RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2014 Good evening. I know an N 2.6.0. normally worked this service (to/from ?) but I can find very little info on stock used. There is a reference to a Back Track article that I might have to dig out from somewhere, otherwise a websearch produces 'nil point' bar one photo on one site and that shows the train on the Somerset and Dorset! I can probably find the BR SR coaches used in my Bulleid and or maunsell Carriages books. I do have one photo in a book of mine showing a U1 with a motley collection of ER stock but I can only really see the first two Gresley coaches. It would appear that a SR and ER set worked alternate weeks. Any info very gratefully received. Thanks P@ 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 It must have been the inter-regional holiday train with the slowest average running speed, I'd hazard a guess that the pics you mention, as the locos were SR moguls, were taken between Exeter, and Exmouth, and had the greatest variety of loco haulage in the country. Reversal at Exeter Central with any loco Central shed had available, on to Templecombe where more often than not it would be a 4F+4F, or 4F+3F combination to Bath, sometimes( on the down train) a Spam-Can from Bath working it's way back to Bournemouth after an unbalanced working up. Reversal again,and a Black 5 or Standard 5 on to Brum ( either from BGP or Saltley).Usually with inter-regional trains, each region which the train starts from would supply one set of stock except the 'Pines' where both were LMR. Get-out clause - there are always exceptions to the rule ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Yes, the WoE main-line, with it's testing climbs between Exeter, and Templecombe required more than a mogul, even for that train. I have seen a pic of a S15 (Salisbury based, Maunsell version) hauling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 There is a picture of the empty stock being berthed at Littleham in 'The Sidmouth & Budleigh Salterton Branches' by Oakwood Press. Page 96, 82010 shunts 4 coaches at Littleham on 18th June 1960 to be stabled until the following Saturday, I would not like to guess what type they are other than at least three of them look 'eastern' to me, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Just to clarify the routing of this train. It didn't go via the busy Exeter Central, but through Budleigh Salterton, reversing at Sidmouth Junction. Through carriages from Sidmouth were attached/detached at Tipton St John's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Thanks Peter, can't be right every time relying on 50(+) years of memory without referring to written info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Thanks Peter, can't be right every time relying on 50(+) years of memory without referring to written info. It does help Paul, having the Summer 1962 passenger timetable on my lap as I type this..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Ah, look what I found (?), didn't realize it only lasted 2 years though . Thought it was longer, what was I saying about memory. http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/b/budleigh_salterton/index.shtml http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5178 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2014 That second link is talking about a Bournemouth Service. I really can't believe people went from Cleethorpes to Bournemouth. Don't suppose it was one train that split at bath or Templecombe? Even SWMBO has asked me why on earth there was a Cleethorpes to Exmouth service! I'm not surprised it only ran for two years. At once a week for probably only three months (?) that's only 24 trains (one way). Those pics of BSalterton are a bit sad really at the end. P You've obviously never lived in Cleethorpes. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I suppose Cleethorpes was just a convenient place to start from for passengers from South Humberside, and north Lincs, you can sympathise with those having to put up with that grotty North Sea, and it's 'bracing' wind.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I think the origins of this service were that the daily Cleethorpes - Birmingham train (via Nottm and Leicester) was extended to Bournemouth (then instead to Sidmouth/Exmouth for 1960-62) on summer Saturdays. Hence providing an addition through service from Nottm and Leicester to the South/South West coast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 The stock on the daily Cleethorpes - B'ham then continued as a stopping service to Gloucester, where the coaches were based. Hence extending to the coast on a summer Saturday wasn't too difficult to organise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combe Martin Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 There are loads of pictures of this service in the Somerset & Dorset picture books, 'Ivo Peters 3' as an example. Most of those I've seen show it being hauled by a 7F when on the S&D. The Southern stock seemed to be a mixed set of Mk1, Bulleid and Maunsell coaches. The ER stock a mix of Gresley, Thompson and Mk1s with the odd Stanier sometimes too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combe Martin Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Somerset & Dorset Sunset by Michael Welch also has a couple of good 1962 colour pictures of the 'cleethorpes' . You can ignore the Southerns' set number though I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2014 Any chance of an "edited highlights" type list of the route and timings Mr Sunset please? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 The two editions of the S and D book are really quite different, so worth keeping both to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 For Mike (1962 timings): Cleethorpes - Sidmouth and Exmouth Southbound (runs SO 28th July - 1st Sept) Cleethorpes dep.7.0 am Grimsby Docks 7.8 Grimsby Town 7.14 Habrough 7.27 Barnetby 7.40 Market Rasen 8.0 Lincoln (St Mark's) 8.25 Newark (Castle) 8.51 Fiskerton 8.59 Nottingham (Midland) 9.23 Trent 9.36 Loughborough (Midland) 9.49 Leicester (London Road) 10.10 Hinckley 10.33 Nuneaton (Abbey Street) 10.48 Birmingham (New Street) 11.36 Ashchurch 12.34 pm Gloucester (Eastgate) 1.3 Bath (Green Park) arr 2.2 Evercreech Junction 3.9 Templecombe 3.32 Axminster 4.21 Seaton Junction 4.29 Sidmouth Junction 4.51 Tipton St John's 5.5 ....................Sidmouth 5.17 East Budleigh 5.20 Budleigh Salterton 5.26 Littleham 5.35 Exmouth 5.40 Northbound timings to follow..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Northbound (SO 28th July - 8th September 1962) Exmouth dep 10.42am Littleham 10.47 Budleigh Salterton 10.55 East Budleigh 10.59 ..........Sidmouth 11.7 Tipton St John's 11.16 Sidmouth Junction 11.33 Seaton Junction 11.53 Axminster 12.1pm Templecombe 12.48 Evercreech Junction 1.10 Bath (Green Park) 2.18 Gloucester (Eastgate) arr 3.16 Birmingham (New Street) 4.44 Nuneaton (Abbey Street) 5.26 Hinckley 5.37 Leicester (London Road) 6.0 Loughborough (Midland) 6.24 Trent 6.36 Nottingham (Midland) 6.51 Newark (Castle) 7.21 Lincoln (St Mark's) 7.46 Market Rasen 8.15 Barnetby 8.38 Habrough 8.51 Healing 9.0 Grimsby Town 9.7 Grimsby Docks 9.14 Cleethorpes 9.23 Note that in neither direction did the train call at Cheltenham Spa. The northbound train arrived in Bath at 2.10pm; exactly at the same time as the southbound train departed there. The train stopped at Templecombe in each direction for only three minutes - was this long enough for a loco change there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2014 Thanks Peter, thick end of 11 hours, amazing. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combe Martin Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 The loco definitely changed at Templecombe, there are pictures of the N working light down to Templecombe shed for servicing. And much as you'd like them too, the 7Fs didn't work down the Southern main line ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted January 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2014 I fully agree with Combe Martin - I have no knowledge of an S&D 7F going down the SR main line from Templecombe. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2014 I would have thought that 3 minutes to change engines wouldn't have been too tight provided the track layout was suitable so the working time might well have been little different from the public time with, at best, it giving an earlier than advertised arrival time for the train. After all the ECML used to do booked loco changes in 4 minutes with no problems (although I remain intensely suspicious that such changeovers never involved a brake continuity test ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 At least the train took them to Bournemouth; there was a dated Swansea train at the same period that allegedly worked only to Brockenhurst on the way out, but started off from Branksome on the way back..Another one where the 'foreign' coaches sat in a carriage sidings for a week before working the return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted January 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2014 The WTT for Summer 1961 states: Bath Green Park: Arr: 2.02pm, Dep 2.12pm (advertised 2.10pm) Templecombe: Arr: 3.32pm, Dep 3.37pm. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted January 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2014 Hello Mallard Down trains were usually booked for a little more time at Bath Green Park than Up trains. In 1961, the Down train to Templecombe from Bath was rostered to a 2P + 4F (Rep. No.1092). The Up train was rostered for a 7F (1E59). On 12 August 1961, for example: Down train: 40569 + 44422 (8 coaches) Up train: 3210 + 53806 (11 coaches) (the lead vehicle being a Thompson Non-gangwayed Lavatory Composite). Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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