RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted March 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2018 Evening Steve. It can look pretty gruesome to start with. Don't panic. If I can make a suggestion. Less powder as it goes a long way. As you already discovered, the varnish really is applied as a 'dusting', a mist if you like. The burnishing from the fibre brush can be dealt with a final light application of matt varnish once you've removed the powder. You are right mind, sometimes its better to leave it for a bit. I've done the same with a couple of mine. Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 Done a bit more work on the brake van by taking some more powder off using the fibreglass pen and adding some powders to the underframe. I don't think it looks too bad on the layout. I've got some more techniques I want to try so I might do that on the other side and I bought another unfitted brake van to try and get the look I really wanted. Steve. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted March 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2018 That looks fine Steve. What size fibre brush are you using? Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 Thanks Rob, it's a bog standard pen type brush from e bay, the bristle bit is about 4mm in diameter. Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted March 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2018 Have a look for a small one, 2mm? This is just right for doing one plank at a time. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Ok, thanks Rob I will. Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 After the brake van I'm going to practise some weathering on these coal wagons. I'm aiming for a look with some replaced planks and re numbering into BR ownership as I believe happened in the early 50's. I've started to distress the planks and paintwork and next up I've got a Lifecolour weathered wood set of paints to use. I bought a 2mm fibreglass brush from e bay and after struggling with a larger one that does make a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 One question, would the top 2 planks of the wagon belong continuous planks and replaced as one plank? Thanks. Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 One question, would the top 2 planks of the wagon belong continuous planks and replaced as one plank? Thanks. Steve. Unlikely due to the length. 18 feet planks are hard to come by and therefore expensive. Not sure if they were used when new. Most probably created by creating a scarfe joint.Wagons look good. Is the next step to scribe the internal door joins? I find the propelling pencil fibreglass brush a little aggressive for this work. The long stick types are gentler and leave fewer striations. The picture has been seen before, but this wagon came with a garish orange paint and rub on lettraset transfers. The font, sorry think that should be "type", was not correct for any type of wagon. Toned down and weathered, it is now passable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37079 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 One question, would the top 2 planks of the wagon belong continuous planks and replaced as one plank? Thanks. Steve. This made me think - I had always assumed that they were. A quick check of prototype photos (The 4mm Coal Wagon has a number of good ones) confirms that any unpainted replacements are generally of the whole continuous plank. In fact they seem to have been replaced fairly commonly, presumably as they were most prone to damage during loading. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 Thanks Mark, I've been doing a bit of reasearch and came across this site, loads of info and it says that the top 2 planks would be continuous. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/4-rstock/powag1.htm Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 I've painted some planks and given the 2 grey wagons a wash of a brown/black mixture and after drying for a bit wiped it off. The red wagon as had some powders added on 1 side and a mist of matt varnish has been applied, next I'll take off some powders using a 2mm fibreglass pen I got from e bay. Next for the other 2 wagons will be adding some markings and a bit more tweaking of the weathering. Steve. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 Taken some weathering powders off using a glass fibre brush and put on some transfers, just got to finish the weathering and make some loads and they're done. Steve. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 I've given these 2 some washes, the one on the left has had some enamel washes and the one on the right some acrylic washes, just to see what the difference is. There seems to be a bit of a sheen to both of them so I'm not sure whether to drybrush some track colour or similar or just give them a spray of matt varnish? Steve. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted April 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2018 I would just varnish now Steve. The colours look to be about right. Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 Ok, thanks Rob. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 30656769_10216907782113773_4492881682512216064_n.jpg 30710765_10216908211844516_9216344731624144896_o.jpg Taken some weathering powders off using a glass fibre brush and put on some transfers, just got to finish the weathering and make some loads and they're done. Steve. Just a cheeky question Who were Andersons of Whitstable? And why did they have shipping wagons? Great weathering anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelp Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Excellent work on the wagons! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 Just a cheeky question Who were Andersons of Whitstable? And why did they have shipping wagons? Great weathering anyway Thanks for the comment Doilum, I'm not sure about the livery of the wagon, it's quite an old Bachmann product and could be completely fictitious, there might be someone on here who knows though. Steve. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 They sound like a coal merchant, who would order a simple side door wagon. It could have been a leased wagon, or did they have a contract to deliver coal to the steam ships? If so, how was coal transfered on to steam fishing boats? Someone out there will know!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 Couldn't resist putting it into google and found this, http://www.northernfinescale.ca/pages2011/seven_plank.html Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 They sound like a coal merchant, who would order a simple side door wagon. It could have been a leased wagon, or did they have a contract to deliver coal to the steam ships? If so, how was coal transfered on to steam fishing boats? Someone out there will know!! http://www.northernfinescale.ca/pages2011/seven_plank.html might be of interest. I've never seen reference to any specialised bunkering facilities at Whitstable; I'd say the harbour wouldn't merit them. Where they did exist, they could be anything from a grab on a crane, to a full-blown coal hoist. Some of the South Wales ports had specialist bunkering hoists at the entrance locks, so that vessels going on to Bristol could fill their bunkers without having to go into the main docks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 http://www.northernfinescale.ca/pages2011/seven_plank.html might be of interest. I've never seen reference to any specialised bunkering facilities at Whitstable; I'd say the harbour wouldn't merit them. Where they did exist, they could be anything from a grab on a crane, to a full-blown coal hoist. Some of the South Wales ports had specialist bunkering hoists at the entrance locks, so that vessels going on to Bristol could fill their bunkers without having to go into the main docks. Snap! ;-) Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I thought it unlikely too. End door /shipping wagons were mainly used to deliver coal to the bulk handling ports like Goole. They were commonly used as internal wagons at those coal mines with river / canal side loading staithes. As originally suggested, perhaps a case of Bachman applying an attractive livery to a standard moulding. Unless anyone knows differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I knew I had seen it before!! Powsides catalogue 0502. Sidedoor only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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