'CHARD

And misidentified to boot, as I guess you realised - it pound-to-a-pinch-of-snuff wont be D1968, but I could believe it would be D1958, one of those delivered in blue

Indeed, and I've had a dialogue off-line about this shot with the photographer

The train was diverted from the Carstairs line and appeared on the scene with some haste, probably unexpectedly, I think it's fair to say. As is well known, many of the guys out capturing the twilight of the Waverley had a social context in mind rather than recording numbers. Type 4 and single BG passed Riccarton at line speed, ahem, and a cursory glimpse of the number was 'what a coincidence, that's the same number as the year!'

1968 was a Haymarket loco but she was green at this date, well documented in all sorts of ways, and the likeliest explanation is that this is D1958, one of the handful of locos delivered new from Brush in blue. That's what she'll become when she reaches my W/B.

The leading PMV looks like an LMS 4 Wheel Motor Car Van (Diag. 2026)'Chard.

 

Parkside Dundas produce a 4mm kit: Product Code PC40. According to the blurb on their website, "The LMS constructed 150 of these vans in 1938, with a further 75 by BR in the 1950s. They were a development of the diag. 1929 vans (our PC33 kit) and many lasted into the late 1970s with a few surviving in the Service".

 

Pete

Nice one, thanks Pete. Seems as if there's one definite area where exotica is writ large on Waverley workings, and this is the intense parcels traffic, much as I thought. Seems as though that's the place where not just the new Hornby Hawksworth BG but also the kit market's got a part to play, cheers for the details!

Opening today's account with this people shot that is the counterpart to the scan of Bruce McC's letter from Edinburgh agreeing to the brakevan trip on the last Kelso:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=22937

More gut-wrenching nostalgia from the freight-only period:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=22883

The Paper Train? No pilot, but a booked 64B BFYE 26, at Flex cutting, latterly a popular photographic spot:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=22892

Demolition train, Burnfoot, headed by a smouldering Clayton, and not in the romantic sense

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=23063

This morning's highlight and discussion shot, it's another Blue Brush 4, in another livery, and with a steam style headcode - look, you'll see what I mean:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=22962

EDIT: contrary to the caption, this is bBFYE D1958, this batch of locos being common performers on their real patch between Carlisle and Glasgow on a variety of traffics, but notably Freightliner services (none of which were diverted over the WR, due to gauging issues).

As discussed on another thread, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/6186-waverley-route-new-image-links/page__pid__55865__st__25entry55865 , I have yet to see evidence of any ScR or Cumbrian diesels from classes 21, 27, 28 or 29 on the Waverley route! Just wait and see though, now I've said this!

While I'm on a roll, here's some GSYP split-box eye candy at Flex cutting, on the Waverley yet again:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=22730

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=22956

shows D8574 and D5071 most definitely in GSYP Summer 68, so did the 64B Type 2 receive Early Blue before the winter?

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23139

this appears to show D8574 again later that summer but now BFYE? It's got GSYP D5310 (I think) inside anyhow, so Haymarket's stayed green after Inverness' were going wholesale BFYE, also seen here http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23307 check out the chalk-marked leading PMV - is it? don't recognise the origins

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23147 familiar tracklifting shot at Hawick '71

A memorable Class 25 face from the freight-only period:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=22929

some 45 contrasts from Russell Saxton's 'Name that Peak' thread:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23740

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23712

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23706

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=22905

but what is this:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=22765

Green, full yellow end, centre glass panel Class 45, red 55A shedplate?

I wouldn't like to say it is definately a green one, If it was it could possibly be 166 which had a shedplate fitted too the front along with one on the cabside (55A) above the number, also quite a few BFY ones still carried their shedplates

 

I think the only class 45's to receive GFY were splitboxes.

 

I'm sure Russell will tell us

 

Trevor.

Look again at the cab roof and the buffer beam/ bogie front. I reckon there's weathered green and red there, Bruce McCartney's Agfa repro are pretty faithful. Anyway, while we're about it, here are some more from that period that may be easy, may be debatable, may be plain impossible to i.d:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23712

FYE Peak odd looking square edged panel, again looks like red bogie front

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23740

June '68, SYP austerity green? split box

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=23706

Just a nice record shot for you all of D14 with end doors on 12 June '68 and SYP

Update. My photo of 188 GFYE is dated 13/8/69. Very nice fully lined out green!

That would be awesome, cheers!

Here's a poser, from the RailScot photo archive:

Green Full Yellow End, single centre panel headcode, red shedplate as at the end of this link, date 4th January 1969 (last-but-one day)

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=22765

I'm guessing this must be a 45 then...

Awesome Russell, many thanks for that. Waiting for the page to load was like waiting for an exam result; knowing the die was cast but would or wouldn't it be a pass!

That's great, having noticed that Peaks were very blue by the end of '68, I'm keen to reflect the relative impact of the green that still remained without too much repainting, looks like the 46s were green's last stronghold...

EDIT: I've just lost the plot and re-found it! This info indicates that D188 was still wearing GSYP when the Waverley shut, no repaint at all needed!

I get the suspicion that the Austerity livery was pending clarification/ official sanction of the new corporate livery, during the 1965-66 period, but that's just a hunch.

Sorry to be a pain but does anyone know when D188 (happily Bachmann's present green 46 AND a Waverley regular) received FYE, by the way?

Just gone back over these links and have never seen a 1160hp / class 24 with the arrows on the cab doors before. Are you suggesting that 5062 and 5068 were the only two like it Ian ?

 

Fascinating stuff.

When you inflate that pic to the limits of reasonable resolution, the anonymous Type 2 looks like it could be D5071, which IIRC was a 64B machine at this time, along with TTGSYP sister 5072 that is the subject of the Kernow L/E. At the moment the intended recipient remains recumbent in her Bachmann box awaiting clarification on this point, for she will end up in this very era-specific early livery variant.

Scotch Dyke was long-closed to passengers by then, and judging by the dates of much of your photographic records you were out pretty solidly during late '68 capturing these wonderful evocative images for posterity. Was this a marathon road-trip on the trusty two-stroke? It would have been a good half-hour walk from Longtown...

I'm glad someone took a photograph of the famous last stand by the locals at Newcastleton!

 

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=18723

Indeed, this legendary episode in the disgraceful closure process is captured in several pictures, including by one of the papers, if I'm not mistaken. The daytime and Downing Street elements of the protest ae also well catered for. However, as my layout will be the line in suspended animation in late '68, I will never have cause to model this in 00!

I wonder at what point in the procedings this picture was taken, because the constabulary seems to outnumber the protesters here!

Jamie's post

Mate, great spots! I'm not conversant enough with Flickr to search the site effectively, and fortunately I am pedestrian enough to trawl Railbrit - as Pennine says it's a bit user-fiendish.

The closure notice is awesome, it lists two dozen 'stations and halts,' including Whitrope, which was presumably staff-only (so why list it, as there won't be any jobs there on 6th Jan '69?), and the inclusion of Harker suggests that there was still a staff service, presumably into Carlisle, at this date, including non-Waverley staff who would still be required to turn up for work on Black Monday. Parkhouse RAF personnel were the other non-public affected.

Ian, the appearance of another 31 on a troop special doesn't surprise me at all, but 28s and 29s remain in the tantalizing basket. [EDIT: there is no evidence that either of these classes, nor any other pedal-cars ever rode the Waverley's metals.] Incidentally, like 31s, I do not want any evidence they were even intermittent performers on the line. Regarding the 24 i.d - yep those two do tally with my notes, I'll double-check the position of livery elements as these may be subtly different on them.

Phil, I'm no expert on 26 works visits, but now you mention it 5307 is that odd-man out, shame that in detail she differs from the HJ model, as she's probably the essential 64B specimen. You just know that last comment I made will trigger more W/B tomfoolery...

Cheers for the comments guys, guess the Bank Holiday bounce brought it to the attention of more people.

Bust the Bank Holiday Blues with this selection of links to awesome pictures of the Waverley route on the Railbrit site, including some great signalbox pics towards the end...

PESCO special ??“ sounds like something from Wallace & Monument, sorry Gromit!

One of my fav people shots on the line:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24638

Did I link to this V2 already? If I did, look again and check out the concrete sand? bin foreground:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24617

Ok, who hasn??™t stood here yet?

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24607

Five days before my DOB!

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24525

Pair of V2s on the seldom recorded stretch south towards Barnes

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24510

??¦and as the driver??™s eye view looks today:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24492

I have never seen this location before:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24346

OR, incredibly, Newtongrange ??“ last station to see a photo of?

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24342

Shankend Peak ??“ signature Waverley

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24320

How about THIS little piece of history, was the fare expensive for ??™68?

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24272

Newcastleton box, incredible record shot

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24239

Falahill

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24216

Kershopefoot box

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24172

Longtown box and Mossband chord

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24154

Shankend box and refuge

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24143

Scotch Dyke box

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24135

Tarras Viaduct on the Langholm branch, visited here but never heard it called by that name, wonder if the 4MT is 43139 or 43106!

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24093

St Boswells Sth box

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24063

BRCW on special 4th January ??™69, Riccarton

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24052

Meld, 1967

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24478

NBR Scott at Hawick

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24437

1969, one of the legendary 64B ???nine??™

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24432

Hawick, redevelopment encroaches, and blue-brick parapets!

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24373

The extensive Railbrit archive is not the easiest to navigate nor the most searchable, thus it rewards persistence. Because it is, as we all know, a goldmine.

The past two days' work has enabled me to definitively i.d 1547 as my second Early Blue Brush. I say this with 60% certainty, which is sufficient for decaling and detailing purposes. Pictured at Melrose and photographed when I think, the last digits suspiciously look like 47 after I manipulated the image as a screengrab, she would have been a DO5 (Crewe) machine at the time, and therefore very plausible indeed.

Now to research the i.d of the 24 at Whitrope with the early style serif D-numbers.

Fortunately, due to contaminated mazak, this unwelcome insurgent disintegrated near Melrose and was cut up on site in Darnick Siding during 1960.

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24644

Any sane, joined-up plan would question the closure of a railway serving towns that were clearly experiencing growth. Here??™s a very tasty 40 role-playing a vulture at Burnfoot in ??™72:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25060

Where do you start with signature Waverley like this at Kelso Jct?:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25032

Pretty shot of a Type 2 entering Gala, around the time of rationalization:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24991

Fancy weathered twenties? Here??™s a rare Langholm branch shot:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24986

Stobs Camp ??“ scars of MoD tramway on Acreknowe hillside:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24980

Round Arnton Fell, today this would rival the beauty of the West Highland:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24960

I lingered here eating lunch in 2003. I saw my only ever red squirrels, but no GSYP EE Type 1s came past:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24958

Pass the remote:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24956

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24860

Read the caption, it??™s my branch??™s entire raison d??™etre:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24948

To the other Mr McCartney, a knighthood surely awaits:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24941

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24942

Enough to bring grown men to tears:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24868

Stobs with one of the 64B GFYE ladies (1968/9 0r 72), suitably informative headcode but this is 2M54

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24864

Gresley N2 at Hawick, it says here:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24829

Caption caution, mid-60s must be pre-'64 if Riddings Sta is open, as it appears to be, now check out the smoke from this 12A Black 5!

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24585

Steele Road, with only a handful of trains left to call, this station building makes a very tempting model...

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24553

Hawick then and now, note oval wheel on the Vauxhall Omega!

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=24768

A few more for Boxing Day:

Peak at Newcastleton towards the very end:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25212

Some B1 action:

Hawick

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25704

and Hassendean

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25674

action of a different sort at Hassendean

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25176

Clayton near Dalry with Ardeer gunpowder vans? Yes, I know it's not the Waverley!

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25556

Merlin at Gala

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25559

Rare locus episode 35: Bowland box

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25514

Rare locus episode 36: Riddings four years after closure

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25141

and on the branch at Canonbie

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25080

Read the captions and weep

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25235

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25223

Read the poster and weep, I had forgotten Kelso lasted this long:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=25192

The 40 at Heriot shot is worth a second look. The caption is only half right, because far from passing through the station with a party of students on board, one of whom is taking the picture (because he later turns up taking a picture from the train itself entering Whitrope Tunnel), at the time the shutter is pressed the driver is actually setting back into Heriot refuge siding to detach a wagon that was running a hot box.

And the next set, now with added detail:

3-car Met-Cam near Selkirk Jct on 4/1/69, this is the very essence of Waverley and the houses are spot-on the style of my semis!

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26427

The less-photographed Deltic special with 9002, in a very rare photographic locus, approaching Gala from the south, telegraph pole and signal cabling in evidence:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26402

BFYE D5337 at Penton in the frost just before the end:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26387

Shankend on 1/4/71 with D5307:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26380

Lyneside SB, this will blow your mind, Millerhill Boy!

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26353

Subject of recent frothing, City of Truro on the border ECML-style:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26332

Green EE Type 4 at the very start of the Waverley in Carlisle, Dec '68:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26316

Scotch Dyke

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26311

Looking back at Gala from a Clayton cab:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26307

Ballymoss on Shankend 1967, load 13 ECML diversion:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26286

80113 Hawick

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26260

A 50 glimpsed from a Waverley service

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26254

Border Counties trackbed, Plashetts

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26241

The last Hawick freight, April '69. Beyond poignant, these Clayton pics -

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26237

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26182

Last Hawick freight at Millerhill, with awesome period cars in shot:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26210

Heriot and a BFYE 64B 40, this shot is as good as it gets??

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26200

B1 approaching Hawick:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26146

Holy grail time: Early Blue 1536 at Copshaw Holm, note carriage boards

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26129

A4, Whitrope, snow aplenty

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26065

Sir Visto, Hawick

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26037

Seldom photographed: Longtown

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26026

Tudor Minstrel, Shankend

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26011

D49 at Hawick (see, I'm not biased!)

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=25948

That's all for now, it's turkey time! Enjoy!!!

Been trawling the inestimable Railbrit archive again, and thanks to the usual legends, here are links to, Waverley before and post-closure, a 37 at Whitrope, Clayton taking water at Carstairs, Ilfracombe being demolished, and a 26 on single line at Whitrope on April Fools Day 1971.

EDITED 28th December to include caption highlights.

And an Early Blue 47 at Melrose (image 26778), check out the headcode, I would LOVE confirmation that this is 1547, that I have now based a Bachmann i.d. tweak on, as covered in my W/B Blog.

Enjoy...

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26820 Keshopefoot looking north towards L/C

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26778 1547 (?) at Melrose, check out headcode

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26771 GRCW at Leith Central DMU shed

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26756 Selkirk Sta 1970

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26755

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26736 St Boswells northwards view

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26733 D2720 ready to lift Kelso - Tweedmouth section

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26719 Riccarton from Up Peak-hauled Class 1

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26663 Early Blue 24 at Whitrope, i.d. confirmation sought

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26600 Up view into Whitrope from 40-hauled 4M45

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26572 5307 at Whitrope, obbo special April 1st 1971

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26541 Class 37 D6838 at Whitrope December '68 RARITY

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26522 Non-Waverley: last Corstorphine DMU at Waverley

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26493 Class 08 across Hawick rooftops, demolition 1971

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