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3 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

Just superb, many thanks. Full marks on the sprung centre axle.

 

Now, my next P4 conversion-related question is this - what is the diameter of the crank pin holes in the coupling rods, please? (do you actually have any way of establishing that, without the undesirable recourse of dismantling one of your samples?!).

 

I'm on holiday myself now but I'll try and remember to check on the CAD when I get back. 

James has been test fitting DCC chips today, all is looking good. 

Remember the pre-order discount ends on Monday!

Now that James is back from his holiday, he's taking his turn to assess the decorated samples and has put together a video showing features of each of the liveries:

1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

AIUI the WD specification for the Austerity 0-6-0ST included such a requirement in relation to its 2-8-0 and 2-10-0 brethren, as did BR's for the 08 vs. Class 47.

I believe the quoted tractive effort of a Victory was slightly less than an Austerity, but in the same general area.

Personally I'm going to keep one of each, but I guess those are special circumstances.

For those who are on the fence we do expect to have some stock of all liveries once the pre-order allocation is cleared (although maroon is starting to look a bit low), however you will only be able to take advantage of the pre-order discount until Monday 9th August!

The decorated sample models are here...

Back in April we showed you the first Engineering Prototype of our RTR Kerr, Stuart "Victory" in 00 gauge. Since then the factory has been working on our feedback and preparing new samples with the final livery decoration for sign off. We're excited to show these to you today, and we hope you agree that they're looking great!

We made a couple of minor cosmetic changes to the body after the EP (let us know if you spot them!) but most tweaks have been in the chassis and mechanism to ensure optimal performance of the production models. Each of the decorated samples is a running model, so we've been track testing them as well as reviewing the livery detail. We're pleased to say that the Victory is a smooth, confident runner, with the gearing optimised to be controllable at slow speeds ideal for shunting and industrial use. Read on for details of each livery in turn...

PI-001-A • Plain black

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The simplest of our liveries but perhaps the one with the most potential - black is a great base for detailing and weathering or modification into your own choice of livery. You could also use it as the basis for British Railways livery with suitable decals.

PI-001-B • Lined grey, IW&D 12

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We have to admit to an error here - the first paint colour we specified for the grey livery has an incorrect metallic finish!

However, while we get that corrected we wanted to show you the sample anyway as it highlights the crisp detail of the white/black/white lining, the bold IW&D lettering suitable for the earliest operation of this class of loco during the First World War, and the extent to which the lining even extends to the chassis frames.

This one is going to look superb in the final, corrected grey colour (and secretly we're quite excited about having a unique silver one in the display cabinet!)

PI-001-C • Lined green

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The elegant lined green livery, complemented by lined cylinders and green wheels, is perfect for light railway applications as well as industrial use. In fact our livery is inspired in part by the Victory that ran on the East Kent Railway (although the prototype had the higher cab found on two of the class) and we will be offering an additional transfer set to add EKR lettering should you wish.

PI-001-D • Lined maroon

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Our final livery, lined maroon with black wheels and brighter red motion, is inspired by "Francis", the Victory which ran at Astley Green colliery. Again this livery would be perfectly at home on any light railway. We'll also be including a set of etched name and works plates should you wish to complete your loco as Francis.

What happens next?

Once we have fully assessed these samples we'll give the go-ahead for production. On current timescales we're hopeful of delivering the first models to you during the Autumn - international shipping is still a bit of an unknown quantity as things get back to normal after Covid.

So there are a few important things to note:

1 - If you want to take advantage of our discount pre-order offer, we will be closing this scheme after Monday 9th August. Any order placed after this date will be for the full price of the model.

2 - If you have already placed a pre-order with a £30 deposit we will soon be contacting you with an invoice for the balance payment, plus shipping. If you pre-ordered and paid in full you have nothing more to do, but we'll also be in touch to confirm delivery address prior to dispatch.

3 - Due to a slight rise in costs the full price for a DCC Sound model will be increasing to £245 from Tuesday 10th August. We have absorbed some of this price increase, and we will honour the original DCC Sound price for any order placed before this date, but this is your last chance to order at the original price. 

Pricing

DCC Ready - pre-order from £115, rising to £130 after 9th August
DCC Fitted - pre-order from £160, rising to £175 after 9th August
DCC Sound - pre-order from £215, rising to £245 after 9th August

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9 minutes ago, clarkea1 said:

However, I'm intrigued by the design shown above.  It appears to be a 3mm axle, with shoulders at each end, against which the wheels are pressed (excellent idea - I have often wondered why this isn't more common practice).  However, between the shoulders, the axle appears to drop back down to 3mm, so how are the gears and bearings fitted, as they are shown with a 3mm bore which obviously won't go over the shoulders... have I missed something clever? (Suspect so)

Definitely a good question! The axle itself is shouldered and the end part with the gauge-setting shoulder is pressed on after the gears (rear axle only) and bearings are added. The inner circle you can see on the end of the axle is the smaller diameter of the complete axle. There is also a separate "hub cap" which fits on the outside once the wheel is on.

Although our focus with the Victory is to produce a well-performing 00 gauge loco as our first attempt at RTR, we'll be interested to hear of any success or challenges in EM/P4 conversion in case we can make any passive provision on future projects.

11 minutes ago, Ruston said:

Thanks. Is it possible to change my order to a sound-fitted one instead? I'm not being funny, or awkward, and I would email, but although I send them at this end and they never seem to arrive at your end.

No problem, will update this now and it should email you a confirmation.

Similarly, my time to browse the forum is constrained by family and day job duties. James is also on holiday at the moment, so I'm preparing the decorated sample update in the spare time I do have.

My apologies to the Captain, a response to his initial query about the axle size slipped my mind, and this time around I have had to wait for an opportune moment to check the CAD and a model as I don't hold all of these details in my head. The axle diameter is 3mm and the design also features a shoulder to aid pressing the wheels to gauge - see attachment to this post.

Regarding the sound project, the information I currently have is that it was a custom creation for Minerva by Paul Chetter. Chris Basten of Minerva is also on holiday (bad time of year for it) so any further updates will have to wait until I can catch up with him. Ownership of the project remains with Minerva and there is no intention to make it available separately.

Happy to field any other questions, but please give me a chance to respond.

By kind permission of Minerva Models we are planning to use the sound project from their 7mm loco, resynchronised for the smaller scale. We'll be fitting Zimo chips in the Next18 socket, a speaker will be be pre-fitted to all models.

An update on the decorated samples is imminent, hopefully around the end of next week. Our discounted pre-order scheme will close shortly after the reveal.

14 minutes ago, Gordon A said:

Could we see a picture of the mechanism with the top removed please?

 

Gordon

Hi Gordon,

This can be seen in the video posted above, around the 1 minute mark.

6 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

May I ask, Planet chaps, what is the axle diameter on this little chap, please?

 

Will check up on this Cap'n, and get back to you.

8 hours ago, hmrspaul said:

Grimethorpe 66  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/grimethorpecoalite/e6bbc36d5 - completely different brake rigging, from a hopper, clasp brakes on one side with no brake shoes at all on the other side. 

 

Grimethorpe 142 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/grimethorpecoalite/e6f36a620 - completely different brake rigging, from a hopper. 

 

Grimethorpe 166   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/grimethorpecoalite/e69a20522  - completely different brake rigging, from a hopper. 

Hi Paul,

Our internal user industrial wagon pack has been produced within the parameters of the MDO tooling - we have taken inspiration from the Grimethorpe Coalite livery but they are not intended to be models of these exact wagons. As you note there are a number of detail differences, as these vehicles were modified, rebodied and patched up. Our hope is that they can find a home on any modelled industry where this type of wagon might end its days in industrial service, and should be a great base for serious weathering projects.

Just to join the party as Fran has kindly mentioned our special edition - the Planet Industrials internal user wagon pack is looking great, and I'm really pleased with our fashion collab style packaging!

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Great work.

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We use ours to stand our bins on. 

Last month we showed you the completed EP (engineering prototype) of our Kerr, Stuart "Victory" in 00 gauge. We've carefully assessed this model and given our feedback to the factory, and at the same time we have been working to sign off the decoration artwork for all four of the livery variants.

Based on our assessment and your feedback we have asked for the couplings to be moved inboard slightly (approx 1mm each end which is the maximum that could be accommodated without getting in the way of the body fixing screws) and also for the prominence of the panel join on the upper cab side to be reduced.

The means that the decorated samples can now be produced, and once we've received and approved these we can give the go ahead for the Victory to be put into production.

Please note that on all liveries, the wheel tyres, rods and motion will be blackened. The illustration style used by the factory indicates them in their raw material.

PI-001-A • Plain Black

An all-over black and otherwise undecorated livery intended to act as a base for your freelance industrial colour scheme. Of course it looks pretty good just as it is, too!

PI-001-B • Lined grey, I W & D 12

This WWI-era livery is the most complicated of the variants, and we've closely studied period photos to get it right. Featuring white/black/white lining on a grey base, carefully recreated tank side and bufferbeam lettering, and a fully lined chassis. We think this one is going to look stunning!

PI-001-C • Lined green

Our second freelance livery, this smartly decorated grass green lined in straw would look the part in an industrial or light railway setting. The painted wheels and lined cylinders finish it off below the footplate.

PI-001-D • Lined maroon

Again lined in straw, our maroon livery is inspired by "Francis" which worked at Astley Green colliery. The flame red coupling and connecting rods add an extra pop of colour around the motion.

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Just to remind you, we'll be closing our discount pre-order scheme once production starts so you only have a few more weeks to secure your model with this offer.

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It's something to do with Hermes, so interpret that as you will.

On 13/04/2021 at 16:58, Wickham Green too said:

I seem to recall mention of a possible cab conversion kit - at some time in the distant future ....... has there been any more though on this ? - for the minority of us who are bothered by things like that !

On 18/04/2021 at 20:42, JSpencer said:

 And transfers to do the actual locos that used these base colours (EKR no. 4 for the green one for example).

Yep, both of these are still on the radar.

7 minutes ago, Fireline said:

Morning. Only came across these at the weekend. They look good. Will the livery samples be available to view before pre-orders close? I only ask as the grey one looks stunning with the black chassis, but I fear I might not be as keen on a grey chassis! Also, did you make any decision on including the transfers to re-number to 11 on this model? Thanks.

Yes we will show the livery samples, although it will likely be a "last chance to pre-order" situation as we will want to sign off for production as soon as we can. The model will be available from stock afterwards but the pre-order discount will end.

We can look at transfer packs for other numbers, perhaps you are aware that IW&D 11 was one of the locos built with a taller cab so not strictly correct for our tooling.

17 hours ago, Penrhos1920 said:

What standard are the wheels?  I think you said RP25-93 in the video, but your website says RP25-110.  I’d prefer 93.

 

The specification for the loco is RP25-110 - I'll ask James to check what's in the video.

James has put together a short video of the EP in action on his colliery layout, Pont-y-Dulais

You need to work on your influencer marketing terminology. It's swag if it's free. If you're paying for it, it's merch.

14 hours ago, sc2016 said:

Do you know roughly when the pre order price disappears i know that you have said soon but i wasn't to sure on how close that would be?

If everything stays on schedule we are expecting decorated samples and then sign off around the end of May.

18 hours ago, 1whitemoor said:

This looks promising - I wonder though, are the buffers a tad too long? 

The sprung-ness of the buffers is one thing on our snagging list (they're currently a bit stiff) so we'll look at the overall size as well.

8 hours ago, No Decorum said:

The couplings look as if they are drooping to one side under their own weight in this picture, which hints that they may not have a centring action which is strong enough. (Hints of the Dapol coupling style.) It would be nice if they stuck out a little less. Other than that, the EPs look very good.

The current coupling springing is a bit loose, the overall height is also possibly a bit low (or it droops forward) so we're looking at whether this is a design or assembly issue. The projection of the coupling looks a bit more exaggerated than reality in the photo from below due to the perspective, I agree there might be a little bit of space to move it back if we need to but the main body fixing screws are immediately behind the coupling so we need to leave enough room to access those around the brake rodding.

Thanks for sharing @Davidjsmith. We'll always keep this thread updated but we like to give our email subscribers the first look!

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In terms of additional liveries, we are close to signing off the decoration design for the four current liveries but further variants are possible. I would recommend keeping an eye open...

As a reminder, you can still secure a discounted price with a £30 deposit (or pay in full) or reserve a model for free and pay the full price on delivery. We will close this pre-order scheme when we sign off decorated samples for production, so there won't be much more time to take advantage of this offer.

Links are below to each livery version on the Light Railway Stores online marketplace:

Pre-order in black at Light Railway Stores

Pre-order in lined grey at Light Railway Stores

Pre-order in lined green at Light Railway Stores

Pre-order in lined maroon at Light Railway Stores

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