ikcdab

thanks for the photos. I have amended my 3d drawing - see below.

Of anyone wants any of these 3d printed, just let me know.

Ian

Looks good.  How did you do the foliage?

If you put the transfers directly onto the factory finish, then that should be smooth enough to stick. The issue comes with putting them on hand applied matt paint which can be rough. But it also depends on how you wetted them, too much water and the glue washes away.

Anyway, you will probably know by now if the transfers are going to peel off.

Then as to sealing. I guess the answer is to try something and try and match the finish of the loco. If it's a satin finish, then try satin varnish. I generally find that the factory finish is too shiny and I need to use Matt varnish over the whole loco anyway. Especially if you have applied any kind of weathering.

However, if you do need to spray the whole loco, then yes, mask off glazing. Little bits of post-it note work quite well, or just hold a bit of paper a small distance away as you spray, you don't want a hard line, so a bit of feathering is good.

And as to which sprays to use. Definitely go for a modelling spray.  Normal household or hobby sprays chuck out far too much varnish and give you too thick a coat. Modelling sprays (army painter is one) tend to be finer.

Hope that helps.

If you want truly reliable running, then don't rely on rail joiners for continuity.  I guess it's more difficult with setrack, but having a feed for each piece of track is the way to go.

I've just run out of my WWS layering spray. And it's  £12 to £14 for a replacement.

Lots of talk on here about using hairspray instead. So whats the best hairspray to look for? I guess "extra hold" sounds good, but a lot of these boast " no stickiness" which seems the opposite of what we need.

I'm tempted to go into B&M and just buy the cheapest, which I guess will be sticky....

Any suggestions?

The cdu delivers a one-off jolt to throw the solenoid then cuts out.  Whereas a relay requires a constant voltage to keep it latched.  So I'm not sure the two are compatible.

If they are, then you need to measure the cdu output with a multimeter and make sure that is within the parameters of the relay.

i am now using Win11 for the first time on a new HP laptop.

Generally very impressed, BUT the dialogue text in some soiftware is really small. Here is an example from Templot against Rmweb. The dialogue box is almost too small to read. It isn't all programs, Word and excel etc are fione, but Coreldraw has the issue.

It isnt changing the text size as most of the text is OK, it jsut seems to be in some dialogue boxes.

I have screen resolution set to the recomended 3000 x 2000.

Any ideas?

Also I am a massive of fusion360. Its strightforward to use and hugely flexible.

As for videos, Sams Trains has done quite a lot on rolling stock and locomotive production with 3d resin printing.

37 minutes ago, dasatcopthorne said:

Hi.

 

Just found this thread.

 

I gave up looking for a drawing of one of these about 5 years ago.

 

My interest has been rekindled lately.

 

Has anything come to light yet on these please?

 

Dave.

Hi there, i think that if you have read the thread then yopu probably know all there is to know. I also have some pictures that were kindly supplied by someone local. If you want access to these, please contact me by pm and i can let you see them.

i wondered if the tool shed was the same physical size and layout as the lamp hut. I have produced several of these on the 3d printer. It would seem logical for Exmouth to use the same design for both...???

I have mostly ballasted my 4mm OO mainlines with nice, clean granite chip ballast. All fixed with pva.

But now i need to ballast sidings which in reality were ballasted with ash or, if normal ballast had been used, is now severly contaminated.

Today i tried using wood ash out of the log burner, but as soon as i tried to fix it down, it just floated around and looks horrible.

So i am wondering what to use instead. I have seen mention of using das clay (or similar) but im not sure i like the idea of that? I have quite a lot to do.

I have also had the idea of mixing my granite chips 1:1 with something like dry powder tile grout. Brush it all in place then just finely spray with water/pva mix to fix down. I think that might give a contaminated look.

Any other suggestions?

9 minutes ago, phil_sutters said:

Any use to you?

Hi Phil, looks just like a GWR one. Maybe they were a commercial product straight off the shelf....

59 minutes ago, JohnR said:

Would have been a concrete product from Exmouth Junction. Earlier ones would have been rough wooden huts, but the concrete ones proliferated, so it would be easy to justify one, unless you're modelling a specific location which retained one of the earlier wooden ones.

you sure they would have been wooden? I thought that as the oil was a fire risk, they were made of non-combustible material.  Hence the GWR corrugated iron.

And what did the concrete ones look like? There is nothing specific in the Nouveau book. 

Can anyone describe what a Soythern lamp hut (or an LSWR one) looked like or provide a drawing?

I have loads of pics of the corrugated GWR ones, but can't find anything on the southern.

I am assuming a LSWR one might have resembled a GWR one, maybe the southern just used the concrete toolshed that went with the concrete PW hut?

Thanks

Ian

4 hours ago, MartinRS said:

Looking at the evidence, with caveats about vehicle identification here is what the evidence says -

Class 4575                                - post 1926

Beach huts                               - post 1926

Triumph NSD motorcycle      - post 1929

Morgan 3-wheeler                  - post 1932

Three letter regs.                    - post c1933

Ford V8 (1934 model)            - post 1933

Ford V8 (1936 model)            - post 1935

Vauxhall Standard 12-Four  - post 1937

No slotted headlights           - pre 1 September 1939 when blackout regulations came into force

No Pillbox                               - pre 1941

 

All of the above suggest a date range of 1938 to 31 August 1939 as does the preponderance of objects dating from the mid 1920s onwards.

 

I have seen some speculation that the OP's photo could be taken by the Frith photographer. My only observation is that the OP's photo has an aspect ratio of 1:3 and the Frith Collection pictures have an aspect ratio of 1:6, which makes this unlikely.

 

I suspect the many Frith Collection pictures dated c1939 are a result of their researchers going though the same process as is taking place here on RmWeb, but without the speculation unsupported by evidence. As I have mentioned in an earlier post I have experience of dealing with inaccuracies in the Frith Collection, which have always been corrected promptly.

 

That is not the only photo archive I have had involvement in correcting. There are three more and a forth, The Courtauld Collection where I have noticed miss-identified and wrongly dated photographs, but have not contacted them. I also gave the Secretary the the HOC Defence Select Committee a pointer has how to identify where a particular controversial photograph about a faked event was taken which resulted in the MOD phoning me to ask for help. (I declined though I did give the caller pointers in how to proceed. The MOD did use my approach using a different feature in the image). You will almost certainly have seen that photograph. I do know what I'm doing.

thats very helpful.  There is also the camping coach evidence. This was situated on the goods yard siding close to the crossing and I believe would have been visible (ie not hidden behind the train). The camp coach was there during the "summer" only from 1934 and was withdrawn on the outbreak of war. I don't know how summer was defined in camping coach terms, but i guess its not July or August. So maybe a warm day earlier in the season.

1 hour ago, Cwmtwrch said:

At the wrong angle to the camera, horizontally, not vertically. To me, it looks as though it's coming closer to the camera, which contradicts the line of the railway, which is actually going further away.

 

There is no structure behind the railway at that point in the 1928 map linked to earlier, nor in this 1930 map https://maps.nls.uk/view/101461123, nor in the 1962 map https://maps.nls.uk/view/189240228, just someone's back garden or a field, depending on the actual angle of the shot. The photo linked to by MartinRS shows that the railway is behind the building.

Agree. The land slopes up rapidly behind the goods yard and no space for such a building behind the railway.  The building is in front of the railway on the land where the chalets now are. It's possible that it's still there now but altered.

9 minutes ago, phil_sutters said:

Regarding the camping coaches - I wonder if the clerestory at the far end of the train is actually part of it and could be a camping coach. It seems a bit out of line with the neighbouring coach. That may just be the difference between the two designs of coach.

Thats actually an interesting point, but the up home signal visible here stands at the toe of the yard points where the camping coach stood. So the rear coach is far too far away to to be it. in actual fact, the camping coaches were almost up as far as the crossing, lessening the distance the happy campers had to walk to use the station toilets.

1 hour ago, Paul H Vigor said:

A little detail that bothers me a little bit: where is the signal box? At Blue Anchor the signal box is located very close to the level crossing. Is the box missing, or should I go to Specsavers?? 😎

The signalbox is just out of shot to the left. The garden just behind the road sign runs up to the signalbox and the rear of the station building. When i first started at Blue Anchor there was a little shop there called the Floradena stores, again just out of shot to the left.

29 minutes ago, jim.snowdon said:

From a check on the OS 25" map for c.1928*, the only siding, and therefore lodging for any camping coaches, is on the landward side of the running line. Thus, they would, in this picture, be hiding behind the train.

The absence of the pillbox that was built around the outcrop seen in the picture would also date the photograph to pre-1939.

The same map also shows nothing in regard to the tea rooms that are in the background, so all that can be said, in my view, is that the picture was taken some time between 1928 and 1939.

 

* https://maps.nls.uk/view/106020710

Yes your right. I'm not sure why I put what I did, I know the area so well, perhaps too well.

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

Train doesn't look like though. To me it looks more late 1940s. And if you blow it up that is almost certainly G W R on the tank sides and is probably green which would date it as Post War.

 

 

 

Hence my view that it's two pictures superimposed onto each other as the foreground looks earlier.

 

Could it even be a photo of one of the preserved locomotives as that first carriage looks familiar....

 

https://www.wsrht.co.uk/the-heritage-carriages-project/

 

 

Jason

Hi Jason, so you can see my conumdrum.

It definatley is not our sleeping car. I have had this picture for many years, certainly before we finished restoring 9038! and there are two clerestories and several other GWR coaches which we don't own!

I really can't believe its a faked picture. I've had it far too long - my ownership predates photoshop and it would be a very clever photoartist who could manipulate that manually!

so it remains a conumdrum.  I am pretty certain its pre-war because of the lack of the pillbox.

I don't know what time of year the camping coaches were despatched from Swindon to their locations, so maybe its (say) 1935 May bank holiday and the coaches have not yet arrived for the season!

1 hour ago, Jeremy Cumberland said:

A very similar photograph on the Francis Frith website is dated c. 1939:

https://www.francisfrith.com/blue-anchor/blue-anchor-the-promenade-c1939_b124005

 

There are several other photographs on the site almost certainly taken at the same time: https://www.francisfrith.com/blue-anchor/photos

Thanks thats well spotted. I think i can see a camping coach just about in the first Frith picture which is not evident in my picture. I agree that the coastal formation is very similar, which suggests that my picture is also pre-war.

The pillbox is visible here: https://www.francisfrith.com/blue-anchor/blue-anchor-the-bay-c1955_b124023 which is an entirely different shape. Obviously that was built in 1940.

If so, then my pic has to be around 1934, based on the car evidence of @petethemole

1 hour ago, petethemole said:

I only see two cars with the slightly rounded body style that came in c1934, from very few makers, so I would suggest 1934-5, obviously summer.  Is it possible the prewar location of the camping coaches is obscured by the train? 

no because the running line goes behind the camping coaches

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

Is the photo a mashup/composite made to sell to the "Wish you were here?" picture postcard market?

 

The part where the train is doesn't seem to match the foreground.....

 

 

Jason

I dont think so. I know this area very well indeed and it looks genuine to me.

15 minutes ago, Paul H Vigor said:

1930s cars tended to be quite long lived. Later 1940s??

The problem with that is the lack of the pillbox. If you google "Blue Anchor beach pillbox" you will see some images of it. whilst the outcrop on the RH side of the image i posted superficially resembles the pillbox, it isnt one, it really is just an outcrop of rock omn which the pillbox was built.

Hi all, i am looking to roughly date the attached picture. This is Blue Anchor on the Minehead branch.

There is a pre-Worboys level crossing sign - i think these were standardised in 1934 but had been around before then.

The prairie tank appears to have GWR on the tank sides, though it is very indistinct and i might be seeing a new BR logo.

There are no camping coaches in the siding - they were withdrawn in 1939 and didn't resume here until 1952. They had been first located there in 1934, so the period 1934 to 1939 and post 1952 are ruled out.

The number of cars suggests that this isn't during war-time petrol rationing.

During the war, a pillbox was built on the sea front which i believe would have been visible in this picture, so that suggests pre-war. The beach huts appeared in 1927.

The leading and rear coaches are clerestories.

All this is conflicting. If its pre-war, then it has to be between 1927 and 1934.

If its post war, then its between 1945 and 1952.

I know nothing about old cars, there may be some evidence there.

All detective comments welcomed!

Ian