Porcy Mane

7 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

Perhaps the best way to represent copper pipes is to use real copper...

"Evening all".

15 minutes ago, Axlebox said:

I've not seen the shows cake list yet

Mr G can (and will) have his cake and eat it.  I on the other hand want meat vans; lots of Airfix meat vans.

Only for the Tyneside Guinness traffic you understand.

But I will have a bacon & egg sarnie (broken yoke) whilst watching Dunnies picture show. 

Now here's a thought...

What did the load say to its lowmac...   wait for it...

...   said in a dalekie sort of accent,  "Excavate... Excavate..."

5 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

Are the buffer beams on this model metal, then?

I pushed the Hornby hook out from the rear. Detail wise, depending on how far you want to go the Pivot plate will need building back up to be more prototypical.

This is an Ambis hook (1mm square tail) which is a good fit. I might use up one of my rapidly diminishing supply of Exactoscale screw links on here...   because she's worth it.

To me, the wheels are a bit of an enigma. As alluded to earlier the typical bevel of the Stanier wheel is present but it isn't very distinct. I'm puzzled why Hornby have decided to give the wheel centre a prominent raised boss more reminiscent of an inside cylinder driver wheel rather than the flush face of the prototype. More bafflement with the bogie wheel. Should have a raised centre but it's almost flush?

They manged to get those bits correct on the latest 9F. See below. 9F to the left, 2MT too the right.

P

2 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

(which was intended for the international transport of new cars)

"Which were used".   Specially importing Fiats direct from inside their "Italian Job" factory in Turin.

4 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

Tri-ang produced a remarkably accurate model of the TIERWAG

Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.

Although I suppose it depends on how one defines accuracy.

2 hours ago, Axlebox said:

...you missed out the bit where I drink some tea...

… probably bought by me.

… then you take me to the pub.  (and that's all of 25 yards from the venue).

Funny looking Lowmacs …

2 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said:

But will he get anything done?

Yak, yak, rabbit, rabbit... apply solvent... yak, yak, rabbit, rabbit... tell a  story... yak, yak, rabbit, rabbit... another tale... yak, yak, rabbit, rabbit... apply rivet... yak, yak, rabbit, rabbit...  and repeat...

3 minutes ago, Axlebox said:

I'll be there having fun with some wagons - probably some airfix lowmacs

Oh no....

1 hour ago, adb968008 said:

its in a different location, ahead of the driver. I remain to be convinced on the gauge glasses though, they could be better.

... and like the 9F, no representation of the cladding join and associated screws down the apex of the boiler. Easily rectified but why should we need to that?

4 minutes ago, atom3624 said:

Couple of comments:

Your comments/questions are all answered on the previous page.

4 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

I wonder what the axle diameter is, in case it was possible to substitute the Hornby wheelsets for Gibsons?

 

I would be happy to convert to P4 on that basis, the lack of springing or compensation with a heavy body is not necessarily a problem for me.

I don't have one  (probably Monday) as yet so am probably a little premature but would guess that the axles will be 2mm. I'd be pretty chuffed if that's the case as, for me, it opens a few options for P4 conversion. I'm rather glad that Hornby have stuck with the plastic wheel centres. Have to get rid of those tooling lines along the the boiler first.

9F to sort out first fifth though. That's after sorting out the tooling lines along a batch of Q6.  (or should that be Q6's?).

21 minutes ago, zr2498 said:

Hi @Porcy Mane I have had a look at the Yoochoos web site, but only see Standard and Crosti 9F but no Tyne Dock?

Fourth option  (bottom) on the Std. 9F page.

Try this link.

https://www.youchoos.co.uk/Index-Shop.php?L1=Project&Item=BR9F&VARIANT=IMDRIVEMS16BitTYNEDOCK

Usual disclaimer...

Yoochoos have a Tyne Docker on its books if you happy with Zimo. Two different "pumps" as part of the project but whether they sound like the double Westi pumps is anybody's s guess.

Imagine it as an S160 pump x 2 and on steroids. Until the reservoir was fully charged.

1 hour ago, D5158 said:

Production photographs of the loco do not have the smoke box door shedplate on 92097 ???.

That would be correct after its working over & brush up early in 1965 with the warning flashes in those positions.

The painted door straps and dart surround but still no shed plate, came a little later.

1 hour ago, zr2498 said:

Are you suggesting it's best to normally keep it bypassed, and only use it to measure values if a problem already exists (such as fluctuating current draw with faulty motor)?

It would be interesting to know a bit more detail about the problems the meter can cause.

I'm not suggesting anything. Just reporting that Accurascale and I had similar problems with the Alpha meter installed. My problems occurred when programming using decoder pro interfaced via both sprog and DCC-EX.  It also happened when programming direct using a powercab. I cannot comment on any other systems

Problems were intermittent but regular which included loco identities not being recognised or reported incorrectly and CV's changes not being correctly written to decoder.

All reverted to normal with the Alpha Meter removed from the track bus.

Although purely personal being used to 3 or 4 decimal place current displays,  I couldn't get on with the alpha meter having only a two decimal place display.

On 20/09/2023 at 21:37, McC said:

If you’ve an Alpha Meter in the track circuit it’s something we’ve seen issues with programming and stay alive and performance too.

A local retailer offered me an Alpha meter at a very knock down price* a couple of years ago. My plan was to use it on my programming track. Long story short, when installed it made DCC programming very unreliable. This was mainly using Zimo decoders but it looks like Accurascale have confirmed the same effects with ESU. A meter when used on DC only gives readings in one direction only. Who needs that hassle? I soon went back to using my calibrated Flukes.

Those green 37's are looking tasty.

*It had sat on his shelves for too long so he gave it away.

3 hours ago, Fireline said:

Probably. Have you asked them, or are you expecting someone else to do it for you?

Oh dearie me.

You only had to read up thread by a few posts for reasons prospective Hornby customers/re-sellers/media  don't have any confidence in getting a straight answer when communicating directly with Margate.

Marvellous if 78010 turns up at Beck Hole next week but past if past experiences  are anything to go off  (again, see up thread for examples) you can see why people are a little dubious.  No fault of TMC as they just go of the info given to them.

Top banana pic of a 1/108. Could almost have been custom made for A'scale.

23 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

How do you know they've paid out that money and when?  etc., etc.

Put far more succinctly than I ever could Mike.

So back to the 2MT... Strangely, I'm still looking forward to getting mine and sticking it on the front of a 1963 St. Helens to Stella Gill pick up.

14 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

There are several aspects of this though.

Agree with all of that but why the communication errors. "Goods are here" then are not.

Rapido were very up front about the delays to one of their products when a  pallet accidentally fell of the back of wagon. Their honesty and upfront attitude probably garnered them a great deal of goodwill. Something you really can't put a value too.

36 minutes ago, PeterStiles said:

Because they have multiple suppliers in different parts of China, subject to different delays...

As do other other manufacturers.

40 minutes ago, PeterStiles said:

But if you _know_ malicious intent I suggest you take it to the authorities because it's rather frowned upon in some circles.

Eh?

It would appear you're trying to turn a mole hill into a mountain whilst simultaneously tying multiple knots in your underpants.

38 minutes ago, PeterStiles said:

I think my sympathy lies with a company that's footed £100,000s for some product a couple of years ago that they've not yet made a penny from.

If Hornby delivered by the dates (or near to) the date they have stated on numerous occasions in the past they would have now recouped that investment and probably been in profit on that project.

They are a manufacturer. They are in the business of risking the investing of monies to make a profit. Some of that profit comes from supplying retailers via contract.

Retailers make their profit from the selling goods supplied by the manufactures and realising a mark up. Less risky for them due to buying on credit and to some degree being able  to plan and budget ahead because they know of approximate delivery dates amongst other factors.

Some of Hornby's recent "investments" have been incredibly poor probably realising very little profit but more importantly being for them a complete PR disaster along with loosing themselves a large amount of goodwill. Think about both Titgate & Lady and Lamp. Before that there was the Olympic games paraphernalia fiasco.

You seem to have the impression that I have some sort of gripe against Hornby. I don't. Like many, Tri-ang Hornby was the railway manufacture during my formative years and without them probably would never have developed an interest in railways (both prototype and model) along with industrial history. Being a modeller I could have quite happily built a 2MT but decided to support Hornby and buy their product, because, A) it looks to be an excellent model and B) I still feel a bit of nostalgia towards Hornby as a brand.

I talk to three model shop owners, two on a regular basis and one not so regular. One area were they share commonality is the frustrations they feel when trying to deal with the "new" Hornby  (and see subsequent posts whilst I've been typing this). They know they make a good product, they have prospective customers wanting to buy that product but cannot give assurances that they will ever receive an allocation. 

Those frustrations probably turn to exasperation when retailers are informed "product X"  will be delivered to you on such and such a date only to be told on delivery day, well actually... once again you know the rest.

You wonder why I have sympathy with retailers!

20 minutes ago, PeterStiles said:

Or, maybe, possibly, Hornby are still suffering from this particularly unhelpful supply chain mucking *them* around. 

Could be, but answer me this. Why tell retailers a product has arrived at the UK distribution centre only to back track a few days later?  and how is it that some  other Hornby products seem to leap frog the supply change problems?

Yes the majority of other manufactures have suffered delays in the supply chain for reasons well documented elsewhere but for whatever reason, Hornby seem to suffer more that most with the 2MT being a particularly good example. Where other manufactures tend to offer up reasons for delays Hornby for some time have been giving delivery dates, then as that date approaches...  well you know the rest.

My sympathies lie with Hornby retailers.

9 hours ago, Suzy Sulzer said:

link says 31st OCTOBER 2023  release date

It does now but it said 31st August two days ago. That changed to "Out of stock but can be ordered for delivery in seven to fourteen days" and in the last 24 hours it has changed yet again.  The Hornby 2MT is the first Loco I have ever pre-ordered. That was because my local retailer did not reach Hornby's tier one standard despite meeting all of their criteria and to his credit he advised me to pre order from a tier one retailer. This was when the 2MT was first announced, however long ago that was.

2MT was duly ordered from Cheltenham Model Centre and again, all credit to them,  each time Hornby upped the 2MT retail price CMC have contacted me, giving me the option to buy or cancel. A week ago they rang me to confirm payment details as Hornby had informed them that distribution to retailers was imminent.

Conclude from that what you will, but it seems like Hornby are still messing their retailers about. Just my opinion but it would appear that Hornby need to be looking & learning at the way the new  kids on the block interact with their retailers & customers.

P

11 minutes ago, AY Mod said:

we could do with miniclays

 What's this?

The Gaffa wish listing?

3 minutes ago, MartinWales said:

Wonder if they're EM/P4 compatible?

Every picture tells a story.