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Does anyone have experience of fitting Kadees to these? I've got 3 , but have looked, swallowed, and ducked the issue so far. Another item on my "outstanding jobs" list....

Just hoping whoever produces CoT does a ltd edition in 1984-85 livery

And very handsome it looked too!

Can't remember how early you are going but Parkside does an LNER 6-plank merchandise wagon and Cambrian does the LMS 1666 (over 54,000 of those!). You'll find the Cambrian one fun if you found Ratio tricky .

 

Coal should be in Felix Pole wagons (hard to find) or PO wagons (of which Parkside sell the best) mainly on the GW, the LMS and LNER though owned quite a few of their own RCH type minerals with t-section end stantions, you can also do some of these from the Parkside kit. I would say have a look at mine but then I never use the underpinnings..

Well: "Felix Pole" minerals (steel 21T wagons) were largely used for the S. Wales coal trade and therefore most never got further than the docks at Cardiff or Newport (their replacements, the MDVs, were often branded "Not to work outside S Wales and Monmouthshire") . Hornby do a 21 T steel mineral (ex Dapol) which is I think a pretty decent representation of an N32 , and their older 21T steel mineral - frequently found in secondhand trays - is based on the same wagon. With a new chassis (Parkside RCH 12' wb) you can upgrade the earlier Hornby wagon and repaint . I've done it twice. But at the current "market price" for such second hand wagons (about ??4) , plus wheels and new chassis , you're close to the price of the better ex Dapol model new

And the bulk of the mineral wagons clearly were wooden PO wagons. Quite possibly from Northern collieries - eg household coal for southern England from S. Yorks or notts pits via Annesley/Wath, the GC, Woodford Halse, and Banbury routing

The bulk of the LNER owned mineral fleet were 20T wooden hoppers, ex NER, and running in the North East. They didn't wander much

Invest in half a dozen of the Slaters 1905 RCH mineral kits : they're often available with pre-painted sides

Remember that after WW1 most wagons were "Common User" , so all companies' fleets mixed indiscriminately. That means the typical mix for vans and opens reflects the proportion of the national fleet from each Group - I think the figures were LMS 8: LNER 7 : GW 2 : SR 1 . In short , on the GW , most vans and opens would be LMS or LNER vehicles. There's a sardonic caption in the "Southern Wagons" book - "this photograph shows a common phenomenon - a Southern goods train without any Southern wagons in it" . Look at the national ratios and you realise why

I have a feeling the Parkside 5 plank LNER wagon is wartime build - as far as I know the pre war LNER 6 plank is only available from ABS as a whitemetal kit , and getting hold of ABS is not easy either. His stand at Warley is the best bet , which is no help if you live outside the UK. Parkside also do the ex LNER steel High - which dates from 1945

The Mogo has seperate solebars. I think the same applies to the LMS van.

I've built the 5 plank GW and it went together ok . I can't remember what I did, so it can't have been too bad . But I did use Hornby wheels as Gibson wheels are arguably a little fine unless you build your track to EM flangeways

Hasving built the kit , my nomination for worst kit I've ever built isn't this one - the original unretooled Cambrian Walrus is ten lengths in front

Yeah, I, too have been wondering how you could possibly fit a full 18 carriage H0 scale Eurostar onto any layout . It would look awesome without any doubt, but I don't think there are that many layouts actually large enough for trains like this one. That being said, I did think about getting a full Eurostar set, should it ever be put back in production, though before I were to do so I would have to check where I might actually display it!

 

 

 

 

 

Was it really a Duplex set? The only TGV sets I know to have been inscribed with the Lyria brand were several PSE ones, but this may well have changed by now. Interestingly, Geneva can, to my knowledge, be reached from the French side under 1.5 kV DC, so no specially fitted sets are required for services terminating there.

I was upstairs, so I'm pretty sure of this. And it was certainly headlined "TGV Lyra" on the SNCF printed timetables and I think on the departure boards

I would suggest that would be a very small part of sales if there are two suppliers making the same vehicle and one is "better" (ie more accurate) than the other and the price difference is relatively minor.

 

For example, if you want some 4 wheel oil tankers (TTA) you can have either the Hornby (30 odd year old(?)) version or the more recent Bachmann one. Given the choice of these I would reckon most modellers would go for the Bachmann one. Might be a different story if you have a stock of Hornby ones already, and the time to do them up, but even then I think there would be plenty modellers "trading up".

 

Cheers,

 

26power

 

 

Having been in that situation - if you want a twin walkway or other conversion and have bits in stock , it can be worth it. I reworked a new Railroad TTA - it happened to have the livery I needed and with a new data panel, etched walkway and reworked chassis the result was good. Cost ??3-50, as opposed to ??8 . By the time youve hacked the ends out for a bitumen tank (say) and resprayed the thing, the benefits of going Bachmann are starting to erode

I see the new Hornby Railroad YGB Sealion is out

 

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Might not be perfectly accurate, but as always, when run in a train from a few feet away* it really looks the part. Hornby should be commended for supporting the modern modeller.

 

Jon

*eighty or so.

However with a new Parkside 12' chassis and a repaint you can get an ex GW N32 Felix Pole mineral . Not sure its worth it in view of a rather finer rendition being available in the main range with a reasonable chassis , but I've done it with a cheap second hand one lying around (the SC and Cory versions are potentially accurate liveries)

Whether a pseudo ex LNER 12 clasp brake underframe has any real use I don't know

... and what it'll cost? I know it may seem a bit early to pin down the price to the last penny, but I'm guessing that the shrewd bods at Model Rail and Dapol will have a pretty good idea of what the damage will be.

And how much will it pull? I have a NuCast one on a Tenshodo and "itself, reliably " would be a good start.....

This will be a useful loco for the LNER modeller but it may be necessary to pay attention to the grills - there were quite a lot of variations as extra ventilation was added to successive batches for the benefit of the crew

I've yet to see a foreign HST in 4 mm scale though Although it's the dominant scale in the UK, frankly, you're weird (no offense!) to us Continentals

I was commenting in the context of modelling the Paris /London high speed main line. Or even parts of the old route on this side . If you decided to choose Ebbsfleet (say) , I don't think HO is an option. If you model Calais - what do you do about the 92s, which aren't available in HO? And whether its a 4mm Eurostar or an HO one its still terrifyingly long as a model . That might force you into N in any case. There's still a difference in scale between British N and Continental N, buyt its much less and in the context of the Kato Eurostar there seems to be a polite agreement to ignore the issue.

Turned another way - under what circumstances and on what layout can you run a sensible looking TGV or Eurostar in either HO or 4mm?

One reason for the extra shoes may be to have enough in contact where there are gaps in the conductor rail. I remember before the Tunnel opened hearing it said that the French design engineers were having problems designing the things so they could get through Ashford without stalling - there were so many conductor rail gaps in the station area that someone had calculated the train would be on power for just 19 seconds in the Ashford area . As far as I can recall the argument was that the train could not draw power while there was a gap anywhere under it , since if it pulled in 750V from a limited number of shoes , the current flow would be so great that arcing would probably weld the remaining shoes to the conductor rail! (The consequences for train services in Kent of welding a Eurostar to the rails in Ashford would have been pretty serious..)

What you are describing as TGV Duplex (the double deckers) seem to be branded as TGV Lyra in the SNCF public timetables , and certainly run into Switzerland as well as destinations on TGV Sud Est. I travelled on TGV Lyra stock from Paris Lyon to Geneva Cornavin and back a few years ago. The livery is the same as your Est set

From a more narrowly British perspective, the sets used on LGV Nord are TGV Reseau and Thalys , so if you wanted to model some part of the London/Paris main line , these and a Eurostar would be the signature items. Which location on the route would be the easiest (or least unmodelable) is an interesting question. Calais - Frethun (ie the area immediately beyond the French portal) might be a candidate. However I suspect it would have to be in N - the high speed sets are all frighteningly long in HO or 4mm

What exactly is the problem with the bogies? I'm not in the market for any of these wagons as they are no use on Blacklade and my involvement with any club project may be limited . However I can't make out whether people say saying "they are the wrong type of bogie" or whether people feel they're the right type of bogie but inadequetely rendered