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On 14/09/2020 at 17:09, 009 micro modeller said:
while elsewhere the Cromford and High Peak Railway still has the remains of a standard gauge wagon in what presumably used to be a trap for runaways on one of the inclines.
...and a Midland 5-plank displayed on the length of track at the top of the incline at Middleton Top
When the Soar Lane lift bridge from Leicester West Bridge was displayed at the former Snibston museum, it had a 5-plank on the track...
...and there were quite a few other wagons in the colliery sidings.- from memory they included a couple of 16-tonners, a tanker and a Midland/LMS brake van- IIRC the brake van at least is now at Mountsorrel, along with the Ellis & Everard 5-plank that used to be displayed in the museum
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Another long-time customer right back to the days of the Coalville shop (albeit with a very long gap while I was living 180 miles away), and definitely to be recommended- I've had quite a few secondhand bargains from them in the last few years.
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Definitely recommended, I've bought quite a few kits and bits from them at various shows.
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On 24/09/2020 at 11:51, fezza said:
The oddest model shop I have ever visited was in the basement of the old and semi derelict Readers Return, New Buildings Hinckley. You had to ask to gain entry into what was basically a dimly lit cave of second hand Triang Hornby Dublo, rusty second hand and odd modern bits.
It was run by a guy called Shufflebotham who occasionally published in the model railway press. He was a bearded, bluff and rather strange guy who made you feel somewhat nervous - you got the impression he found customers irritating and he always seemed to think you were going to nick stuff. He was probably OK when you got to know him though. I remember buying a Mainline Royal Scot from him. I still have it.
The whole place was knocked down in the late 80s. Anyone else ever venture down there?
That's a new one to me- As a Leicestershire teenager, my model-buyng mainly centred around Signal Box and Geoff's Toys in Coalville, with very occasional visits to Apex Craft or Norcol Models in Leicester, but Hinckley was always a bit off the beaten track for me- Found this feature on past Hinckley shops from the local paper website...
https://www.hinckleytimes.net/news/local-news/gallery/1980s-shops-11443843
...including a 1983 pic of Readers Return, complete with a selection of period Mainline in the window...
https://i2-prod.hinckleytimes.net/incoming/article11443723.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/JS80755638.jpg
Looking at the pic, I see what you mean in your description, it doesn't look like the most inviting of shops!
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32 minutes ago, Ravenser said:
Quite a lot of the Skaledale ordinary building are actually from Lincolnshire, although coming from the town in question I can confirm that business names have frequently been swapped round between buildings
It's not a part of the world I know particularly well, but I had a vague memory that I'd read somewhere that some of the Skaledale buildings were of Lincolnshire prototypes.
One that defiintely isn't is R8756, Jubilee Clock Tower, which is the one on Margate seafront
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Margate_Clock_Tower_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1715234.jpg
Another Kent building, from Bachmann (44-0020) The Jackdaw pub, is from Denton, between Canterbury and Dover- it was used as a location for the 1969 "Battle of Britain" film
http://www.dover-kent.com/Jackdaw-Denton.html
The Jackdaw isn't the only film/TV star to appear in the Bachmann Scenecraft range- the "Corner Store" (44-0046) is from Lister Avenue in Doncaster- but is best known as Arkwright's shop in "Open All Hours"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_All_Hours
There have been quite a few that I've looked at over the years and thought "That building looks familiar from somewhere"- Anyone able to offer some more definite IDs?
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On 15/09/2020 at 21:04, Steamport Southport said:
Which ones in particular?
As often the clue is in the name as many are from heritage railways. For example Hampton was based on one on the SVR ISTR. Likewise they've done station buildings from the Great Central, K&WVR, NYMR, Also have done the Settle & Carlisle, March.
"Granite" looks Midland.
https://www.hattons.co.uk/164394/hornby_r9836_granite_station_buiding/stockdetail.aspx
Jason
The Hornby "Granite" station buildings are definitely Midland Settle & Carlisle- they've also been released in a different colourscheme as Dent station:
https://www.hattons.co.uk/36047/hornby_r9680_dent_station/stockdetail.aspx
They released the matching Dent Snow Huts, and a Midland signal box as well.
Bachmann also did a Midland signal box- 44-172 "Tall signal box"
This is the box that originally stood on the level crossing at Coalville before it was moved to the former Snibston colliery/museum site: http://www.nigeltout.com/html/coalville-1970s.html
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1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said:
Assuming the tooling still exists, the Airfix Rebuilt Scot toolings vanished and could not be found when Dapol thought they had acquired them. A new batch of the Stirling Single with a new tooling of the small tender as everyone alive has seen it run with would plainly sell IMO
Re: the Airfix Scot, wasn't some of Airfix's tooling destroyed in the period between Airfix going bust and the model railway range being bought by Palitoy, and General Mills pulling out of the toy/model business a couple of years later. IIRC, didn't one of the mags once publish an interview with the late David Boyle, where he mentioned seeing some of the ex-Kitmaster kit tooling (from memory either the Garratt or Stirling SIngle, neither of which ever reappeared in either Airfix or Dapol guise) being destroyed with a sledgehammer when he was negotiating the AIrfix/Dapol deal?
With an existing Rebuilt Scot in the Mainline range, I can imagine Palitoy wouldn't have been too concerned about the tools for the Airfix one which duplicated their own product.
It will be interesting to see what does emerge for future EFE releases- as a couple of people have suggested, there's no shortage of commissioned tooling around which might warrant a re-release, it just depends on who controls the rights to that and whether they might be willing to strike a deal with Bachmann.
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33 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said:
Thats the Airfix tooling which Palitoy owned in the early 1980s before it passed to Dapol. The van in question being Airfix 54301. Palitoy only used the tooling for LMS and BR liveries. It was one of the toolings Dapol neither had a copy made of nor sold to Hornby, so the current Dapol bodies are being made from 1978 toolings. The Bachmann model is an improved body dating from 1992 as a tweak or retool of a 1975 Kadee tooling originally used for Mainline; albeit sat on a 2001 chassis.
The giveaway is that the original Mainline tooling had working sliding doors, complete with suitably out-of-scale runners - it also appeared in an "Allsopp's Lager Beer" PO livery, which was genuine, just (as ever!) not on an LMS sliding-door van...
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On 05/08/2020 at 13:00, Steamport Southport said:
What's left? Just off the top of my head
2F 0-6-0
700 0-6-0
Spinner 4-2-2
483/2P 4-4-0
3F 0-6-0T
And a couple of "they'll never make a model of that"
Flatiron 0-6-4T
Lickey Banker 0-10-0
2F might be the most likely of those- although I'm almost surprised that between Heljan's forays into the diesel-era one-offs, and KR Models picking up the torch for R-T-R oddities with GT3, Fell, Leader etc, that no-one has announced an RTR 'Bertha' to an expectantly-waiting world yet!
On 05/08/2020 at 17:12, Compound2632 said:When you look at some of the obscure south-of-the-river stuff that sells like hot cakes, I wouldn't put money on it.
I suppose some of the more 'niche' Southern releases (Beattie Well Tank, Adams Radial, 'P', B4 etc) etc are helped by the fact they survived until pretty late in the day on BR compared to something like a Flatiron (last ones withdrawn before WW2?), and examples are on hand in preservation to scan/measure/inspire us to reach for our wallets
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5 hours ago, TheQ said:
I still am unlikely to attend a exhibition as visitor or exhibitor until vaccinated, even then I might still wear a mask... Why? how often have you been to a show and couple of days later have a cold or the sniffles, I know I have several times.
That's the thing, isn't it. My work situation is that I'm back-room office staff, so working from home, but as we support front-line key-workers I've also been going into the office regularly when needed, throughout lockdown, so am seeing both 'worlds' - and there do seem to be an increasing number of people out there who aren't taking much effort at all to socially distance.
I've had exactly that experience of apparently picking something up at a show in the past- I felt a bit rough with some cold-ish symptoms the day after Doncaster last year, which within 48 hours escalated into a trip to the local walk-in, who referred me straight to A+E and two nights in hospital...
Believe me I won't be taking too many risks with my exhibition attendance (my usual routine for the last few years has been Doncaster, Derby, GCR, FBRM Peterborough, Gaydon/MK and Warley plus any local shows) in the near future until I'm convinced we've got some kind of real control over COVID
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6 hours ago, Alex TM said:
Hi folks,
Very interesting video.
What caught my eye, and made my wife ask "did they really paint it like that?", was Comrie's no. 19 (HE3818). Very ugly, but "I want one"! Once repainted a Farish one in that scheme, only to be told that there never was one like that despite me having a magazine article (c/w colour photo) to prove it.
Regards,
Alex.
Mmm, I see what you mean- 1970's NCB corporate blue and yellow really doesn't do much to complement the lines of an Austerity tank, it really is hideous!
I think I might have to have one for my little NCB collection though....
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On 01/08/2020 at 12:43, Fat Controller said:
There aren't any staffed light-houses any more, as far as I'm aware. That library shot has been used to illustrate stories about Porthcawl, and doubtless elsewhere; I had heard it said that the original is actually in Brittany....
On 02/08/2020 at 09:41, BoD said:
There may well be similar ones in Brittany but that particular one, as I said in my post, is local to me on the Durham coast.The Durham coast pic in BoD's post reminds me a lot of the similar photos of French lighthouses taken by Jean Guichard, which is probably what prompted FC's thought about Brittany
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On 18/07/2020 at 14:45, brossard said:
Dia 2115 was unusual in that it was built in the late 1940s at a time when I thought 6 wheeled vehicles were considered archaic. The only other LMS Fish van kit that I know of is the 4 wheeled Dia 2059 available from Peco/Parkside:
https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Parkside-Kits-OO-LMS-6-Ton-Fish-Van-PC59_N105379981
John
At risk of dragging the thread off-topic onto 4-wheeled LMS fish vans, Cambrian also offer the earlier (late 1920's iirc) D1885
https://www.trainshop.co.uk/cambrian/5058-c87-lms-6ton-fish-van-d1885.html
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On 01/07/2020 at 23:10, Kaput said:
Also as someone that travels around solo to visit heritage lines none of the ones reopening are being all that clear on whether they'll actually let a solo person book out an entire compartment.
The GCR's website refers to 'a reserved compartment for between one and six people', which implies they will- I suppose there's a bit of pragmatism at work at this early stage, in that one person booking a compartment is better than an empty one.
http://www.gcrailway.co.uk/special-events/reopening-july-2020/
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Yes, I backdated the Cambrian Shark kit into an approximation of the LMS van some years back, and opted for red oxide rather than grey based on the same references to the Essery books (although mine still has BR-style veranda doors, rather than safety rails to stop my PW gang from falling out, because I rashly worked from notes I'd taken from a library copy of the book, rather than directly from the book! One day I'll revisit it and do a better job)
Incidentally, the photo of the 1939-built van Wheatley mentions above also features the small 1936-style LMS lettering and wagon number style and curiously was a one-off which was 6" wider across the lookouts
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1 hour ago, Hroth said:
As far as I know, when Lodekkas were around Liverpool Corporation never used them, and Liverpool buses were never painted red. A green Crosville one would be nice!
Anyhow I've enough buses for all the bridges on my layout...
A combination of a Liverpool Corporation bus with a Binns Road destination and an East Kent with the Westwood destination, both complete with Triang/Hornby advertising might have been nice, and slightly less random
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IIRC this is discussed in the Essery & Jenkinson Illustrated History of LMS Locomotives, vol 1, the general overview and liveries volume. As I recall, the gist of it is that at first all locomotives were supposed to have smokebox door plates, but in practice the majority of ex-LNWR locos never got them, and by about the late '20's the practice had been officially abandoned - apart from on ex-Midland locos, which of course already had them, and new-build LMS standards - and they didn't last long on the minority of ex-LNWR locos which had received them when first repainted after grouping,
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On 04/06/2020 at 18:42, Steamport Southport said:
If they are still the same as they used to be they have basic plastic couplings provided on the sprue.
But they are like the ones in Ratio and many other kits, and are a bit useless IMHO. Replace them with something better if you can.
Just had a quick search through my stash of unbuilt kits, and (bear in mind here that some of these have been sitting in a box for over a decade) some Slaters kits definitely came with a basic self-assembly tension lock as you described- they also sometimes (I thought always, but the first one I opened didn't have them) included a pair of mounting bosses for the old wide Triang/Hornby tension-lock, but that's not much use for the modern small ones.
I will confess back in the day to having made my own mounts for Bachmann tension locks from plastic strip (...and predictably ended up with slightly inconsistent coupling heights...) but would agree that the Parkside NEM mounts are probably the way ahead here.
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On 18/05/2020 at 15:21, avonside1563 said:
Most of the heritage lines using steam worked propelling workings can't really be classed as having true driving trailers as the equipment in the vehicle is usually limited to a brake valve and possibly a means of communication with the locomotive, but no means to close the regulator. I would suggest that only vehicles that have a means of controlling the power as well as the brake can be classed as driving trailers.
The GCR (North) at Ruddington have a Mk2 BSO, which IIRC is fitted with a brake valve in this manner- Last time I was there a couple of years back we were propelled on the return trip, with the Austerity tank 0-6-0 tender conversion '2890', which was visiting at the time, rather than the 'top and tail' arrangement (HST 41001 + 33 ) used on my previous visit.
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On 12/04/2020 at 12:33, Ken.W said:
Anyone know what 'Cheltenham' was doing at Darlington?
Some sort of special I presume
RCTS 'East Midlander' railtour, 13th May 1962, Nottingham Victoria-Darlington. I've got a very vague memory of reading somewhere that Nottingham shed put it to use for a short time after the tour on local trains before returning it to the Southern region? Can anyone confirm the story, or am I completely imagining this?
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On 28/03/2020 at 09:28, trevor7598 said:
I think there will be a larger market for the Coronation Scot coaches if Hornby
introduce them for the BR era as well. There's two more liveries to be exploited.
At least we will see an open third as part of the range, albeit a specialist one.
An ordinary LMS open third is a glaring omission from the ranges of LMS
stock available in RTR, I am sure there would be a large market for the once
numerous TO.
Definitely- I'd be amazed if we don't see the Coronation Scot vehicles reappear in future catalogues in BR guise. Given that in the blog they mention the rest of the vehicles being done by modifying their existing tooling, with the RFO and kitchen car being all-new, it strikes me that they'd be missing a fairly open goal if they don't adapt the design work for these to tool up the more 'workaday' open coaches in the future as well.
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On 06/04/2020 at 07:52, Legend said:
Well I went down to Morrison’s and found BRM on the shelves . Don’t recall seeing it there before , but I maybe wrong, so I’m wondering if magazines are turning up in places they might not normally . Worth keeping an eye out when you’re doing the weekly shop just in case.
My local Morrison's (Coalville, N.W. Leics) has stocked BRM for a while- in fact it's been my usual source locally for a few years - funnily enough it;s local newsagents where I struggle to get a copy
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Essery also states that 500 were converted back to mineral wagons in 1945- if they were intended as a temporary expedient, then making the conversion as minimal as possible makes sense.
The book suggests that 346 of them became twin case wagons, as you mentioned, from 1942, and a further 154 pairs were split up and converted to flat case wagons around the same time.
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That's brilliant Tony, exactly what I was looking for! The interior view shows the bolster arrangement much more clearly than the LMS drawing, and the photos show the side doors removed, whereas the LMS drawing seemed to imply them being left in place
I've got a few Parkside RCH minerals in my wagon kit stash, and I can see a couple of them embarking on a whole new career as bolster wagons fairly shortly...
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missed a bit!
I don't quite run to half-a-dozen (IIRC 4 at last count, including my original from my teens circa 1980), but the CCT is definitely still a useful model.
Sticking with ex-LMS parcels stock, although it's been superceded by Hornby's take on the same vehicle, I never felt the urge to replace my Mainline/Bachmann LMS 50' BGs when the Hornby version appeared
Although it doesn't inhabit the same planet as modern RTR, I must admit I do like a bit of Wrenn- on the experience of my own Duchess and various Bulleids, 8Fs and 2-6-4Ts I've run belonging to former clubmates, they'll pull pretty much anything you'd want to hang on the back of them, and like the vintage Hornby Dublo they originate from, they do have a certain presence and charm of their own. As for maintaining them, I took a long break from modelling between my teens in the late 80's and the early 2000s, and pretty much the one loco that ran immediately straight from the box when I revived my teenage collection of Hornby, Mainline, AIrfix, Lima etc from about 15 years slumbering in a drawer, was my Wrenn 'City of London'.