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Thanks, Kal - that makes sense. I'll sleep at last.

Jaz: The wagon looks excellent! Some dry brushing to highlight the detail is all that seems necessary.

...Oh But I could swear that - particularly under More Reply Options - it sometimes isn't. Which is why I'm moaning, and assuming a problem. Definitely losing the plot.

I just LOVE Google images! There are many reasons (YouTube) why I hate Google, but they are almost redeemed by their images. I used it in a search for "corrugated asbestos roofing" and there were pages of the things - all I needed for accuracy. (But I'm pissed of that the "editing"(?) bar is always greyed out to me these days. :( )

I think, given that Continental Europe, plus the US are HO, the bastard scale that is UK OO is well served under the circumstances. I know there are pockets of OO elsewhere - *Australia for example - but we do OK. I like Preiser and use them happily within the constraints outlined by Jaz and Sasquatch, so it's fine in that regard. Tony. *It's great that such as yourself model OO in the States, but you must be in a substantial minority.

That would be a brilliant choice - and just the sort of building which many would find unattractive or otherwise uninteresting. I particularly like the partial flint, something you never see in my part of the N.E. UK It would be a real challenge for it not to look like a dogs breakfast, the sort of thing that might attract Peterkern23. Wills flint would be the temptation for those panels but it would be fascinating to see an original approach. I have myself in a position where I'm forced to consider the time-factor if I'm to fill that space; with you being less so, it might be perfect. Tony.

Don't tell a soul but I've a Hornby Great Western Castle. It looks so elegant pulling a train of Pullmans with an observation car.

If you cant stretch it as far as the mid-sixties, A4s were appearing all over the place on Enthusiast Specials; also Castles and Southern pacifics, the names of which are not within my lexicon. (I had to think very hard to spell Castle ;-)) Tony.

On your layout I agree, Kal. Given the width you could always put the smaller figures to the rear and avoid them being next to size-measuring objects. If I seem to be qualifying my agreement, somewhat, it's because it's not just height but proportionality that dictates the visual message from a person. In other words, be aware and act accordingly. But I'm sure you've thought this already. Tony. PS: I'm not being funny I just can't wait to try new familiarity with the keyboard (ironic smilie) Hurrah! I'm PC-savvy all of a sudden! Must do it again!

I tried to edit but it told me my post was empty... "crying with frustration emoticon" ~ the mooning one worked for me :-) LMBO

That's a disappointing attitude, Jaz. Stomach acids, bowel enzymes, etc., might have a delightfully subtle weathering effect achieved in no other way. You might be glad to put all your fences through the dog. edit: "jester freakin emoticon!!!"

- of course it did! - I wasn't thinking. Actually, it's a crucial, dimensional piece that can't be done without.(?)

It is good, Jaz, I had one which was going to repaint for a 50s NE branch terminus. It would have compromised my time with the main layout so I got rid. I don't keep anything that doesn't pay its way.

Sorry for the delay - just come off nightshift (@ 13.00 hours!) Thanks for that. I didn't have a decent camera till just lately, and I don't have a "smartphone" (mine just makes phone-calls and texts - how dumb is that - for a telephone!) In any event the baseboards are a mess, consisting off add-ons and widenings that are a nightmare for point-motors, etc. As I've said to Jaz - I (like yourself) plan to build up a head of steam before posting a Topic. I think it's sad that some threads start with great promise then stall due to further inaction. I must avoid this like the plague. My domestic life tends to consist of many small emergencies plus a staggering workload. When you have to do EVERYTHING* for another human being, plus all else in ordinary domestic terms, it can be a daily nightmare; I must be very careful with my planning and organisation or it could end very badly.* Tony. *I do get tired of making these excuses over and over again, but Carers, nationally, are treated appallingly, saving the government billions because 'gov knows we'll never let our people down. Statistically, Carers often pop their clogs before their charges; also, you lose not just one wage-packet but two. And Local Authority Carers are ***NOT free; if you are daft enough to own your own home, they cost £15.00 per hour and - if the individual needs to be hoisted as Joan does - they come in pairs due to Health and Safety rules. Twenty-four hours care is £300.00 - £2,000 for a weeks private care. If I have to go into hospital - again - we're in trouble. Sorry for taking advantage with the rant, Jaz & Kal. Outside my own thread that's the END** of the subject. If anyone has questions please pm me, not clutter AV, and I'll reply when I'm able. ** Again, the editing area is greyed out so I can't use emoticons, etc., hence the SHOUTS! "Jester emoticon" *** People who are terminally ill are the exception.

The Green and Cream would have taken place some time after Grouping (1924? - I'm hopeless on dates)After the war would come the *mid-blue and cream/white if the region was North Eastern. I don't know your area at all I'm afraid but a search for post-grouping areas shouldn't be hard. Where it gets complex is if it is station where regions meet and share... *It was almost mid-fifties when my local station - Monkseaton - was painted - and I hated it! Thanks for your response on my layout vid - I really wanted you to see it so you would know where I'm coming from. Jaz posting it in a YouTube window was very kind and supportive. Tony.

Jaz: I appreciate that very much and I've no doubt I'll take you up on it! I'm not a total technophobe but I'm close. I'm going to concentrate on completing some structures now, to build up a head of steam ahead(!) of a thread. When I've something I think is passable you'll be the first to know. It's done loads for my confidence getting peoples reactions/support. Working in a solitary fashion I haven't realised how much I really needed feedback. I'll say one thing: facing the "nightshift" I've never felt so good in myself for a very long time. The whole Carer thing, going on year upon year, can be soul-destroying; modelling is my escape, refuge, etc. 'Trouble is, watching the trains go by can be hypnotising and nowt gets done! I've actually made a good start today. It'll not be quick but I've the impetus now. I'd grown stale before. Thanks again, Tony.

You're very kind, both of you. I've a new camera to get my head round and my main concern is decent close-ups with the standard lens. It seems OK till you get to things like detail on people, having said which blow-ups of the closest focus shots seem quite good so we'll see. It was you guys that made me look at RTP buildings as having greater possibilities. I'm re-painting some Hornby terraces to suit my grotty taste, so I might well take you up on your kind offer. I'm a bit nervous of personal threads due to the time factor I'm always whinging about. I always feel sorry when Topics start promisingly then die for long periods - I don't want that to happen, so I'm trying to build up a back-log of stuff. I was nervous about showing the layout in its current state so I really appreciate your support. You'll have seen what I meant about rakes. The ten-coach Mk1 rake, and the eight coach mix of Gresleys and Thompsons are fairly permanent, only restaurant and buffets altered, plus extra full-brakes for parcels. The up mineral train of empties will get longer - I can't recall how many there are just now - and a down mineral of full loads needs to be built. Changing locos is the fun thing I never tire of. It's essentially a "Watch the Trains go By" layout, with shunting in the goods yard and coaling, etc in the shed. It's a plan I'd contrived over years regarding what would satisfy me and it's pretty much OK in that regard. It's just knowing exactly what you want... Otherwise, it's nose to the grindstone. Forgive me if I post/comment less than usual. I really enjoy my browsing but I must develop some self-discipline regarding actual results and not just words! Tony

That's exactly what I've done, Kal, with 6, 8 and 10 coach passenger rakes. Also mineral and van sets. It's the only way to work unless you have massive space - and cash - for ladder fiddle-yards such as can be seen on Peterborough North. My layout is all about a large shed to hold locos for fitting on these existing rakes. There's a video of it on Peterkern23's Corrugated roofing thread. Tony.

It's still bloody hard for me time wise too, but I'm pushing the barriers. 'Came across a great guy and his two building threads: http://www.rmweb.co....g/?do=findComment&comment=1299402 http://www.rmweb.co....-2?do=findComment&comment=1330743 You should have a look. He's inspired me to take a similar approach, not in methods - I'd never do it - but in approaching my layout structures in separate threads, then uniting them - little bites I can manage better. Tony.

I can say little regarding this first class model that others haven't already said. I do know what you mean about a small project giving you satisfaction way beyond its apparent relevance within the layout as a whole. What you are doing could be described as radical - even anarchistic - compared to the traditional layout, but it does allow you to exercise your stunning eye for detail and the choice of how and where to go forward that is very special. Tony.

Time for nightly chores, and - as usual - another day's gone by and I've done #### all!

Do As Sasquatch said. Get some Wills stuff and get scratch-building big-style. A good book is: "PLASTIC STRUCTURE KITS - Making the Most of the Wills Scenic Series" by Iain Rice. Wild Swan. :-D The Gravetts tree book and the above and you'll quickly be where you deserve to be IMHO Tony. edit: I just checked Peterkern 23 http://www.rmweb.co....g/#entry1299402 (last post on Foggie's thread) and he is bloody good! - and I'm not easily impressed structures-wise)

Em... I think the ladies would have some problems with the flap-thingy (Doesn't bare thinking about )

That's a really nice set off pictures, Jaz. The lighting and composition work well. I took my specs off to blur them a little and they look like a set of water-colours. Tony.

DANGER Bull Ox Warning! ;-) I rated most of the Peterborough photos "informative and useful" because the ARE. More than that, they are vital, vital for the future of railway-modelling and vital for recording social history. We all love AV because - when you get your conservative "railway modeller's" head round it - it's not just fun it is, as has been mentioned elsewhere(?) anarchistic: J and K's whole outlook is at odds with *most other railway models on RMweb*; it's a journey through different themes and locations derived from TV, Film, Conservation and Literature; so much so that people who come to it are sometimes confused into assessing its period, or dismissing it as a childlike (in a bad sense) "anything goes" piece of stuff. The Peterborough model - assuming its build - takes the whole ensemble a stage further, uniting the Entertaining with the Contemporary. Despite the apparent - sometimes OT - content, AV is, forgive me - a serious piece of work, one that unites social outlooks in a way that few, if any, other layouts come close to. Back to Peterborough: Whilst there are many who model the contemporary scene, most are limited by space, to MPDs or more minimal layouts. Club layouts might be the exception, but how many model the contemporary as in NOW? I'm sure there are some but that's not my point. It is the essential unity between fact and fiction, brought together with DCC control, to really Control - not just make noises and lights. I can foresee a time when Jaz or Kal press the Action Button and the whole thing - the contemporary and the conservation/fictional - comes to hands-off life (Faller Roads?, Fairgrounds? Movie Sets - hell, model helicopters are become small enough for even them to be controllable) - anything is possible given their broad outlook. But from the purist RMweb viewpoint it will be Peterborough that sells the whole deal to those who were formerly unconvinced. There is nothing wrong with the nostalgic or Museum outlook of most railway modellers, except that - and this IS serious! - many are modelling Models! I'm guilty of it. No less a modeller than Pete Waterman has warned against it. Such as myself pick scenes and scenarios from others and incorporate them into our nostalgic view whilst being careless of fact, and this - in a way - is far more damaging to the hobby/obsession than the anarchistic viewpoint that challenges it all. People, particularly youngsters, who attend exhibitions, might be so impressed by the technical/scenic quality that they Take it as Fact, promulgating far more deadly (because it's insidious) images of the past to take forward into the future, spreading myth in its less wholesome aspect. AV is honest. And, IM not so HO, it provides an exciting outlook that newcomers who are dissuaded by the often dryer, pathologically On topic approach of others, are not enthralled by... © Anthony Syron-King 01.02.14 - DUCK! PS: I knocked this out when her Ladyship was on her throne. God knows I needed something to entertain myself while I awaited the likely outcome. Now I'll press the Post button.