DJM Dave Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Hi everyone, to try and keep the OO APT-P thread clear for notifications and updates, please use this section for any photographs you may have of the laser scanning day and the beast itself. Feel free though to post a note on the OO APT thread to tell everyone you have posted here. cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) This thread does not seem to be working for its intended purpose. Seeing as the other thread is now a huge picture gallery might it be better to make this thread the one for the specific project updates with no photographs allowed. ;-) Edited June 10, 2018 by mikeharvey22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Hi All New Photo updates will take place HERE... of the APT-P Photos and any comments on them would be welcome. Please also feel free to Add any of 'your own photos' of the APT-P Crowd Funding Day to this thread, as it will be a good place for cross reference material. Most of the Photos below will have been transferred from the current place of... ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement)’ To ‘APT-P Photographs’ across to here. Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Hi All (Transferred from OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement) Great day meeting you and putting a name to the USER ID, I'm sure I will have a load of the simulate photo to you to lol, Your knowledge base was superb on what things we were walking through the power car with you etc. not to mention nearly all other mechanical parts. Great day spent with you! The Special Coach you pointed out, I wonder if any Extra coaches can be made, I would like it to be this coach. DJM Dave, ONE WISH PLEASE...! Can you make it happen as a ONE OFF, it existed but never appeared in the formation (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) or so I believe. Can you pull it off, or will we still see a Cut&MakeDo with even this APT Set, I hope not, but only you can make it happen. If you don't ask, you don't get, or in this case, if you don't ask, I will never know, I'd certainly buy the odd one or two for sure...! You did mention I was a pain but for good reason... lol Mr_Tilt, on 03 Jun 2018 - 20:28, said: The twin bogie coach was the foreunner of the Mk IVs, and was tested at some length to see how it behaved relative to the articulated versions. I'm told it was tested in the POPII consist, at one end obviously, but I've never seen a pic of that. I saw it parked on its own south of Peterborough sometime in the '90s, but I can't recall exactly when. The APT-P ECML tests were to measure its aerodynamic drag and the 37s propelled it to the top of a bank and let go while the aerodynamics guys took measurements. Quite why they couldn't have done that on Beattock or Shap I don't know, but they didn't. Hi Mr_Tilt Ha-ha, Thank you for that valuable information, I was hoping someone would add the extra insight to that photo, as to what was the future held for that type of coach, Thanks for that information. It's what I like most about this Thread and in dead to the RMWeb, as there is always someone who knows the answer to such questions. Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Hi All (Transferred from OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement) I will be adding slowly most of my own photos in my Gallery and slowly adding all 667 Doh! Trying to keep the numbers way down on uploading that many, but I know there will be some who will be interested in the Power Car and the walk through the centre of it, and indeed came across a few shockers with it being so dark in places and it wasn't till I got back home I saw what some of the sign siad... for example I must admit, it did make me laugh, once I noticed what it said, as the screen review on my camera is to small for my shot eye sight to read but hey, no humans were armed in the taking of this photo Funny enough it's next to the Side Access Door as you can see from the photo the Handle to get in or out of the Power Car. Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement) The Photos are of the Pantograph Linkage Arm which is attached to the Bogie, as you can see in Red to pin point where the Linkage Arm is. The Second Photo is taken from just inside the Bogie Arm, and looking directly up to the Photograph, It was raining slightly so sorry about the water on the lens it was the best I could do to enable me to understand how it all worked and I think to enable the Pantograph to remain stable while the APT-P was in Tilt Mode, the linkage arm enabled the pantograph to remain static. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me, but that's how I understood it to be...! The Original Photo of the Linkage Arm on the Bogie. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Hi All (Transferred from OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement) Both Ends Side by Side... I prefer the APT in RED I think...! To DJM Dave, What APT Front format will be the one that will be on the Models...? or Is that to early to say...!?! Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) Below 370 006 Below 370 003 Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) What we see today Side by Side if you ever pass the Crewe Heritage Centre on the Train, and I have to say, I'm proud that the One on the Right would never have happened if it wasn't for the one on the Left, way ahead of it's time... Whose is that rucksack on the bench ha-ha Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) SECOND CLASS The Second Class Seating Area of the APT-P (Chair's are slightly Narrower than chairs in First Class) Second Class Carpet Second Class Chair Pattern Second Class Head Rest FIRST CLASS The First Class Area of the APT-P (Chair's are slightly Wider than chairs in Second Class) First Class Carpet Second Class Chair Pattern Second Class Head Rest Enough Space to recline your chair and put Luggage between. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) A view we all seemed to be eagerly waiting to see was the front nosecone to be opened up to reveal what we will see on our Models... Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Hi All This is a Close-Up of the Nose End Lifted Up, and also the attached Graphic Card as found in the Driver's Cab to explain what's what for those interested in the correct terminology. Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Mr_Tilt, AFAIK, yes, but it would have been pretty easy to turn the half set at Newcastle, just run it round the loop through the Central Station and over the bridges. We did exactly that with POP-Train to avoid having to run south with Lab 3 at the 'wrong' end of the train. More on the 'twin bogie' coach, according to Departmentals.com it was entitled 'Lab 2', although I've never seen a pic of it as such. Its number was 977527, and they have a quite good B&W pic of it taken in the RTC Yard with what looks like the No. 4 H4X bogie from POPII in the background, which would put it in the mid-80s sometime. Hi Mr_APT Great photo, if only you had it in colour to... Interesting the light you have shed on this special coach. Hope you are feeling better each day, thoughts are with you! Mr_Tilt, on 03 Jun 2018 - 20:28, said: The twin bogie coach was the foreunner of the Mk IVs, and was tested at some length to see how it behaved relative to the articulated versions. I'm told it was tested in the POPII consist, at one end obviously, but I've never seen a pic of that. I saw it parked on its own south of Peterborough sometime in the '90s, but I can't recall exactly when. The APT-P ECML tests were to measure its aerodynamic drag and the 37s propelled it to the top of a bank and let go while the aerodynamics guys took measurements. Quite why they couldn't have done that on Beattock or Shap I don't know, but they didn't. Hi Mr_Tilt Ha-ha, Thank you for that valuable information, I was hoping someone would add the extra insight to that photo, as to what was the future held for that type of coach, Thanks for that information. It's what I like most about this Thread and in dead to the RMWeb, as there is always someone who knows the answer to such questions. Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) Thank you Dave, Only another 623 to go ha-ha, anyone who knows me personally will tell you I take way to many photo of every nut and bolt in sight, with the hope if I don't know what it is... someone else will...! My brother will normally says to me, while pointing at something stupid or with a hint of sarcasm... 'I bet you haven't got a photo of this have you... Jay' to which he knows, within a few seconds I will have taken a photo just to make sure I know I have a photo of it... to which I will say I need a photo with your finger in the photo for scale purposes, as I know someone will ask one day, How big was it...! ha-ha Another Side By Side Modern Day Photo, of what once was... and what now is...! Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) Twin Bogie Coach Entitled 'Lab 2' No.977527.jpg Hi Mr_APT Great photo, if only you had it in colour to... Interesting the light you have shed on this special coach. Hope you are feeling better each day, thoughts are with you! Regards Jamie Twin Bogie Coach aka MKIV (What would have been) Ha-Ha, Kit aka Mr_APT I came across this photo with the MKIV coach next to the centre power car... No.977527, as this was the only one ever made...! GordonC, on 03 Jun 2018 - 20:15, said: like this https://www.flickr.c...P-dNJNzt-ZgwPaF Ha-ah Thanks to GordonC Link photo's I have indeed just came across a 'Real Photos' of 'The Special APT-P Coach' in true formation so it did get chance to run just as MR_APT aka Kit said, the coach is the first coach off the Centre Power Car! Dave, does that mean there is no 'Get out of Jail Card' for can use ha-ha, just kidding bud... NOT Doh! Thank You GordonC for your Link. Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) Almost, the linkage was to keep the pantograph centered on the o'head wire when the loco tilted in the curves. If it hadn't have been there the panto head would have shot off sideways with disastrous results. The pantograph itself was mounted on lateral swing links above the roof so that it could 'anti-tilt' when the loco tilted, driven by the links on the bogie and the socking great shafts that went up through the body. The whole shooting match was tested on the dreaded 'Lab 24 Trestrol', as seen below. Hi Kit Thanks for that photo information.... What a great photo, I've been looking through quickly of my own collection to see if I had take photos of the huge spring coils, that I had taken from the inside, sadly DJM Dave is going to have to re-setup another Open Day... I need some counselling for not taking that photo ha-ha I was standing with Dagworth in the Power Car, when Dagworth pointed out to me that he (Dagworth) was standing right on the centre of the bogie (BLUE) and I stood where on one of the Wheel Axles (RED) would have been and from the inside the other wheel Axle looked to be about 10-12ft apart I estimated it to be, Dagworth also pointed out the Shaft wells were the huge coil springs where behind encased metal so was hidden from view... but very clearly seen from your photo Mr_APT aka Kit...! The photo below in (Blue) was where the Centre of the Bogie was and where the Coils would have been behind (where Dagworth was standing) the (Red) was the where I was standing which was where each Axle was. Sorry for the slightly fuzziness but it's the only photo I can see to pull out to show you. If I find a better one I'll modify the thread with a better photo, but I'm sure I'm not the only one with this walk through photo. Just in case your are all wondering 'Dagworth' is his RMWeb User ID aka Andi (great guy) Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) Diagrams normally help.... These may help explain how the pantograph works both Normally and in Tilt Mode Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Thanks again for posting all those photos, Jamie. Fascinating stuff. Some brilliant detail shots there too. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) I've just noticed looking through my photo, Only the First Class as the Spot lamps shining down above your head, which were on the underneath of the luggage rack also above your head. The Buttons were on the Edges of the Tables to turn on each lamp, and also First Class had all Reclining chairs...! First Class Seating The First Class was laid out in 2+ 1 Seating with Tables The seating is Wider than in Second Class Single Seating Side Button to turn on Lamp above your Head Double Seating Side Buttons to turn on Lamps above your Head (One Lamp per Seat) The Buttons are located on the Tables Edges. Seat Reclining Button on Every Chair in First Class Second Class Seating The First Class was laid out in 2+2 Seating some with Tables, some with Trays attached to the seat in front. The seating is Narrower than in First Class Double Seating Seats with Pull Down Trays attached to the seat in front. Tray Up and Down, plenty of leg room for second class, I have to say. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) APT-P Buffet Car Coach had a mix of Seats with Pull Down Trays and Seats with Tables. Inside the Buffet Section of the Buffet Coach The narrow corridor walk through at the side of the Kitchen to get to and from the Buffet Display Bar, notice the lighting that is in between each of the Five Windows and hidden from sight by the Hand Rail Plinth that runs the full length of both the Kitchen and Display Bar as also seen in the photos below. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All The Previous coach leading into the Buffet Car Coach. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All I have started to ADD new Photos into my own User ID, Please See my Gallery... I am updating often at present. APT-P Crewe Heritage Centre APT-P Power Car (Spare) Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Looking at Jamie’s photos, will the model have the red lights behind that strip below the window opposite the buffet counter? Andi Hi Andi (Transferred from ‘OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement’) Yes, I did wonder that, I also remember thinking what colour will the side panels be on the kitchen side on the Model, Is it Brown or Burn Orange... Do those LIGHTS play a role in making that Panel look different colours based on natural sunlight, those are things we need right on the Model. I guess a trip back with some colour cards from B&Q may identify the right colour shade of Red/Orange/Brown... whatever it is...? not sure if anyone picked that up to, along with the lighting, and Yes The lighting on the Model is a MUST I'd say, personally. NOTICE: The lighting that is in between each of the Five Windows and hidden from sight by the Hand Rail Plinth that runs the full length of both the Kitchen and Display Bar as also seen in the photos below. Even the Break Glass hammer on the wall in front would be nice to see on the Model to. I am presuming the A4 Size Empty Panel to the Left of the Break Glass would have had the Buffet Menu in it, I couldn't see what other use or possibly Break Glass instructions, but it looks to far away for that, if I'm honest...!?! Regards Jamie Edited June 10, 2018 by 7APT7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All A nice photo of the APT plus the Scanning Guys and most of who attended on January 02, 2018 and yes, DJM Dave I took into account when you said I could take photos as long as your ugly mug was not in the photo ha-ha so you will be pleased I timed this photo just right, well nearly Doh ha-ha Nice to see the APT with no steps up to each of the doors for the first time in how many years, I'm sure Brian aka 'craigy' on HERE also knows the APT like the back of his hand, so knowledgeable to! Use your ARROW KEYS Left & Right if you blow the photo up FULL Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Hi All Directional Lighting Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now