Penrhos1920

I’m looking forward to Mikkel backdating the Accurascale 57xx

On 13/03/2023 at 06:40, Mikkel said:

On gwrcoaches.org.uk, look for the section on coach liveries and then the useful "Liveries in Animation" page, where @Penrhos1920 shows red bolections for 1908-12. 

I tried to use a use a red brown that portrays varnished mahogany.  Without checking I think the colour is what html calls mahogany!

Three photos showing the life of RR 64 taken from roughly the same angle.

Original design:

Converted to 0-6-2T with original boiler:

New boiler raised up by approximately 8" based upon the change in handrail position.  I think the increased length of an A class boiler will have been incorporated at both ends (possible because of the sloping grate of the A firebox).  A K class boiler couldn't have gone backwards because the firebox grate was flat and the rear driven axle is in the way.

Only 64 recieved the bigger boiler; I have a 1922 photo of 65 with a low pitched boiler

11 hours ago, Brassey said:

It's hard to tell but I think on this 40' PBV there are two garter crests; one under each GWR:

 

 

It is attached to an LNWR corridor vehicle on a through train.

 

PS: I would speculate that the horse box is also in Crimson Lake particularly as the white roof suggests a recent repaint

I think there’s a garter on the bottom of the lookout and you can see the supporters under the GWRs.  So it’s the normal 1908 livery.  Remember that with the exception of the special coaches that the GW didn’t use 2 garters on its coaches.

12 hours ago, Mikkel said:

Many thanks Pete. The carriage bug has bitten again. I need a number of coaches for my new layout showing the main platforms at Farthing, so there's enough to do.

 

When you’re talking GWR it’s shewing, not showing 😉

The National Wales museum photo of 118 shows the bar frames much better than most photos and just how much light you can see where traditional British frames would normally be.  Have you looked at PTR 21 or other American locos to help make sense of it all?

Is this drawing with the original boiler or the Barry boiler?  I’m away from home so I can’t tell you the difference.  I don’t think it was much. 

I’m surprised that the GWR bothered to  reboiler these locos.  The Barry boilers weren’t that old.  The real problem with these locos was somewhere in the cylinders and valve gear.  In later Barry days above the footplate they were identical to the B1 class.  B1s could make it to Trehafod without topping up the tanks yet the Ks couldn’t.

Ah but a couple of R2s were converted to composites just before the turn of the century, diagram U14.  The conversion probably involved changing the end compartments to 2nd class, later 3rds.

U14 running numbers were 52, 60, 199, 208, 209, 217, 625, 626 before 1907.  Add 6000 after 1907.

 The GWR started getting rid of 2nd class around 1908 when it realised that most people who wanted better than 3rd class could afford 1st class.

On 09/07/2021 at 21:20, Compound2632 said:

Curiously, I see that Taff Vale Models do what they say is an R2 as well as this what they say is a U9 and from the rather small photos on the website I am struggling to spot any difference.

It’s all in the compartment sizes.  U9 had a pair of 6’6 compartments and a pair of 7’ compartments, give or take a fraction of an inch.  The R2 was 1’ longer with four 7’ compartments.  R2s can easily be distinguished as the 3 panels between compartments are the same size.

http://penrhos.me.uk/Rdiags.shtml#R2

http://penrhos.me.uk/Udiags.shtml#U9

The later R2s had turn-under ends which makes soldering the butt joints even harder!

I didn’t know you could get a fixer that prevents/reduces UV caused fading.  Thanks 

What brand of paper do you use?  Do you have concerns that the ink will fade in time?

You say "The upper array of Tantalum Capacitors of the Stay Alive fits snugly into the enlarged bunker space".  Does that mean there's a lower array  as well?  What's the total uF of your array?!

http://www.penrhos.me.uk/Mdiags.shtml#G20 now has a drawing of the G20 interior thanks to Jonathan David who has scanned the Jack Slinn draw collections for me.

The GWR distinguished between brake thirds that had large luggage van areas and those that only had space for a guard.  Only the later were called Brake Thirds, only those with a luggage van were called Van Thirds.

Although the GWR built coaches with gas lights from the mid 1880s gas lighting was only fitted to these coaches between 1894 & 1898.

I hope that wood up there between the ties was supposed to have bowed like that! Looks like a lovely old garage in itself actually!

Yes. Two of the scenic boards have curved fronts so I need to make curved ply beams. I've just been out and added a brick to one to encourage the curve even more.

I think your garage is bigger than my house. Jealousy spat over, how will you keep the spider population under control now that you've cleared them out? My layout is in a garden shed and the first 20 minutes of any session has to be spent clearing the webs from the ceiling and the bodies from the track!

The garage spiders are the bane of my life. In the long term the plan is to fully insulate, board out and plaster the garage, but only after we have confirmed that the wall ties have done their job and stopped further wall movement. The short term plan is to use dust sheets to cover the layout whilst not being operated (useful for when we are making lots of dust or over night at exhibitions as well).

Rovex,

What Diagrams are the 70' coaches? I don't think you mentioned them.

Richard

I've used a PC PSU for Awrhyllgwami and Penrhos Junction from day one. I didn't have the Wikihow article then so I had to work out which cable kept the PSU switched on. Mine also needs about a 1 amp load on the 12v to keep it running, so a large resistor is required and it is bolted to the PC case to help cool it down.

I'm just about to cannibalise a second PC so that I can have separate PSU for the 2 layouts.

I have only used the PSU for points and lights etc. The controllers require 16v AC so I had to install a transformer in the PC case for them.

Delightful model, and very interesting to see the lights - intriguing. I've been curious about their new working gas lamps too. Only seen them on the web so far, but they also look tempting.

 

I hope your garage is getting ready for the layout - alhough this brakevan won't be taking up much space in there !

Thanks Mikkel. It's not progressing much, at the moment I need some more restful modelling. I could probably fit a 1000 brakevans this size into my garage and still have space for a layout! But I couldn't build a 1000 of them in a life time as the beading takes so long.

Very neat - probably the smallest brake van possible. When ruuning with veranda at rear were the side lights mounted in the same position? Is it possible to make these lights show the appropriate colour depending on direction of travel?

Not necessary with this prototype as the guard moved the lamps to the other end. But it would be necessary for Great Western brake vans as their side lights were on middle of the sides. At the moment Richard @ DCC Concepts only sells lamps with one led each way, but he is looking at putting 4 leds into one lamp. Now that will be an achievement and a half.

A Dragon Models kit, I guess. Do you know whether these vans (one survived until 1930 I think) ever carried GW markings?

Dragon yes. Not the easiest of kits to build, but only because there is 1 metre of wire supplied, mostly for the beading on the sides.

There were only two Rhymney Goods Brake Vans this size, both rebuilt in 1911 as brake vans, one condemned in 1927 the other in 1930 (I can read the instructions - which is essential for this kit).

I'm not certain about repainting. But they either lasted so long because the GWR couldn't find them (I kid you not there are entries in the Condemned Wagon Register to that effect against other wagons) or they were useful and in good condition when the GWR inspected called. Assuming the latter, I think that by 1930 it would have been repainted in full GWR livery.

Rather neat. Rarely can a van so small have had so many lights and so much lettering...

 

Thanks. I think this van wins the contest for the smallest Brake Van to run. Only 6 tons.