cheesysmith Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 Anybody know if msl do the bogie sideframes as a separate part? No response so far to e-mail. If not, does anybody know where or how to get a correct scale bogie sideframe from? I was looking at the 3d printed masters and the castings done for mr hollywood foundry did, and wished someonedid the same for the em2. If I can get sideframes, the project is a goer, these are the only thing holding me up. Cheesy PS-Wish someone did a cab etch for the em1, in 4mm scale, like they do for the 2mm em1. There is something about the dc kits window that don`t seem right on all the compleated ones I`ve seen. Plus, cut out a square, glaze with a square offcut from a ferero rochea box, having first HAD to eat said chocs , the etch over top, voila, flushglaze. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gresley Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Anybody know if msl do the bogie sideframes as a separate part? No response so far to e-mail. If not, does anybody know where or how to get a correct scale bogie sideframe from? I was looking at the 3d printed masters and the castings done for mr hollywood foundry did, and wished someonedid the same for the em2. If I can get sideframes, the project is a goer, these are the only thing holding me up. Cheesy PS-Wish someone did a cab etch for the em1, in 4mm scale, like they do for the 2mm em1. There is something about the dc kits window that don`t seem right on all the compleated ones I`ve seen. Plus, cut out a square, glaze with a square offcut from a ferero rochea box, having first HAD to eat said chocs , the etch over top, voila, flushglaze. Hi Cheesy, Regarding your comment on the DC Kits window. Have you compared the windows of 26000 with the others ? Don't forget that 26000 was the original prewar loco and differed from the later production ones. I haven't seen the kits, but I did work on the bodies of the EM1s and EM2s when they were being built - long time ago. I was in the C&W Dept at Dukinfield and they were in the next bay of the workshops, where MetroVicks were installing the electric motors, etc. gresley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixie Dean Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I also have 2 EM2s that I would like to upgrade. I want the locos to be able to pull a 5 coaches/wagons up 1 in 36, work off DCC and on code 75 track. What options would you recommend? I am not sure I want to go to the entent of new bogies. So should I have the motor reworked and remagnatised, perhaps with 5 pole armature, have the wheels reprofiled or replaced with Ultrascale. Also which chip should I have fitted? Any suggestions would be gratefully received. I also have an APT I would like to do the same to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I also have 2 EM2s that I would like to upgrade. I want the locos to be able to pull a 5 coaches/wagons up 1 in 36, work off DCC and on code 75 track. What options would you recommend? I am not sure I want to go to the entent of new bogies. So should I have the motor reworked and remagnatised, perhaps with 5 pole armature, have the wheels reprofiled or replaced with Ultrascale. Also which chip should I have fitted? Any suggestions would be gratefully received. I also have an APT I would like to do the same to. Hi DD, I would suggest giving the existing bogies a try out first. If the motors are in good order, the biggest problem you will have is lack of adhesion. These bogies are designed to work with 'magnadhesion' on steel track, so losing that effect has a big impact on haulage capability. It can be overcome though simply by adding weight to the loco, several years ago I did a test on a 37 with the same motor configuration, weighted up to over a pound it would pull another 37 wired the opposite way and around 8 coaches! Try to get the weight as much in the motor bogie end as possible and ALWAYS have the motor bogie at the rear, if any weight transfer takes place it adds to the adhehsive weight. I have found erratic running problems can occur if the power bogie is at the front, as the load being hauled will tend to lift the wheels slightly causing intermittent pickup. Depending on the age of your locos the flanges may be a little too deep for code 75, so try it out and see. Regarding replacements and DCC chips, not something I have experience of, perhaps others can advise? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class77Em2Green Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hi i'm just wondering about Triang EM2 27003 'Diana', and seeing if it is rare or not. And if so how rare Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Well, if it has that name/number, it's not original so the value will depend on condition, the quality of the renaming and any repainting/detailing. The RTR version (R351) was only ever made as 27000 Electra, but the kit version (R388) came with a choice of 27002 Aurora or 27006 Pandora to be applied by means of self-adhesive labels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class77Em2Green Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 So if the locomotive i have got, is a custom version based on R351 and not the original. So how much would it sell for if i was going to sell it (which i'm not). And it has got the Triang name underneath the locomotive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 It may be of interest that Ultrascale did a replacemant wheel pack for the Triang Co-Co power and trailing bogies, although I don't know if this is still available. This does get round the issue of old style flanges on modern track. My two EM2's run quite well with this upgrade - though not to modern state of the art standards - but then you have to remember that the design is getting on for its half century! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28XX Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I too am building a super-detailed EM2. I want to convert to 10 wheel pick up, but I can't get the plastic wheels out of the non-powered bogie for fear of breaking it. Has anyone got any tips? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 My two EM2's run quite well with this upgrade - though not to modern state of the art standards - but then you have to remember that the design is getting on for its half century!It was announced in the 1961 catalogue, so I'd guess the design (which was based on their TT Gauge Brush type 2 bogie) is now easily past it's half-century! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) A couple of comments if I may? The lining on the side panels of a black loco is very fine, the only transfers I found narrow enough were steam loco boiler band ones split into individual lines, even then i had to choose carefully to find something that looked right. I think the comparison shot of the Triang and Heljan one shows this quite well. Another possibly cheaper re-motor option is a ringfield power bogie as fitted to the Hornby ex triang class 37. Uses the same wheelbase just needs a fixing sorting out. As for the DC kits one I thought that looks familiar! This must be getting on for 30 years old now Definitely the easiest livery for an EM2 Edited to add EM2 picture, didn't know where it was! Edited September 20, 2012 by great central 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'd have thought the most difficult/time consuming part of redoing the lining on the Triang EM2 is removing the moulded on lines, not adding the new ones. That apart, it's a stunning piece of toolwork given it's 50 year age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Every time I look at the old Triang bogie brick wagon moulding the curiosity bubbles up. This of course is another of a few items from the circa 1960 range that is genuinely a scale model as far as the plastic injection moulded part is concerned. It stands out a mile against the majority of the other wagons which are inaccurate pastiches of the prototype. What was going on? Why did the occasional model get a really good tooling? Were there frustrated draughtsmen and toolmakers sneaking out a goodun to demonstrate their ability when the management were not looking over their shoulders? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think it is a fascinating period for British Railway models. You had Lone Star producing the first R-T-R 000 stock, Tri-ang's TT Brush type 2 with flush glazed front windows, Britannia, EM2, Lord of the Isles, fully panelled clerestory coaches, the bogie brick, the tail end of Hornby Dublo's plastic Super Detail wagons and the innovative Mk.1s and even Trix switching to plastic wagons and coaches. Then came Super 4 track (the geometry of which has certainly stood the test of time), scale length Mk.1s, Real Estate (soon to become Model Land) kits. That this boom was followed by something of a bust perhaps isn't too surprising, but tooling standards certainly seemed to slip in the early 1970s. Sorry, wandering a bit off topic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 While in the local model shop here in Calgary, Alberta picked up an old Triang EM2 for about 5 pounds. It isn't in the best of shape, missing the power bogie, someone had put in an old four axle bogie making it a CO-BO, both pantographs are missing, one end has had maroon spray painted on it, and part of the body work at the same end is missing. Figure that for the price I paid it was worth it but now I have to figure out how to rebuild it to a working condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Does anyone on here know where I can get the following items? 2 x pantographs 1 x motor bogie 1 x buffer These are the items I am missing and can't seem to find them online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The motor bogie is very similar to the Triang early Class 31 and 37s, which can be picked up quite easily on ebay. All the parts are common except the main frame - the EM2 main frame was part no S4079. Thus a Class 31 or 37 power bogie will fit and run your EM2, but will not be accurate - it just depends on what level of accuracy you want. Finding the correct EM2 frame will not be too easy I expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) The buffers turn up from time to time - Tri-ang metal oval, but always overpriced. Likewise EM2 bogies are sometimes available, but again at a premium. The Brush A1A A1A bogie is common (and will fit AFAIK) but has incorrect sideframes - all the other bits are the same as the EM2 bogie though. The pantographs are like hen's teeth and always expensive. Repro parts are sometimes available. Shipping to Canada will add considerably to the price, but I'm sure you are aware of this. The problem is the EM2 being rare and collectable - it didn't sell well, probably because the catenary system was expensive (and only fitted Tri-ang track) and we young lads at the time were only interested in 'proper' steam locomotives... The specialised nature of the prototype didn't help. Edited February 19, 2014 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The buffers turn up from time to time - Tri-ang metal oval, but always overpriced. Likewise EM2 bogies are sometimes available, but again at a premium. The Brush A1A A1A bogie is common (and will fit AFAIK) but has incorrect sideframes - all the other bits are the same as the EM2 bogie though. The pantographs are like hen's teeth and always expensive. Repro parts are sometimes available. Shipping to Canada will add considerably to the price, but I'm sure you are aware of this. The problem is the EM2 being rare and collectable - it didn't sell well, probably because the catenary system was expensive (and only fitted Tri-ang track) and we young lads at the time were only interested in 'proper' steam locomotives... The specialised nature of the prototype didn't help. One of our members runs an EM2 with a Brush motor bogie. The loco's been repainted and lined, looks the part. Nobody has noticed the bogie, well they've never said! Sommerfeldt pans can be adapted to suit, not sure which model though, I've always used the ex Lima ones myself. There's also the Judith Edge kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Update, got a powered bogie from a 31 / 37 and this runs good. Got some buffers, but they are incorrect as they have a round head, not oval. Still haven't got any pantographs, there is one currently on ebay but it is 42.50 (pounds) which is about $80 Canadian so will pass on that. One question is how does one attach the motor bogie to the body? I am guessing that I need a clip of some sort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) One question is how does one attach the motor bogie to the body? I am guessing that I need a clip of some sort. Have a look at Service Sheets No.30 (EM2) and No.37 (Cl.31) here:- http://www.melbournemodelraceway.com.au/taservicesheets.html Edited March 31, 2014 by sparks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Update, got a powered bogie from a 31 / 37 and this runs good. Got some buffers, but they are incorrect as they have a round head, not oval. Still haven't got any pantographs, there is one currently on ebay but it is 42.50 (pounds) which is about $80 Canadian so will pass on that. One question is how does one attach the motor bogie to the body? I am guessing that I need a clip of some sort. This is the clip: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tri-ang-00-S3376-RETAINING-CLIP-X337-Power-Bogie-Cl-37-A1A-A1A-EM2-Hymek-x2-/400682630223?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item5d4a8bbc4f As for pantographs, it seems a number of sellers break locos up to increase their value. The pantographs are steel so prone to rust if stored in less than ideal conditions, thus making them rarer. I do fell some sellers take the mickey though with their BIN prices. Having picked up a small steeplecab loco without a pan and another EM2 body recently, I'm also on the lookout for pantographs Edited March 31, 2014 by great central Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted March 31, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2014 This is the clip: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tri-ang-00-S3376-RETAINING-CLIP-X337-Power-Bogie-Cl-37-A1A-A1A-EM2-Hymek-x2-/400682630223?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item5d4a8bbc4f As for pantographs, it seems a number of sellers break locos up to increase their value. The pantographs are steel so prone to rust if stored in less than ideal conditions, thus making them rarer. I do fell some sellers take the mickey though with their BIN prices. Having picked up a small steeplecab loco without a pan and another EM2 body recently, I'm also on the lookout for pantographs Hi Judith Edge kits do Pantographs http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/judithedge/kit/134 Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Hi Judith Edge kits do Pantographs http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/judithedge/kit/134 Cheers Paul I did see they have them for sale and this indeed maybe the best choice since the originals are expensive, plus in my opinion look cheap. This is the clip: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tri-ang-00-S3376-RETAINING-CLIP-X337-Power-Bogie-Cl-37-A1A-A1A-EM2-Hymek-x2-/400682630223?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item5d4a8bbc4f As for pantographs, it seems a number of sellers break locos up to increase their value. The pantographs are steel so prone to rust if stored in less than ideal conditions, thus making them rarer. I do fell some sellers take the mickey though with their BIN prices. Having picked up a small steeplecab loco without a pan and another EM2 body recently, I'm also on the lookout for pantographs I did see those after I posted, was actually wondering if I could make something similar. Edited March 31, 2014 by jsp3970 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Hi Judith Edge kits do Pantographs http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/judithedge/kit/134 Cheers Paul I'm aware of those, most likely use them on the EM2 but would like an original for the steeplecab. Thinking about it I have another EM2 still waiting for repainting and detailing, that's got two good pans on, so one for the steeplecab and a spare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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