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I agree, the livery used on the Y Gerallt Gymro when it was 57s and Mk2s with just the buffet being a mrk3 (with the doors painted in Arriva Turquoise) was even better looking than the one used today on the mrk3 set with the light-blue doors. Those mrk2s look great, and I'm rather partial to the ATW DVT as well. You seem to have done a good job of the mrk3s too, just a shame the real thing (and therefore your model) uses the lighter shade of blue on the doors. Of course you will need a second buffet car, one with the better-looking darker door colour, to go with the mrk2s. ATW had six mrk2s in the livery (I've seen one or two pictures of all six in use in one train, on rugby specials) and a load more which weren't.

RBE, it took me a while to spot the difference between your 47s! I think I perfer the first version, without the extra white band at the top. INTERCITY Swallow was one of my favorite liveries. Unfortunatly the nationalised East Coast franchise has not brought it back, and it wouldn't work with contrasting door colours. So, I've come up with a livery similar to Swallow that replaces the East Coast logos and stripe on their INTERCITY 225's new silver scheme with other vynals. In my opinion it looks a lot smarter than East Coast's livery, even though I didn't quite match the door colour to the upper bodyside sucessfully in my Photoshops. Also, please imagine the EAST COAST and INTERCITY text to be in the exact font the real Swallow livery (and Great Western Merlin) used. Original Image released under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial Licence by Carl Spencer. Original Image thanks to ECML180 (posted here).

Looks like there's still quite an area of yellow on the front ends, I'm wondering perhaps it would be allowed. I think that design looks good on the 37s, not so sure about the 66 though. Oh, and thanks for posting the original for the FGW 125mph Electrostar image.

Can you provide a link to the original image please? I'm interested to see what the image is based on, maybe a Hull Trains 180 or one of the new Turbostars. If that wasn't a Hull Trains 180 I'm amazed the dynamic lines are possible to Photoshop into existance, and would like to congratulate you on achiveing it. My own attempts with designing a First Great Western version of Alphaline livery have turned out rather poorly because of my inability to do such lines but I'll present the several designs I have done. Base image is the same as before. I started simple, with a very basic pair of blue-white-pink bands: The next version, 'Subtle Lines' is a single, taller, blue-white-pink band with blur: I was lazy and only did rest of the liveries on the front coach, so 'Subtle Lines' is left on the other coach The next two were done using some of the more interesting Photoshop brushes: The next one I call 'Misty Hills Lines', it's hard to see but the hills should be made of a pink-white-blue band Finally, two versions of a concept I call 'Town & Country Lines' (based on a mix of First Capitol Connect and my 'Misty Hills' concept): I would be interestered to hear if anyone would have liked any of these Alphaline livery concepts had they been done well, and if so which they would like the best.

I've always thought Alphaline was a great brand name, and since Alphaline services always been 158s the Class 158 'Express Sprinter' could well be Class 158 'Alphaline'. Anyway, what if some of today's operators refurbished some of their units with more comfortable seats and more legroom and garanteed the presence of a buffet trolley (at least between advertised stops on the route) and brought back the Alphaline brand for these trains? First of, Arriva Trains Wales' version of Alphaline livery: Or maybe this one? Now, what if Stena Line sponsered an increased service to Fishguard Harbour (connecting with their fast ferry). Also has FGW branding to allow the unit to run through Fishguard Harbour - Portsmouth Harbour services. The rear coach carries DB Wales' Alphaline livery, as shown on this image: Original (public domain) image by Peter Skuce. First Great Western versions of Alphaline livery might come in the future. To round off today's batch of Photoshops, DB are thinking of running ICE trains through the channel tunnel, why can't we have earlier ICE trains rather than ICE3s, the earlier ones look much better, even with yellow ends: Original image by S. Terfloth Creative Commons licence.

I was thinking I'd let others tackle this too... but since I did the other Kestrels here we go (same source image as before): EDIT: Just noticed I missed one of the buffers, just pretend it is orange not white. Second only to the Great Western Main Line on the list of electrification projects in Wales is probablly the Cardiff Valleys network, so here's some Electrostars liveried in Valley Lines livery in Cardiff. Based on Creative Commons images by Oxyman and Chris McKenna Based on Creative Commons images by Oxyman and Chris McKenna

I recently read about a Co-operative that intends to provide services from Yeovil Junction to the Midlands via Melksham, under open access rules. Not sure what stock they intend to use but read somewhere that it may be Wrexham & Shropshire style push-pull trains, which I assume means Mrk3 DVTs and coaches rather than Mrk2 coaches including DBSOs. I took the CO-OP's logo from their website and a base Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike image from wiki by Andy F. I tried mainly grey, red, blue and green versions of a posible livery, here are the blue and green: I've been on 2-car 175s running the Milford Haven - Manchester service a couple of times and they have been rather overcrowded. Therefore there are probablly too few 3-car sets so what about abandoning the idea of a uniform fleet on that run and bringing in some 100mph class 47/7s re-fitted to work push-pull trains with Mrk2 DBSOs alongside the 3-car 175s? I think Arriva's standard livery is rather drab so I based this one on the much smarter WAG express livery instead. Ah, but DB own Arriva now, so... To round off this batch of photoshops, here's the same train in some BR liveries: Original images by Matt Davis (Creative Commons) and EliminatorJR (Public Domain).

Sombody asked what if Kestrel's class had been put into production? Well, here's my attempt at some possibilities, original image uploaded to wikimedia Commons, under creative commons license, by Oxyman - Author: Phil Sangwell. First, HS4000 itself in BR Blue: 2nd in class, 59002 'Harrier' in BR Large Logo Blue: 59001 'Kestrel' in Intercity Swallow: I really have trouble with perspective (for text and nameplates etc.)

I'm not really old enough to remember BR very well, and didn't see that much of it when it was still around, but from what I do remember (and mainly photographs and models) they did come up with some great liveries for modern image stock (steam wise I perfer some of the big 4's liveries). Having all the stock in BR blue with little variety does sound like it would get boring, although I was not around to see that for myself. INTERCITY Swallow has to be one of my favorites but I like many liveries (even a few from the currunt era of frequent livery changes) when they are applied to the right stock. The design of some types of stock (mostly types made since BR shut-up shop) can make making them look smart difficult, for example I tried putting the smart WAG Express livery on a 175 in Photoshop and it refuses to look smart. Anyway, a photoshop, I felt Wrexham and Shropshire's silver DVTs could sit a little better with the blue&grey passenger stock so I modified it a bit: Original image by Oxyman, Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike License Of course W&SMR later introduced matching silver Mrk3s, explaining the livery on the DVTs and 67s.

What if Great Western Trains still survived unchanged until receving the Greater Western franchise? Original image by Chris McKenna - Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike Original image by Peter Skuce - Public Domain. Original image by Peter Skuce - Public Domain.

The Virgin livery makes the 67 look quite good, but the Voyagers look marginally better I think. By what everyone says that is only thing that the Voyagers win on (though I've yet to travel on one myself). Some 100mph + push-pull capable diesel locomotives and DVTs/DBSOs would be very useful right now, for example for getting rid of the over-crowded 2-car 175s on Milford Haven - Manchester trips (new intermediate coaches wouldn't even be needed, there's probablly still quite a lot of Mrk2, and possibly Mrk3, stock out of use).

Thanks. Here we go, as I said not a great photoshop (mostly because my addition of text and stripes is poor), I just wanted to show the idea of using IC125 instead of ICE: Original image by Steven Crozier.

That looks really good, much better than my attempt (on an Intercity 125). If I'm allowed to I would like to post mine though (based on this image). The real XC livery does look rather good but due to the pink doors I have to say the ICE livery you have there (assuming the doors are red at the top not just at the bottom, which I can't quite tell from the pic) looks better. Well, that makes the most boring trains round here look a little better, Arriva's standard livery almost always looks a bit drab. The darker colouration of the WAG express is quite smart though. Quality of the image edit is good too, as normal. By the way, is Arriva livery really not being replaced or is it expected to disapear after a while?

If you are right, then according to Wikipedia Eurostars are not allowed in the tunnel, being 394 metres long (320 metres for North Of London sets). Probablly Wikipedia's mistake, not yours. Nice work with the photoshoping by the way. What about Thalys trains? you said ICE3s are the only trains likely to be used by DB, but what about other operators, is anyone else likely to try to run services through from mainland Europe if the tunnel rules are relaxed? Thanks for the tips, however I asked somewhere before and suggested linking to the original image as a form of attribution but was told I actually had to try and contact the author to obtain permission. Therefore in the case of the 5-WES trains above I waited for the base images to be provided for the purpose in the topic. Assuming I don't need to ask for permission on creative commons images there's still an issue with many of my photoshops. This is that that I obtained certain logos from all over the place, would I need to track the sources of these down too? (The only reason I can think of for not having to track them down is that maybe once I've got down to just the logo it becomes the work/copywrite of the relevent company, in which case, seeing as everyone else here seems to be getting away with it, there isn't a problem using them for our purposes.)

Considering you're using paint that is an amazing job, even with Photoshop mine failed to deliver (as you saw in the other thread). For the rest of you, here are some of my attempts here, here and here to be precise. (Base images provided for me to edit in another thread.) As you can see I didn't have any Pullman logos, which would have replaced the South West Trains logo, I also would have not named the coaches, instead putting "Southern" in the name place to identify the operator (since operators tend not to like leaving their name off the stock). The last image is supossed to be based on the Blue Pullman by the way. That image seems to indicate that the 67 would look very good in this livery if it was done for real, nice. Am I right in saying the rules regarding channel tunnel saftey have been deemed over the top and dropped? If so I vote for Thalys trains to St Pancras, not the ICE-3s we seem to be getting since they don't look very attractive to me. The earlier ICE trains (ICE-1 or ICE-2 I don't know, maybe they look the same?) look smart but not so the ICE-3s. So, does anyone want to have a go at doing a Thalys/ICE with yellow ends for running in Britain? I did Thalys PBA and PBKA myself but as I found the base images online I can't show you due to copywrite, my disclamer isn't good enough apparentlly. I did a Eurostar power car in Thalys livery too, same story.

Well, it's a very poor quality job and somebody else will probablly be able to do better but here you go:

I've never noticed this on a 395 before but it says "Britain's Fastest", Britain's fastest what? Not train that's for sure, Eurostar and APT are both faster and if you are talking speed records the Intercity 225 is as well since I don't think the 395 has ever tried a record run. Looks really good actually, only thing is maybe it would look even better if the yellow didn't extend above the cab (because that narrow window above the rest sticking up into the yellow doesn't look right.) Not really enough for the Virgin logo between the door and the red and white bit, especially on the 158 (although you haven't put logos on that anyway). Therefore I think the logo might look better on the silver area underneath the first window to the rear of the door, almost right behind that post on the Desiro pic. Also, I hear talk of templates, what is your method of doing this? I don't use templates on mine, I normally select the area to be changed with the magnectic lasso and then use the replace colour or somtimes levels tool to change the colour. Talking of mine, is it alright just to post a link to the source of the original image or would I have to ask permission to use it (in which case I don't think you'll be seeing any of mine)? Would I need to do the same for the images I've pulled logos off to put on the unit I've photoshopped?

When I last ran it my painner was running in jerks too. Seemed like the con-rods were jaming on somthing and locking the wheels at one point in their cycle, that probablly isn't what is happening but it is what it looks like. Does this sound like your problem?

Before I post some of my photoshops I'd like to give some background. Many of my photoshops are based on Traws Cambria Richards Brothers livery, as used on the X50 service between Cardigan and Aberystyth. They are probablly my favorite buses (I'm over 6ft tall and they seem to have more legroom than any other bus I've ever been on). Pics of these buses can be found here and here. Richards Brothers is a local bus company round here and Traws Cambria is a Welsh Assembally initative of some sort. First, Arriva and Stagecoach also have Traws Cambria branded buses. Anyway, I thought, what if the assembaly introduced Traws Cambria to the railways as well as the buses? Richards Brothers has it's main depot in Cardigan, so I made the destination boards on some of these trains say Cardigan. I did post some of these images here, under the following disclaimer: but: got an Admin note saying: ["You simply cannot do that, there's enough written on copyright on this forum and what you can and cannot do surrounding it."] Anyway, the thread has now reach ten pages and I've started crediting images in a more propper fashion and am going to use this post to list my photoshops in this thread. I hope the page numbers and links are correct and remain so. Chiltern Railways Mrk3 train -...............................................................................- Page 3 Intercity 125 in ICE livery -......................................................................................- Page 4 Great Western Trains 158, 143 and 153 -..........................................................- Page 5 Wrexham & Shropshire DVT with blue-grey extended from coaches -.........- Page 8 What if a whole class of locos were born from Kestrel? -...............................- Page 9 GO! CO-OP Mrk3s -.................................................................................................- Page 9 Mrk2 DBSO with Class 47/7 loco in various liveries -......................................- Page 9 Kestrel in Load Haul livery -..................................................................................- Page 10 Electrostar units at Cardiff Central (Valley Lines Livery) -...............................- Page 10 Alphaline liveries today - part 1 -..........................................................................- Page 11 ICE1 with UK yellow ends -...................................................................................- Page 11 Alphaline liveries today - part 2 - First Great Western -....................................-Page 12 INTERCITY Swallow - 2010 version on class 91 and mrk4s -......................-Page 13

Thanks, so most of the line was once double track except the stretch between Trecwn and Fishguard & Goodwick station, only thing is why the bridges at Wolfscastle and the Mathry Road bus stop look like they aren't wide enough (the one at Mathry Road looks like it has had it's top replaced by a new single track one though). That explains that, I understand why trains can't pass at the Trecwn loop now, thanks for that. Is the 158 available for extra Fishguard services during the day though? And I assumed, incorrectly it seems, that DVTs could control most classes of loco. Wouldn't having a service to connect with at Carmarthen cause problems with the bottleneck, or are there services to connect with already? Virgin Carmarthen service???? Also as far as my experience goes the trains to Milford are (almost?) exclusivlly class 175s (train spotting from the college windows in Haverfordwest might be more interesting if there was a little more variety), so that's sometimes a 3-car set (I have been crammed against the door in an overflowing 2-car 175 though, so maybe all the 175s should have been given at least 3-cars).

Why couldn't it be used for passing trains? Interesting to hear it's been repaired, can't think what their planning to use it for unless they are introducing new services and it can be used as a passing place. I was in a cafe in Fishguard some time ago and they had a 'Fishguard Trains Petition' which I signed, guess that's the group you're talking about. Also, why would they need an additional DMU? Some time ago I had a look on the web to see where the Arriva units were used and if I remember rightly 158s (what you said you traveled on) aren't used on the local peak Cardiff service anyway (I think it said they were used on the Aberystyth/Porthmadog lines). There's also the Class 57 loco-hauled train from Cardiff to Holyhead, if they could get hold of a single DVT for the end of the train (or bypass both Swansea and Carmarthen) maybe they could extend that service to Fishguard. I thought the best way of going about it though was to add a second sprinter to the Pembroke Dock service and spilt it at Whitland (so there are no additional service running through the single track bottleneck at Gowerton).

I thought I saw a passing loop at the Trecwn junction on Google earth last night, thanks for confirming that. Thanks, useful information. So 60mph max speed limit, that still dosen't quite explain why the Fishguard train only averages 46 with only 4 stops though, the East Coast travel planner even shows the Carmarthen - Cardiff journey time as 3 miniutes slower than a train that calls at several more stations, including Swansea. Also interesting that the Maencloclog line was destroyed by the RAF, not just pulled up to make use of the materials. On the subject of double track... I think I saw this photograph at Scolton Manor and I've just found similar pictures (perhaps even the same one) online, looks like there are at least 3 passenger platforms, maybe even as many as 5, plus alot of frieght sidings. Here's one of those pictures, this one isn't the one I saw at Scolton but have a look at the other images too. With that amount of traffic I find it hard to beleive the line wasn't double track at the time. Interesting you all seem to think it was only single.

So now I know for sure, Intercity 125s were run to Fishguard, still a little fuzzy on the issue of double track but anyway, thanks everyone. I have a new question, what's the speed limit on the line? The Wales RUS only gives a range (40-75mph) and I expected the limit to be towards the higher end of that. However I've been trying to plan a route to Havant that's faster than the car and according to the National Rail website the time taken for Fishguard - Newport is somthing like 2hr 50min. I just did a rough measurement on Google Earth (almost to the river Severn, but my lines were straighter than the railway) and came up with roughly 140 miles, I make that an average speed of just 46mph, with only 4 station stops en-route!

Thanks, I guess that confirms my assumption. Again, thanks for confirming my assumption. 1993, BR was running Swallow 125s to Fishgaurd then? And yeah, Fishguard services are now run by ATW, so no Intercity 125s anymore. Although: a fictious picture of course, I based the livery on the one used on the Cardiff - Holyhead loco-hauled train. I'd rather have Merlin or Swallow HSTs return though. Intercity 125s are still used on the Pembroke Dock run actually, summer Saturdays only though. Here's a shot of the summer Saturday HST to Pembroke Dock at Whitland: (This particular image was actually taken by me, and was the original image that I photoshoped to make the Arriva liveried HST above.)

I've been Google-ing to try and confirm my assumption that Great Western Trains and later First Great Western services to Fishguard Harbour were run by Intercity 125s. However I have found no images or writen articles that confirm this, so have Intercity 125s actually been used on the Fishguard service or is my assumption incorrect? If these trains have been used on Fishguard services was that a regular occourance at the time? Also, and I doubt this, did BR ever use Intercity 125s on the service? In an old photograph I have seen of Fishguard Harbour station (from GWR times) the station was very busy, therefore I assume the line was double track right through to Whitland, and beyond, at the time. However, I travel to college passing alongside the line in places and the bridges don't appear wide enough for double track, have the original bridges been replaced with single track ones?