RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted February 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2018 Very definitely yellow. Won't be buying any of them then.... They should be white. I could understand it in the days when small white LEDs were either very hard to come by or stupidly expensive but nowadays they are cheap as chips. Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Have they always been white? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted February 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2018 Have they always been white? yes Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2018 Every time I keep thinking they aren't too bad and may consider buying some something else spoils them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 yes Andi the picture on their website shows a yellow cast to them : https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/alpha-mimic-12x-lms-br-ground-signal/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2018 Doesn't look as yellow as the one in the picture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 Hi, Sorry to drag up an old thread, but has anyone tried the miniature red / green versions from DCC Concepts, how are they scale wise? Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 Not strictly about the red green ones but I've read somewhere that these signals aren't controlled from the panel they supply but have to be linked to point motors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2018 Not strictly about the red green ones but I've read somewhere that these signals aren't controlled from the panel they supply but have to be linked to point motors The "usual" way of controlling the DCC Concepts ground signals (of any type) is via the supplied DCC controlled Mimic board. They can also be controlled via a reversing 12v DC (or so) feed with suitable inline resistor - typically 500-1kohm. So yes - can be connected to a SPDT switch, such as that on a point motor in conjunction with a +12/0/-12 split supply or a 12v DC supply with a DPDT switch. They are available without the Mimic board as the add-on pack of signals only. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dougjuk Posted November 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2018 I bought some and have to say they are quite nice, the price is fantastic and they seem to be simple to install. Considering the other signals on the market at £30 each in DCC format getting 12 DCC ground signals and a control board for £69 is a winner in my book. Not sure I would agree that they are 7mm scale even if they are allegedly bit over scale, you can remove the block under neath and seat them lower down as was done in earlier pictures. Its down to personal choice again. regards Doug 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2018 How do you control them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo666 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Where would these be used? I cannot see any reference on various UK Signalling websites (this and others) I've looked at, nor a google image search of UK Modern Signals is coming up with anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dougjuk Posted November 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2018 How do you control them? The pack I bought has a panel which allocates 12 DCC addresses, so you can control them via your controller using each address. You can also link them to a panel (DCC) link the mimic or similar. I am going to control them with my JMRI panel that I have put together. I control points, routes and signals on there. If I can work out how to upload a picture will send some. I do agree they are a slight yellow look but I am happy with them. Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2018 Sounds quite complicated I was hoping they could be controlled from their panel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 They're pretty easy to control. Put it into programming mode, call up a cv address, press + or - and the address should be set 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Where would these be used? I cannot see any reference on various UK Signalling websites (this and others) I've looked at, nor a google image search of UK Modern Signals is coming up with anything. dcc.JPG Hmm... can't say that I have ever seen anything like those either. It looks almost like a 'fudge' because they can't provide a single 'pivot lamp' that can show both red or white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 Where would these be used? I cannot see any reference on various UK Signalling websites (this and others) I've looked at, nor a google image search of UK Modern Signals is coming up with anything. dcc.JPG They are the same as a normal independent position light, but they just have 4 lenses to show two reds horizontally and two whites at 45 degrees, so they have the same positioning rules. Of course, what has been discussed is that they are very over scale (I think they are almost overscale for 7mm!). Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 Hmm... can't say that I have ever seen anything like those either. It looks almost like a 'fudge' because they can't provide a single 'pivot lamp' that can show both red or white. They are Fibre Optic type signals, see third photo on this page: http://www.railsigns.uk/photos/p_shuntsig2/p_shuntsig2.html There's still one at Portsmouth & Southsea and I'm sure they are other places. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo666 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Of course, what has been discussed is that they are very over scale (I think they are almost overscale for 7mm!). Thanks Simon, I've read the comments about being oversize, but I wasn't sure if those comments we relating to the 3 light LMS/BR signal (or the other two types). So, are ALL the DCC Concept signals overscale? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo666 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 They are Fibre Optic type signals, see third photo on this page: http://www.railsigns.uk/photos/p_shuntsig2/p_shuntsig2.html There's still one at Portsmouth & Southsea and I'm sure they are other places. I'm looking to get some signals for my (eventual) layout, so doing some research at the moment. Not sure whether to buy some in advance as Hattons currently have these at a good discount. So (maybe a length of string questions), but with a modern era Diesels layout (year 2000 to current), mainline with some shunting and fiddle yard being considered, would l be looking at these 4 lamp ground signals as UK prototype, or the 3 lamp LMS/BR signals? (Once I learn more about signalling I'll probably look back at this post and realise that this was a really silly question, but at the moment I'm starting from scratch and learning a lot). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 Thanks Simon, I've read the comments about being oversize, but I wasn't sure if those comments we relating to the 3 light LMS/BR signal (or the other two types). So, are ALL the DCC Concept signals overscale? Hi, Certainly the position light signals are overscale, I'm trying to establish if the miniature red / green signals are overscale or not, I don't think they are, but I'm not sure I'm looking to get some signals for my (eventual) layout, so doing some research at the moment. Not sure whether to buy some in advance as Hattons currently have these at a good discount. So (maybe a length of string questions), but with a modern era Diesels layout (year 2000 to current), mainline with some shunting and fiddle yard being considered, would l be looking at these 4 lamp ground signals as UK prototype, or the 3 lamp LMS/BR signals? (Once I learn more about signalling I'll probably look back at this post and realise that this was a really silly question, but at the moment I'm starting from scratch and learning a lot). The best bet is the triangular LMS type. However, for current period layout, they should display two red lamps horizontally when 'ON' and two white lamps at 45 degress when 'OFF', so just check that when you buy. You could use the 4 aperture signals for a bit of variety, but these weren't that common. Hope that helps. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo666 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 The best bet is the triangular LMS type. However, for current period layout, they should display two red lamps horizontally when 'ON' and two white lamps at 45 degress when 'OFF', so just check that when you buy. You could use the 4 aperture signals for a bit of variety, but these weren't that common. Hope that helps. It sure does, thanks. I had assumed that 'LMS' was a reference to the old steam days, and therefore these were on old signal style, if still around between 2000-2018 then probably being phased out. Certainly the position light signals are overscale, I'm trying to establish if the miniature red / green signals are overscale or not, I don't think they are, but I'm not sure I'm not familiar with the terminology. What are 'Position Light Signals' and 'Miniature red/green signals'? Does this relate to any of the 3 DCC Concepts range of signals (below (ignoring the US type)), or does it refer to the signals on the taller posts -v- ground based signals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 It sure does, thanks. I had assumed that 'LMS' was a reference to the old steam days, and therefore these were on old signal style, if still around between 2000-2018 then probably being phased out. I'm not familiar with the terminology. What are 'Position Light Signals' and 'Miniature red/green signals'? Does this relate to any of the 3 DCC Concepts range of signals (below (ignoring the US type)), or does it refer to the signals on the taller posts -v- ground based signals? DCC Signals.JPG LMS is more of a reference to who originally designed them... In your screenshot, the Position Light Signals are the centre and right hand images, whilst the miniature red / green signal is the one on the left. So, the signals shown in the centre and right are overscale, I'm not sure about the ones on the left. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 24, 2018 Author Share Posted November 24, 2018 Hi, I had a short conversation with DCC Concepts about the size of their ground signals at Warley this afternoon The representative told me that they were to scale and to engineering drawings, claiming that the ground signals have got much smaller over the years, they I think we've agreed is the opposite to what has actually happened. They even tried to explain to me that the signals getting smaller is the reason for them being mounted at drivers eye level now..... He also revealed they are going to be doing more ground signals in future and possible even main aspect signals....I don't hold out much hope.... However, I got a good look at the miniature red / green signals, and I think they are just about within an acceptable scale. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted November 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2018 Has anybody tried the TrainTech GPLS? I use these http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/dcc-signals/77-gs1-ground-position-shunt-signal-wr which work well from standard DCC addressing. Pricey (£35) but worth looking at and about the same size as the CRS ones (£17) - but the TT ones come with a built in DCC controller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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