Rail-Online Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Hi, Whilst wasting a few minutes I found this: http://www.quietwomansrow.moonfruit.com/#/steam-in-pill-sheds/4561122689 Obviously the caption is incorrect as it is up on blocks, but why should a class of loco associated with the Eastern and Scottish regions be at Newport Pill? Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2012 It isn't at Pill - it's at Godfrey Road by High St station. Not that that gets us any further forward in explaining its presence at Newport of course! I'm guessing that it was enroute to 'somewhere' and suffered a hot box which might explain why it is partly lifted. My only guess is was it sold to the NCB? (and is teh date on the pic correct?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2012 Not able to definitely read the number, but is it possibly D2554 en route to the Isle of Wight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 It isn't at Pill - it's at Godfrey Road by High St station. Not that that gets us any further forward in explaining its presence at Newport of course! I'm guessing that it was enroute to 'somewhere' and suffered a hot box which might explain why it is partly lifted. My only guess is was it sold to the NCB? (and is teh date on the pic correct?) A pair of these went to Duport (then Llanelly Steel) in the late 1960s. I wonder if this was one of them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 A pair of these went to Duport (then Llanelly Steel) in the late 1960s. I wonder if this was one of them? I think this shot pre-dates "the great shunter cull" of 1967 onwards, so may rule out one of the two that went to Duport. . I saw the four coupled Hunslet en-route there, at Stoke Gifford circa May 1968. . I have never seen, or heard of a Hunslet Cl.05 in South Wales in BR service; this is a new one on me. . Anyone with access to a set of RO's for 1963 ? Brian r Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I like the coach behind it. It appears to be an ex Collett brake thrid in departmental service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted March 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2012 Excellent site- some gems at Severn Tunnel junction early 1970s. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2012 I like the coach behind it. It appears to be an ex Collett brake thrid in departmental service It looks as if it might be a breakdown van - possibly associated with the big stack of packing under the Hunslet? Does anyone know offhand when Godfrey Rad servicing point was closed - presumably at the end of the Eastern & Western Valleys dmu serices? There was a Collett vehicle there in the early '70s but I don't think it was this one and was in any case probably one of the umpteen vehicles dumped around the Region for use by the Work Study teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'd lay a sportsmans bet that the coach is DW150070. Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 If it is D2554, was it ever tried out at the Severn Tunnel before being sent to Ryde? Wasn't one of the PWM machines located there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted March 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2012 PWM651 was based at Radyr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'd lay a sportsmans bet that the coach is DW150070. Had a bit of a rummage - I'll happily put money on this one now! Originally Collet BC 7988 (Diag. E144, cira 1928). Converted BTU Staff and Tool Coach 9/59. Initially at Westbury, but later Worcester where it was probably based when the photo was taken. Then onto Gloucester in the early 70's before being withdrawn from Bristol 5/82 and scrapped 11/82. Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGT1972 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 The DMU services out of Newport ceased in 1964 and the lack of activity other than the 05 and the breakdown coach I guess suggests after that date. First thoughts were the various Duport machines but as Brian says it looks a bit early for the late 1960s. How about this idea for the mix - D2569 and D2570 were both for some reason put on loan 9/65 to Swindon 82C and then during 5/66 both went to Speke Junction 8C on loan again, then permanent.....could that be D2569 suffering a hot box on route from Swindon to the north via Hereford? Just a thought folks..... Hywel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Looking at the photo, I'd put money on it being D2554. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 Hi, Some interesting comments there -thanks. What makes people think it is not the late 60's? The loco appears to have peeling paintwork on the bonnet top - perhaps the result of a fire? Ok the re-fuelling bays are unused but BR would not be over eager to remove these (anyone know when?) According to Harris: D2561 went to Duport "about 3/68" D2568 went to Duport on 5/68 "for scrap" D2569 went to Duport on 5/68 D2570 went to Duport "about 3/68" D2600 went to Duport 4/68 D2601 went to Duport 4/68 And two interesting ones: D2604 went to G Cohen Morriston Swansea 6/68 for scrap D2605 went to G Cohen Morriston Swansea 6/68 for scrap The photo shows one without the 'greenhouse' top windows - from which loco was this fitted? I tend to think it is one of the Duport ones. Cheers Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Part of the framework for the refuelling area 'roof' was there into the mid-1970s, at least, even if the pipework had been recovered. There was also a black-painted ex-GWR coach there, until replaced by a BR coach (which I think was a Mk2, which would date it surviving into the 1990s). I hadn't realised that Duport had so many Hunslets- perhaps some went to their Briton Ferry plant? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I cannot see how the loco at Newport could be D2554, which according to my notes went from Harwich, Parkeston Quay to Ryde I.O.W. circa 1966 and was apparently used on the electrification of the Ryde - Shanklin line. If so, why would it have turned up at Newport ? The sale of the Hunslet Cl.05 locos to the Duport Group was handled by the dealer R.E.Trem of Finningley Yorks. and their post BR lives were as follows:- D2561 from Springs Branch to Duport, Llanelly by 3/68 renumbered 'D3' scrapped 10/72 D2568 to Duport, Briton Ferry 3/68 scrapped circa 5/69 D2569 to Duport, Briton Ferry 3/68 renumbered 'D5' scrapped circa 5/69 D2570 to Duport, Briton Ferry 3/68 renumbered 'D7' transferred to Llanelli Works 1/71? D2600 to Duport, Briton Ferry by 7/69 transferred to Llanelli Works 1/71? D2601 from Goole to Duport, Llanelly by 3/5/68 renumbered 'D5' scrapped 1979 Compared to the ex-BR Cl.04 shunters bought around the same time, the Hunslet locos didn't seem to have 'stayed the course'. I was unaware that Cohen's at Morriston saw off two of the class. Surely someone has the answer ? Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Brian R Has anyone tried asking the original owners of the site to look more closely at the photo - or provide a high quality scan as the number is possibly legible. Having [tried] to use the site I do realise that doing this may not be easy - how someone found Severn Tunnel photos escapes me! Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2012 ... What makes people think it is not the late 60's? .. The date given in the caption - although, as I've already implied (by asking if the quoted date is correct?) I am inclined to think that it was later than the date given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted March 25, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2012 Has anyone tried asking the original owners of the site to look more closely at the photo - or provide a high quality scan as the number is possibly legible. Having [tried] to use the site I do realise that doing this may not be easy - how someone found Severn Tunnel photos escapes me! Paul Bartlett You are quite right Paul- I can't find them now, and can't see the 05 pic either for that case. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 - how someone found Severn Tunnel photos escapes me! Paul Bartlett Took some finding, but go to home page and there is a link to transport photo's in the top right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I cannot see how the loco at Newport could be D2554, which according to my notes went from Harwich, Parkeston Quay to Ryde I.O.W. circa 1966 and was apparently used on the electrification of the Ryde - Shanklin line. If so, why would it have turned up at Newport ? I'd have thought she'd have been a regular there. Newport, I.o.W, that is! Passing an 0-4-4 on the pier in November '66 according to this caption: http://classictractionimages.weebly.com/isle-of-wight.html I must confess when I used the zoom feature on the photo in the OP, the number did resemble D2554. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I'd have thought she'd have been a regular there. Newport, I.o.W, that is! Passing an 0-4-4 on the pier in November '66 according to this caption: http://classictracti...e-of-wight.html That is clearly Ryde Pier so the date must be about right. Not seen a shot of that before. The Isle of Wight Steam Railway site has the same gen as Brian so that doesn't help. I'd be amazed had it gone anywhere other than Eastleigh to be shipped via Southampton, probably via Cowes, just like all the tube stock (stored at Micheldever prior to heading to Wight). It isn't as if BR(S) and the SR before it lacked experience in doing this. Dragging the thing all the way to Newport, South Wales, past three main works (Stratford, Eastleigh, Swindon) sounds pretty ridiculous, not that it couldn't have happened. Adam PS - the large window versions were D2574-2618 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Having zoomed to the point of extreme pixellation, I'm no nearer i.d-ing the machine by painted number, however, what does seem fairly evident is that the patch surrounding the number is darker, possibly cleaner or having been recently repainted to take a renumber from 11xxx to D2xxx. If that's the case, we may be nearer a date for the picture at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mcowgill Posted March 25, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2012 The photo shows one without the 'greenhouse' top windows - from which loco was this fitted? D2574 was the first of the 'greenhouse' top window locos, so we know it's from the range D2550 - D2573 Having zoomed to the point of extreme pixellation, I'm no nearer i.d-ing the machine by painted number, however, what does seem fairly evident is that the patch surrounding the number is darker, possibly cleaner or having been recently repainted to take a renumber from 11xxx to D2xxx. If that's the case, we may be nearer a date for the picture at least. At the level of zoom needed to try and read the number I think that the surrounding area is appearing darker because of the sharpening of the digital image. Sharpening works by increasing the contrast between adjacent pixels, as well as brightening the number it may also lead to a darkening of the immediate surrounding area, not something you would normally notice unless you zoom in to a ridiculous level like we are trying. I wouldn't read too much into the possible 'patch'. Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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