Silver Sidelines

3 hours ago, micklner said:

. Or does the lining look Orange on your model to your eyes, in daylight ?.

Hello Mick - I have posted three pictures above.  The first is a comparison of R3995 and R3996 under LED lighting.

The second picture is taken on the kitchen table in daylight - again a comparison of R3995 and R3996.

The third picture is a comparison of R3996 (the latest Stewart) and my own version of Stewart renamed from R2847 (Clan McLeod).

I understand that colours appear appear differently according to the type of illumination.  However in my opinion there is a noticeable difference between the old and new Clan models under both LED lighting and in daylight.  Personnally I think the lining all along the footplate is too bright but as I have said on Flickr - by the time the model is on the layout and running round I don't think it will be as big a problem as the green top to the running plate.

There was another comment made about the buffers being newly tooled.  I don't know what that is about - old and new buffers all look the same to my untutored eye.  (All explained now - there is a step in the shiny metal shank (or not as the case maybe).  I was looking at the step in the red plastic moulding.  Thank you cji).

Cheers

Ray

I feel I need to address those comments suggesting that my model is somehow a 'reject'.  I have this morning received a replacement Clan McDonlad from a different retailer to the one that provided Clan Stewart.  I have loaded some comparison pictures, one taken on the layout in artificial light and a couple taken in daylight.  I would say both Stewart and McDonald have identical paint finishes which are significicantly different to the older Clan McLeod (renamed Clan Stewart).  These are all still taken with my Sony DSC camera. 

Clan McDonald + Clan Stewart (R3995 + R3996) LED lighting

Clan Stewart R3996 + Clan McDonald R3995 Daylight

Clan Stewart alias Clan Mcleod + Clan Stewart Daylight

51 minutes ago, JaymzHatstand said:

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I dealt with the rather flat shade of 71000 with a coat of Kleer, I wonder if something similar would work for the Clan. I'll pass further judgement on Friday when I pick mine up from Monk Bar.

 

 

For completeness a view of Clan Stewart against Duke of Gloucester:

Clan Stewart + Duke of Glouester

I shall stop now and await pictures from other members.  My images are taken in artificial light (LEDs) using a Sony Camera.  Images in daylight with another make of camera will be different.  However I doubt that changing the  lighting and cameras will make all the Hornby shades of green the same.

Cheers Ray

Washing up finished!

Some more pictures of R3996 against a few older models.

As has been said previously the footplate lining seems awful yellow and the green is certainly different to previous models.

Clan Stewart R3996 + Clan Stewart alias Clan McLeod

Shades of Green and Yellow

Clan Stewart + City of Birmingham

Clan  Stewart + Black Prince

Cheers  Ray

11 minutes ago, creilly81 said:

What I meant was, the picture itself isn’t right because there is a huge difference in the one of the left which is the up to date model, and how the model actually looks in the flesh.

 

I’ve seen the actual newly released model for myself and the green is nothing like the light green depicted in the picture nor is the lining yellow as the picture suggests.

 

the actual model looks extremely accurate….

It is what it is!  Lighting and colour is always difficult.  I will take some pictures when I have finished the washing up.

My immediate reaction on unboxing both new Clan models was that the lining along the footplate was too yellow and as others have said the lining on the cab is different in colour to the lining on the tender.  The shade of green is also lighter than the old Sanda Kahn Britannia and Clan models.

Cheers Ray

41 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

 

 

 (members may recall that I was ridiculed in the Ebay Madness thread for paying 'silly money' for a Clan some time ago).

 

 

 

 

I do remember John - well done.  It is a long time since I weathered a model but sometimes needs must.

I wonder if you kept up with my Blog Posts?  There were three Posts this summer about converting 'Britannieas and Clans' into models not produced by Hornby.

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/25047-no-166-a-tale-of-two-Hornby-super-detail-‘britannias’-plus-a-clan-postscript/

Cheers

Ray

2 minutes ago, Downer said:

Thought so, but wanted to be sure.  I hope - probably in vain - that 72004 will be a more accurate colour.  If not….

 

 

 

 

If 72004 is R3995 then the colours and footplate are identical with R3996.  I haven't a picture because it is on its way back to the retailer because his packaging had lost out to Royal Mail.

Cheers Ray

18 minutes ago, Downer said:

which is which?

The clue is the green painted cylinders as per Hornby advertising literature.

Ray

Something to colour your thoughts!  Reminds me of a 'Night Owl'.

Hornby R3996 next to one that I made earlier.

Buy it direct for....  I do believe that Olivia's Trains still has a stock for less than Peter's Spares and Jane's Trains are still quoting less than £300.

City of Leicester is a weighty beast and trundles up and down and round and about my layout without any need to change the controller settings. I am well pleased with it.   There is a video:

This is my second attempt at finding a model.  The first arrived with bits in the box.  The retailer's outer cardboard box was skin tight and it was obvious that Royal Mail had tossed the parcel around - the shock being transmitted directly to the Hornby blue box and vacuum packaging.  The tiny bit of broken plastic in the picture below was off the frame extension beneath the smoke box door - one was broken the other was unglued.

10 hours ago, Kingfisher60024 said:

..... broken brake rigging........t the coupling rods on the firemans side bent.

 

Thank you for posting your experiences.  My first  Early Emblem model had bent coupling rods and broken brake rigging and some of the bottoms torn off the brake hangers. 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/141587-oxford-rail-announce-j27-at-toy-fair/&do=findComment&comment=4527880

My Oxford box had been well wrapped for UK postage but the outer cardboard box had still been bruised by Royal Mail.  Your comments supported by others might suggest the damage occured much further back before the models reached the uK?  They must have taken a mighty big drop to push what is a rather lightweight model sideways with such force that the vacuum packaging bent the rods?

Strange times

Ray

32 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said:

 

Can't beat  a decent bit of dry stone walling.

Or would it be drystane dyking?

Ray

1 hour ago, D9020 Nimbus said:

.. one of the last workings was on the ex-NBR Wansbeck line (Morpeth–Woodburn).

Good point - I have an OK Rollem CD with a recording of 65874 at Angerton climbing to Woodburn in September 1966 with track lifting equipment.

Thanks Ray

The J26s were almost all based around Teesside.  As a youngster in short trousers I 'spotted' all of them. They were supplemented by the J27s which were based all over NE England.  Yes these engines hauled coal but Teeside did not have coal mines.  It was a centre for steel making, shipbuilding and of course 'The ICI' with chemical factories in Billingham and later Redcar.  By the 1960s a lot of coal and coke was being moved in hopper wagons rather than the smaller wood plank wagons.  All the above factories would generate 'mixed' freight. 

The biggest branchline on Teesside was the Esk Valley line to Whitby.  I woud be surprised if J26s and J27s were not used on this route.  Up until the 1960s there was branch line to Guisborough and then there was Skinningrove (another Iron and steel works) along with the coastal route to Loftus and Whitby.  There were also iron stone mines at Carlin Howe.  Q6s were also very common and would be required for the heavier trains.  Thinking further afield at lines radiating out of Darlington there were branches to Bishop Auckland and the cross country route to Stainmore with a Branch to Barnard Castle.

Lots of places to research for pictures.

Cheers Ray

Further to my post above I should add the leaflet is from my replacement model.  My first model arrived in bits, not so much as kit of parts because the brake rodding had been torn off with bits of the hangers.  There was much else wrong, chimney, smoke box dart all smashed. I have never seen bent connecting rods before.  It would appear that at some point in its travels the model had been dropped (from a great height?) but since the outer box was imaculate there isn't really any clue as to where or when the damage occured.  Well done my supplier for providing a replacement.

Do I get the prize?  Opened my BR J27 today and read the instruction leaflet.  Seemingly 'Oxford Rail locomotives are precision built' and again 'Oxford Rail locomotives are carefully engineered'.  Anyway how many others of you have spotted the deliberate error at the top of the instructions?  I would say that something hasn't been carefully checked.

18 minutes ago, Downer said:

Anyone remember what a Clan sounds like? More specifically, would the Britannia TTS sound decoder - reservations about TTS in general notwithstanding - be close enough?

Good question Downer.  Short answer I cannot remember,   I would only have heard them draw away from perhaps Carlisle and that genearlly didn't require much effort.  Clan, Britannia, both two cylinder locomotives.  Both British Railways Standards.  I would have been a good match.  I find it difficult to distinguish many of the steam decoder sounds to the point that I have bought some CDs to play in the background.  Diesel decoders seem to be far more obviously engine specific.

Regards

Ray

2 hours ago, atom3624 said:

Just a question.

 

Did 70k Brit ever wear that design of 'no intrusion / blockage' smoke deflector (without handrails)?

 

Yes of course - you are not keeping up!  Here again is the link to my Blog   https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/25040-a-tale-of-two-Hornby-super-detail-‘britannias’-plus-a-clan-part-2/ which has some 1960s pictures with BR (LMR) type deflectors (and no air pump).

Cheers Ray

On 06/02/2021 at 15:02, paul 27 said:

Looking for a recent model  BR livery has this been made with a speedo cable,  

only seen the earlier 50s version without., i see R3643  is now fitted with one.

 

 

A bit late in the day with an answer, but the Britannia out of the Silver Jubilee boxed set (R3049) has a speedometer drive.  I have just finished converting one to 1960s specification.  I think it is nearly very good but it has still got raised sand box lids which I believe it never received in British Railways days.  You can read a recent Post on my Blog  https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/25040-a-tale-of-two-Hornby-super-detail-‘britannias’-plus-a-clan-part-2/

Hornby Britannia pt R3094 back dated to 1960.

On 05/01/2021 at 19:18, brushman47544 said:

 

The cylinder covers are painted green on the late crest version 72009. Can anyone date the loco in this form please? I didn’t get one first time round but now I want one that was in a 1960s livery.

A bit late in the day replying to your question.  But when in the 1960s?  I believe that Stewart started the 60s still with its Early Emblem but that it received a Late Crest and had its top lamp iron lowered in 1963.  I have just been rebadging McLeod as Stewart.  I am well pleased.  You can read about  it on my Blog  https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/25047-no-166-a-tale-of-two-Hornby-super-detail-‘britannias’-plus-a-clan-postscript/

A taster: 

Clan Stewart alias R2847 Clan McLeod iaws running in 1960.

9 hours ago, Brit70053 said:

 

Any advice would be gratefully received.

 

 Hello John

Perhaps not so much what glue but perhaps where are your trying to glue it.  There should be a pair of rectangular openings underneath the running plate to push the speedo brakcet into.  You need to bear in mind that the bracket straddles the reversing lever and that the 'third leg' is actually the drive and not part of the support mechanism.

When I came to refit my bracket I had to clean Hornby's glue out of the little rectanglular pockets.  I used Wilkinson's super glue to fix it in position.

Good luck

Ray

17 minutes ago, melmerby said:

According to the Hornby Guide it first appeared in 1958 as R226 in SR green

 

Seems about right although I would have put it a year earlier.  I have already posted a picture of my R227  - the red one which must have been issued at the same time. 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/160561-Hornby-2021-sr-bogie-luggage-van/&do=findComment&comment=4423641

I do remember that when new the model had the old fashioned Rovex coupling with a lifting hook and half bar all held together with a single horizontal rivet.   Sixty plus years ago.

Cheers Ray

This really is history!  Bachmann have used 'red' grease at various points in time so perhaps from the factory not the previous owner.

Now there's a question - do any of these models have five pole motors?

As to rerouting wires - is that not just a soldering iron job?

Enjoy, cheers Ray

Having unboxed my luggage vans I have given then a run around the layout.  The body shells may be fantastic reproductions but 'mind the gap'.  Three pictures below showing the spacing between vehicles, first out of the box with Hornby couplings, then with Bachmann short straight couplings and finally with Roco  40270.  I have added a video taken in the late 1950s perhaps near Bristol.  From what has been said above about painting Mk1 BGs my rake of parcels vans would have been highly unlikely.  I do wonder about the shade of Hornby maroon?

Hornby ex SR luggage vans with standard Hornby couplings

Hornby ex SR luggage vans with Bachmann short straight couplings

Hornby ex SR luggage vans with Roco 40270 couplings