Allegheny1600

Earlier, you stated that if you were Peco or Gaugemaster or someone involved with this, you would be very worried by this thread! Yet, you are one of the most prolific posters on here and are one of the drivers of the thread reaching such a large number already. Now, you say you “might” be interested IF “they” produce something you want! But, you haven’t the patience to wait and see what might be announced next month! Whereas I and several others, have easily decided that we will give this a go, no matter what. With apologies to Michael Winner, “Calm down, dear - it’s only model railways” John (another one)

Speaking of this, can @whart57 or one of the mods, please change the tags on the first post? This is a topic that is supposed to be about TT 1/120th or 1:120 scale and not TT-3 or 3mm scale. Many thanks indeed, John

Thanks Keith for trying to translate my screen name! The real Allegheny was a monster steam locomotive built for the Chesapeake and Ohio and later, Virginian railroads, of 2-6-6-6 wheel arrangement, weighing some 600T and developing around 7500hp. The number 1600 is the first of the class. I adopted this screen name as I once modelled the C&O and actually had a private competition with a dear friend who models the Union Pacific - who of course, claim their “Big Boy” as the world’s largest steam locomotive (at around 550T and 6000hp). This gives a good summary: https://steamgiants.com/largest-steam-locomotives/allegheny-or-big-boy/ My real name is John Edge but that will mean nothing in Ancient Greek as the above post is only a joke!

Ancient Greek name translation I have been doing some research into the meaning of my name. I was delighted to find that in Ancient Greek my second name translates to ‘Attractive to women’. Unfortunately my first name translates to ‘Not very’.

Ordered! Thanks for doing this, I really hope it goes some way towards helping those poor people. I’m guessing the different payment options are so we may contribute more? I went for the middle option, sorry I can’t afford more.

No doubt Arnold produced DDR outline models because they were judged to be the best sellers in the largest share of the market but it doesn’t mean that other areas aren’t modelled or modellable. Sadly, neither Arnold nor Roco or Mehano/Lemke are major players in TT. Kuehn and Tillig certainly make plenty of models for Western Germany and for the present day (including more than just reliveried models), MTB make Czech and American models etc, etc There is a LOT of stuff out there! Reading through the various German forums, there are plenty of practioners of TT throughout all of Europe, long may it continue.

Yes! I was once a visitor to Tony Wright’s “Little Bytham” - which is a superb layout complete with 16.5mm gauge track built by (I understand) Norman Solomon (spelling?) who is reputed to be one of the best track builders. From a side on view, the finest 00 track looks simply second to none BUT from a head on view it still looks “narrow gauge” to me (Sorry Tony and Norman, that’s how I see it). I am very well aware of the reputed reasons behind the creation of 00 (and Triang TT and British N etc) but if Henry Greenly hadn’t bizarrely tried to use wheels of the same thickness as 0 scale wheels, we might not have had this problem. By the way, I don’t have this problem with British 0 gauge or British N gauge as they both have track gauges that are much closer to the prototype - approximately 4’6” rather than 4’ or 4’1” or so.

I’m sorry but you clearly didn’t read my post! I said that the “SR Dock Tank” is RTR by REE Modeles! This is a high quality French manufacturer who typically and like most other manufacturers, has their stuff produced in China. Thank you

Thanks! The cows were sold by Prieser as H0 scale - maybe they’re suffering the close = large, far away = small illustrated by Father Dougal?

Precisely! I model extensively in H0 in British, American and European outlines and I simply cannot see problems with “fat” cylinders or valve gear. Every single time I see OO unless it’s from a very low angle, side view - I see the narrow gauge track and it really annoys me. Just a couple of examples of British H0; The little S100 “SR Dock Tank” is RTR by REE modeles and the WD is kit built by DJH. Can’t get large locomotives with outside valve gear to work in British H0, eh? I also have a pair of Black Fives and sundry other locos but they are unfinished as yet, not to mention packed away in a container. My point in showing these pictures is to illustrate that steam outline British models with the correct scale/gauge ratio do exist, they do work and go around ‘reasonable’ curves and therefore, could exist in 1/120th scale too. They may be “expensive” compared to typical Hornby/Bachmann prices but what isn’t expensive these days? I’d rather have one loco of the quality of that Gutzold 2-8-4T than several dozen “cheap” models.

Oh Gawd!!!

No, not one manufacturer but FOUR! Heljan, Mehano, Maerklin/Trix and ESU - all aimed squarely at the Euro market. Does this not tell us all that the European market for model railways is much larger than in little old UK?

I realise you’re just being funny but I recall that one of the Accurascale team came on here in the first few pages and ruled themselves out (sadly). However, there are still plenty of newish starters around - fingers crossed! Meanwhile, reading a TT scale forum, Ahem, a 1/120th scale forum - and they’re mostly rather pleased, it seems. https://www.ttnut.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3712 My apologies for linking to another forum, quite bad form I understand.

There probably is but like the prototype, it’s much larger than it’s British counterpart, sorry. Perfect if you’re happy with just a repaint though.

It’s all very simple really! Because the British loading gauge is smaller than most of the rest of the world (talking standard gauge here), while we may have started the whole thing going, we ended up being strangled by our inventiveness. The remainder of the world pushed the limits of the loading gauge way beyond what we started and therefore ended up with bigger trains. Now when it came to making models of said trains, again we led the way but in the early days of smaller models, we got the best toy makers in the world to build them for us. That’s the Germans if you didn’t know. When folk modelled Gauge 1 and 0, things were fine - plenty of room for mechanisms in any prototype, not that most models were that exact anyway! Come the time when we wanted to go half the size of 0 gauge and we suddenly had a problem. Especially when the main protagonist (Henry Greenly) wanted to use wheelsets of the same thickness as the 0 scale models - there wasn’t space for a mechanism within a British H0 body. So, instead of using H0 (3.5mm/ft) we adopted 4mm/ft BUT kept on running on 16.5mm gauge track! Are you with me so far? After WW2 yet smaller scales were explored, the Americans trying 1/120 TT (table top) which is a substantial reduction from 1/87 which is still their primary scale. Therefore when Triang wanted to adopt a similar “TT”, they had to compromise with 3mm/ft, again keeping the under scale track. NOW do you see why it is the Triang boys who are the compromised ones NOT the 1/120 people? I mean no disrespect to the dedicated 3mm modellers, they do the most exquisite modelling that I can only dream of aspiring to and when they leave the 12mm track gauge, they model without compromise. I thank the modelling gods that Peco appear to have reset the clock by attempting British outline 1/120th scale and I am going to nail my colours to the mast and state that I am going to start modelling in this scale. Cheers, John PS To the pedants: my rapid summary of history above is as brief as possible and therefore I don’t apologise for any missing information or facts. This is how I see it.

When I watched the video, I thought it looked pleasantly British so I really don’t think they are aiming at the European market! It’s also a “fine” looking track so I guess they are aiming to follow a standard of some sort? My guess is that this is the start of a new wave of introductions with say, one big name and a couple of the newer, smaller manufacturers getting on board quickly. I’m keeping my thoughts on who these people might be to myself as I don’t want to inadvertently break any moratoriums. . . . There you go. I am quavering over a new project in British outline, this could be just what I need. John

Hi Jeff, I just saw your picture in one of the “realistic “ threads and I had to come and on here and give my regards! Fantastic work, I’m loving it, Cheers, John

I find this a fascinating development and I am keen to support them. I really like the idea of having British outline in the correct scale to gauge combination without having to build my own track - maybe this is perfect for me!? I just hope that if another manufacturer does come along, they do support Peco’s choice of 1/120 scale. What I will add is that being a worldwide scale, people in other countries may well choose to model British outline with this.

Appropriating certain foods from your oppressors over a 400 year period should be quite forgivable imho. Another food they definitely adopted from the Turks is the Baklava - very sweet indeed but completely delicious (just one may give you diabetes!) As for naked Olympics, well - each to their own! Back to the jokes, sadly I don’t know many Greek ones but there’s this; What do Greek dogs love eating? Barklava

Gyros - Mmmmm, lovely! Souvlakis - also good. Ouzo - Bleuch! They can keep it, I’d rather drink paint stripper! Although I usually tend to prefer whiskey.

Given most of us our modern languages? Except the Chinese, Indians etc. Not to mention the basis of our civilisation? Democracy, literature, philosophy, mathematics, astronomy, medicine and the naming of all our plants, animals and minerals!

I’m blown away - this is stunning work. I love it!

Hi there, I had followed your other topic about British export locomotives and had a feeling that you may have been looking for H0 stuff! Ha, ha - great minds! The newer Jouef Hornby 140C would be a good start naturally but also consider Dutch prototypes as imho, they have quite a British look to them but sadly the models that I have seen tend to be very expensive. I don’t have my big computer available else I could access my links collection but if you could find one of the Dutch forums, you should be able to gather sufficient info from there. HTH, John

I’m looking forward to seeing how you get on with this, Nick! Judging by your previous efforts, it’s going to be great. I’m an ‘on again, off again’ 0 scale lover - in addition to the actual presence of this scale, you have a much closer scale to gauge relationship than with 00 (which always looks narrow gauge to me!). This gives an enormous advantage to the scale in my book. Cheers, John

Very clever stuff! It’s not something I would do but I can certainly admire the imagination, craftsmanship and talent that has gone into this, it’s quite amazing actually. The dragon attack scenes are fantastic, literally! Cheers, John