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That's quite a wide period,  could be colletts, Hawksworths or mk1s, or a mix! 

It would have varied a lot over the period, you're looking at a brake, a restaurant car then a mix of firsts and thirds.

You might be lucky enough to find some operating notices, otherwise, photos might be the best bet.

11 hours ago, stevel said:

Wow, just discovered this thread and have enjoyed reading through it. I love the railway in the landscape feeling you have captured. Look forward to seeing the progress.

 

Stephen 

2 hours ago, Fishplate said:

 

I've just finished reading through as well👍. Very nice layout.

Thanks to both.  The bridge is coming on well will post details soon

glue blobs

i think you can get transfers - look at the railtec transfer page and search for rivets. Loads come up.

Indent with a sharp point

3d print 

i havent checked, but Lanakshire Models is my go to for buffers.

At Williton on the WSR, the level crossing gates adjacent to the box are worked by hand, not by a gate wheel. Once the gates are across the road, then they are bolted by a lever in the box.

When I first started as a signalman at Williton in 1984, the gates were closed by hand, then locked with a hand lever on the gate. This lever was connected to a long rod that reached back to the hinge post: moving the handle moved the rod that then caused a simple bolthole at the hinge post to rotate to line up to take the bolt that was operated by the lever from the box. I always thought this was a weak mechanism, the rod always seems whippy and if things were worn, then i think the gates could have been opened even when bolted. At some point this mechanism has been replaced with a much neater solution that just locks the catch - the attached pic is fairly self-explanatory.

I presume that the original design was of GWR origin, maybe even B&E as the gate locking dates from the 1870s. 

I also presume that the current mechanism is a more modern BR(W) design?

I cannot now remember when the locking was updated, i guess it was more than 20 years ago. Its a pity as the original was (I presume) a heritage feature that was unceremoniously ripped out and discarded.

Can anyone add any details on GWR or BR(W) manual level crossing gate bolting mechanisms?

I guess this is the old split chassis design. With any problem like this you need to approach it systematically. I would apply power directly to the motor terminals and see if the motor runs. Then work back from there. Its split chassis, so you need to make sure that there is continuity from the wheel treads to the chassis and nothing is bridging the insulation gaps.

I do stir very well between prints as I do think there is some kind of separation of the resin if I let it stand. 

But I don't think resin goes off like that? It isn't an organic compound.

I have recently been printing parts with 4mm scale rivets.  I am finding miniature indentations on the FEP after printing.  I am now thinking that maybe some of the rivets were not supported and ended up floating in the resin. Next print they end up getting compressed by the build plate and indent into the FEP. So filtering resin is my new cause celebre.

20 hours ago, PortLineParker said:

Hi all,

 

Just a quick one; picture a hypothetical section of single track with a 2 platform station along its length. The line passes through the station and a loop is located on the Down side, something like below:

 

If a through train was approaching the station from the left and both lines were clear, would the train still pass into the left hand track to always be on the left hand side or would the through line be set? I was wondering as on the S&D Henstridge was one such station among a few and with trains such as the Pines Express passing through, would they have been given a straight run through or would they have had to slow to negotiate the points at either end of the loop? It sounds silly now I've typed it out but I've been thinking about it for a while and I wonder if anyone knew of any concrete practice or first hand knowledge?

 

Cheers,

 

PLP

Its worth remembering that regular or normal services should only use a properly signalled route. In an emergency then different rules apply, but here I am referring to normal, timetabled services.

For passenger trains, that means that any facing points must be capable of being locked and there should be a signal authorising movement over the points.

If those are not supplied then the answer to your question is yes, the train will always take the left hand route. 

The standard pw hut came with a toolshed that is similar to the one you show. But the ones I have seen do not have windows, so I'm not sure. 

The whole point of these prefabricated buildings was that parts were interchangeable and so all sorts of variations can occur. 

The only thing we can be certain of is that it's a storage shed of some sort.

So after all of the advice on here I am now getting good results.

I now need to print some track bases today need to be perfectly flat on the bottom.

Supports always give me little lumps that need sanding off. 

Would it be ok to print these bases directly on the build plate? 

I will have a go later and see, but wanted any input you guys had. 

Ian

Sounds like that's a lifetime's supply.

2 hours ago, Richard_A said:

I have a kitmaster Midland Pullman to paint, and I realised I have no idea how far a 15ml bottle of railmatch enamel paint will go.

 

I am planning on using an airbrush to apply the paint. 

 

Could someone enlighten me please? 

I don't know but in 40+years of modelling, I have yet to empty a pot.

The real answer is that it depends!  How many coaches, how many coats, how much you thin it.  I think one pot will go quite a long way.  Certainly it will do 3 or 4 coaches.

Hi Rob welcome to the forum. I am in Taunton so not far away.  I have also used MERG kits, mainly SERVO4 and love them.  My track is also hand built, but in 16.5mm.  if you're passing we are always open for visitors.

Ian

thanks.  i had not really given much thought to the fact that a train might have had several kitchens and hence several sets of cooking staff.  No wonder the fares were so high.

New question, when did roof boards stop being carried? Their use looks intermittent anyway?

March 2019

That issue shows a picture of the kit and has an article "How to customise a terraced house kit"

I think thats the one.

Hi guys I don't want this to run away with itself.

This is a model railway that, like most, is imaginary.  I have included features I like, not necessarily all fully plausible. So I have no runrounds because I enjoy the fun of engine release.  I have a gantry by my tunnel because I like signal gantries and tunnels.  I also have an engine shed with 10 engines sat in it doing nothing and a track gauge of 16.5mm....

But I want it to look right.  Plausible (that word again).

This is 1960s on the southern region. It's double track mainline probably West of Salisbury. But it could be East.....but definitely the LSWR main line to the west.

I have a double track branch to an urban terminus that was modernised. Above Tulse Hill was mentioned and, coincidentally, the signalbox is a model of Tulse Hill. So imagine Tulse Hill, 1960s, but transplanted to the west and modelled as an expanded Minories terminus.

Photo below shows the approach. I now want to add some signalling cables that look right.  

I like the concept of the concrete trunking being like a tree and individual wires out.  How many wires run to a point machines such as the one in the foreground? 

I now plan to have a location cabinets on the left, the trunking running towards it, then a cable going under the lines to the point machine.

30 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Platform staters do not need route indicators - they only read to the departure line. 

You would not use the arrival line for shunting. 

 

The gantry would not be appropriate so close to a tunnel mouth.  Sight lines would be much better to a normal post/GPL.

 

A gantry protecting entrance to the tunnel might conceivably be justified, or perhaps even for the platform starters depending on what else might obstruct their visibility from the cab.

 

Some of those points/signals are so close to the box that I suspect the tails might run direct to the relay room of the box.  But a loc might be needed if there was a shortage of space in the box for relays.

 

Not clear why you need two crossovers.  The one nearer the tunnel is needed to depart from the two left most tracks, the facing crossover permits entry to the other platform, but that woud probably only be used as a departure road, empty stock being shunted into it over the trailing crossover.  Or is intended to use bith crsooovers for running round purposes?

 

You don't have engine release facilities at the buffer stop end of platforms, are you using only multiple units, or intending to prvide a station pilot?

Hi Michael thanks for the comments.  All valid points, but the railway is built and I'm not changing it now. It works well and we use shunt release for incoming trains. 

The layout is basically Minories with added sidings.  So the two crossovers are as designed by CJF.

My thread shows progress.

What I am doing now is adding the details such as the point wiring.

Ian

7 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

 

You seem to be lacking GPLs from some of your sidings

 

In the 1960s the final signal on the approach to a platform was red / green not red / yellow, they also need route indicators.

 

You don't have any call on facility which will prevent the attaching of trains in the platforms.

 

Its unlikely that the approach line would be di-directionally signalled - the upper of the two signals on your gantry would in reality be a GPL for shut moves back into the station from the departure line.

Ok. HW on the plan is hand worked so no GPLs needed there. I think I am just missing one on the exit from the top left goods headshunt.

I do actually have RIs on the gantry, just didn't show them on the plan.

I am sure you are right about the shunt signal on the gantry, but I like gantries and wanted to have one! 

I also have RIs on the platform starters.

Here is a site plan.

I imagine concrete troughing out of the signalbox along the southern side of the track towards the gantry and tunnel mouth (there are signals the other end of the tunnel).

Then wiring from the troughing towards each point machine or signal. If so, would these be single wires or multiple cables?

A location cabinet near the gantry

At the tunnel mouth, the wiring emerges from the troughing and goes up onto racking inside the tunnel.

Images such as this appear to show multiple wires emerging from the troughing, maybe they go to other point machines in the vicinity.

My layout is 1960s southern.

The main terminus has been upgraded to colour lights and point machines operated from a local signalbox.  So my assumption is that the semaphores were replaced sometime after WW2 with the colour lights.

I have installed (for better or worse) Peco dummy point machines which I believe are HW1000 types.

I have a signal gantry, platform starters and two gpls. 

My question is what sort of trackside wiring do I need? 

I guess I need to run concrete trunking from the signalbox to each point or signal.  Then thick wires from the trunking to the motor? Photos I have seen show multiple wires crossing the tracks near the paintwork.

Also, location cabinets? Is there one near each installation?

You can see that I don't really know what question to ask.  I guess, what trackside infrastructure (wires, troughing, cabinets) do I need to supply?

Would it help to post a track plan for clarity?

Ian

Needed to complete my set. A Hornby Pullman Brake. This needs to be the more modern type with working lights.

Steelsided.

I think the catalogue numbers are r4430, r4166a, r4487, r4166.

Decent price paid!

Thanks 

You are always going to be challenged in a 5ft length. But I think your second design is much more of a model railway and makes the most of the space.

In reality there would probably have been some sort of headshunt otherwise all goods yard shunting fouls the single line.

The fiddle yard is unusual and turns this into an end to end layout with the possibility of through running. With the four sets of points, you might be able to reconfigure it with two loops instead. I think it looks very promising and great to build skills and experience.

Ian

16 minutes ago, bécasse said:

Yes, a Pullman kitchen served passengers in the same car and in an adjacent car, and yes, Pullman kitchens all provided similar facilities (which could be route specific) so a Third/Second Class kitchen car merely provided Third/Second Class (as opposed to First Class) seating. There were, of course, variations over time as to how fuel for cooking was provided.

Ok thanks. That means that in my train of 8, I have too many parlours and not enough kitchens! I need to sell a parlour and swap for a kitchen then.

Thanks

Just to pick this one up again..

are we saying that a kitchen could serve the diners in its own vehicle and the one in the adjacent parlour car?

And i assume that a "third class kitchen" was not a kitchen of a more lowly standard, but a normal kitchen in which its seating is for third class passengers?