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1 hour ago, Miss Prism said:

Here's the real 832, at Addison Road I think. The date is problematic, because the boiler fittings are still polished, but the loco has aquired a riveted smokebox wrapper. I can't detect any lining. I guess 1912-18.

 

(I was sure I had posted this pic previously in another thread, which discussed the date, but I can't find it after a brief look through my attachments.)

 

 

Do we know if 832 remained with an open cab and round top boiler?

With the polished fittings wouldn’t this likely to be more typical of the finish of a locomotive pre WW1as a general rule?
 

I understand the riveted smoke box wrapper to normally be about 1920s-

1 hour ago, Mikkel said:

First George Armstrong design in RTR, I think.

Looks well pleased.

 

 

Wouldn’t the 517 tank also be the first GW tank depicted in a pre-grouping build and livery?

As per an email from Rapido these are now in stock....and they want the balance paying. 

16 hours ago, Andy Keane said:

So that corrugated shed at Watlington was for a steam rail motor?

Did SRMs ever run on the Watlington branch?

On 09/03/2024 at 12:02, Star-rider said:

 

 

I’d considered getting a few wagons marked up for the Earl of Dudley’s railway which ran close to where I live, but then reflected that they may have simply ran between the Earl’s Baggeridge Colliery and his Round Oak Steelworks and not on the wider network.

 

Perhaps I need to get down the local library…

The “ED” wagons of course also ran down to Ashwood basin and the coal was transferred by canal to at one time to  Stourport for the power station.

I believe the ED wagons just ran on the Earl’s Pensnett railway which eventually consisted of 40 miles of track, serving his various collieries and industries over the course of its life.

For any other outward shipment of coal I think I saw GW wagons in photos at Baggeridge,  the Earl of Dudley being a shareholder of the GW supplying them with steel amongst other things.

https://www.blackcountryhistory.org/collections/getrecord/GB145_p_1770

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Dudley's_Railway

@RapidoCorbs will the coupling rods/motions etc. on the 44XX be all metal?   

Having recently examined your 15xx tank I see a number of the smaller linkages appear to be plastic.

13 hours ago, Harlequin said:

 

Lewis says that 'it seems' the prize monogram was used on SRMs 61-72 and 73-80 when first built.

 

So the fully lined, chocolate and cream No. 61 is probably historically correct (black doors excepted) and an interesting variation for the modeller - although, as you say, it was short lived in that livery.

 

SRM 61 is correctly shown with the prize monogram (introduced 1906)*.

It was part of order 1100 dated 13/06/1905

*See page 84 for photo in John Lewis’s book.

11 hours ago, GWR1890-1908 said:

Yes Harlequin. I would have thought normal livery would been a better seller. A tricky process removing the logo to replace with another, not knowing if you are going to damage the model. I am not sure if there was a survey done prior to commencement, but it may have helped.

Surely pre 1908 none of the SRM in chocolate and cream with different insignia were that long lived.

Weren’t the diagram Os (53-58, 61-72) ordered in 1905  and the diagram Rs (84-99) not built before1907?

SRM 61 was recorded new in a photograph  sporting the prize monogram.
 

The SRM then started to be repainted into the all brown from 1908 due to difficulties keeping them clean.

The 1922 chocolate and cream would be popular.

I am surprised that Kernow have some of the long lived crimson lake versions still for sale.

It’s difficult to say how popular the 1906 prize monogram livery was but it has sold out at Kernow.

3 minutes ago, JSpencer said:

That should make a great April fools advert.

 

"We are proud to present our all new class 31, complete with ring field motor, traction tyres and tender drive..."

No you don't need a tender for this one 😀

8 minutes ago, The Badger said:

I have the lined version (4321), a nice model undoubtedly but as someone earlier pointed out, the crest on the tender is far too dark and the lining seems a bit indistinct - I would even go as far to say that Oxford did a better job with the livery on their Dean Goods a few years back. Given their excellent attempt at SECR green on the D class, it's a bit frustrating that they can't seem to get something so relatively simple as GWR lined green right.

I guess it’s down to opinions.

I agree about the garter crest being dark and slightly indistinct.

However regarding the lining I personally prefer that Dapol have done it so subtly. To me it appears more realistic.

I don’t want to go back to the days when GWR and BR OO models had the lining so bold that it was still distinct at 20 feet away.

As for the GW green on Dapol’s new 43xx I think it’s an improvement on their previous rendition.

9 hours ago, mikesndbs said:

Well I'm hacked off! Sent my faulty model back on Sunday 4th Feb, it was delivered at 13:09 on the 7th and still my order status has not been updated and no sign of the replacement.

Had an email saying there was staff sickness etc but really?

Or am I just being too impatient for me expensive one coach wonder?

 

If they have told you they have staff sickness then matters have occurred outside their control.

So yes….

Hopefully the Dapol version of crimson lake will match the Kernow steam rail motors.

5 hours ago, Edwardian said:

 

Why an Edwardian one of course!

 

The lined chocolate and cream with the prize monogram

Good choice I am pleased with mine.

A first time in r-t-r in this particular livery.
I’d just wondered if you might have been tempted by the other “Edwardian” the 1908 all over brown.

50 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

I was out today, so was pleased to come back just now to a very welcome email sent earlier in the day by those tireless folks at Kernow saying "Your order has been shipped". 🙂

 

 

 

 

Which version have you ordered?
Hope it arrives safely !
 

R

Surely it must be time for a GW Bulldog.

Not a complaint.
 

If you get an email APC  it might not be spam as I first thought, it could be your Kernow orders!

(The initial email from APC had no indication who the parcel was from and had a link ).

I had no emails from Kernow MRC (yes I checked my junk mail) so was suspicious.

Early this morning I had two emails from APC confirming it was from Kernow MRC

Anyway by 10:15  today I was the proud owner of two SRM - 85 & 61
 

@Graham_Muz please can you pass on my thanks and praise to all involved with this project. It is truly superb and well worth the wait.

I was one of those who ordered many years ago, 2016 I think, and had the subsequent request to re-order which I did by phone.

For this reason my re-order didn’t show on my orders on the KMRC website.

21 hours ago, The Black Hat said:

Just seen this so joining in the fun... 

Obvious ones missing from the ranges available to me are;

J21
B16 (all types)
Q7
BR Standard 3MT
A8

New tooled 8F, A3, A4

 

Anything please, but no more A3 and A4s.

21 minutes ago, Limpley Stoker said:

Perhaps gents hats were optional on open trams as they were on a charabanc.  The gent in the closed tram prefers his own company !
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or on omnibuses see link below?

https://www.alamy.com/horse-drawn-omnibus-on-a-north-london-routing-about-1902-image234301466.html

Would a trip on a SRM be considered more akin to travelling on an omnibus or tram?

Plenty of gentleman wearing hats here on the omnibus , albeit in 1902, when I thought the rules might be stricter.

https://www.alamy.com/horse-drawn-omnibus-on-a-north-london-routing-about-1902-image234301466.html

The Kinver Light Railway about 1901

https://distinctlyblackcountry.wordpress.com/reviews/route-to-inland-resort/

On the tram trailer below (circa 1890) is that a gent wearing a hat (L lower deck).

http://www.tramwaybadgesandbuttons.com/page148/page149/styled-42/page471.html

Bachmann did their own version of a Collett 4000 gallon tender for some of their Hall class.

Assume you’ve got the usual books on this branchline, by local author Ned Williams?

Richard

On 23/12/2023 at 08:16, 72degrees said:

 

[1] The 1914 plan I have shows the goods yard at Wombourn with two sidings, whereas most photos available show only one. Plus the signal box ended up larger and in a slightly different location. So I'm doing my own 'scenario' with two sidings for more interest and box as shown in 50's photos so I can attempt to model it. The plan includes detailed drawings of the station building and waiting room so I will stick with those. 

 

Wasn’t a lot of the track lifted on this branch and used in France (WW1)?
 

I’d understood it was one of the last branch lines built and its opening was delayed because of the above, it had a very short lived passenger service.

It would have been interesting if the proposed junction on this line had been built to link with the Severn Valley Railway.

It’s fortunate that two station buildings still survive as well as a good shed at Tettenhall, sundry bridges, due to it being a public walkway and cycle path.

Small Great Western pre-grouping tanks suitable for branch lines  - saddle tank 2021/850, Metro, 517, rather than the much heavier 57xx and 2721classes.

Outside frame Great Western locos Bulldog  or Duke or 3521 4-4-0 tender locos

13 hours ago, Edwardian said:

 

No, Rob, no etched plates.

 

In an ideal world I'd add a number plate for one of the earliest of the class, and change the buffers to suit a prototype of my choosing. 

 

Nor do they come with the alternative cowcatchers. The only cow catchers are the ones fitted, with big gaps in them for the tension lock couplings.

 

If there is anyone out there with one of the J70s who uses tension locks and has a spare set of the alternative cowcatchers, I'd be grateful to hear from them!

 

 

The instruction booklet implies that alternative cowcatcher would be provided.

So maybe an oversight on Rapido’s part or a late change of plan?

22 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

 

Bob Shephard, who was Mr Precision up to 2004, was firmly of the opinion that the paint was the same, and it was only the additional varnish coats in earlier years that made it look darker. See http://www.gwr.org.uk/liverieslococolour.html

 

I'm not taking sides on this issue.

 

That’s interesting it explains why Precision Paints (and other paint manufacturers) sold two different shades of GW green- pre & post 1928.

In a similar way to coaches the varnish darkening the pale upper panels to make them appear cream in earlier days.

I guess the  application of extra coats of varnish would also cause a further darkening as the varnish aged.

I recall reading in a book(s) that at a later tale, at I think at an absorbed company loco depot they complained about the poor Swindon paint specification.

The paint was specified to be thinned that much that the green boiler turned almost black on its first firing.

1 hour ago, RapidoCorbs said:

 

Sorry I missed your message. I'll need to check our samples ref. colour as I am working from home today and not got my swatch box to hand. I think it may be that the eras represented by the tooling didn't see a change in green shade. But at the moment the plan is for them all to be the same green with just the decoration changing.

Chimney and safety valve - yes copper cap and safety valve cover painted brass colour on 4400 but black and green respectively on 4408. 

@RapidoCorbs sorry not necessary I only tagged you today ( you shouldn’t be pestered weekends).

Thank you for the reply, much appreciated.

The issue of GW paint is contentious some authorities state the GW green pre 1928 was a darker shade, including the paint manufacturers- Precision, Railmatch and Phoenix.