Gordini5 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 This is looking to be a great ittle layout. I look forward to further additions. Have you slimmed down the width on your 46 bogie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted June 15, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2012 This is looking to be a great ittle layout. I look forward to further additions. Have you slimmed down the width on your 46 bogie? Thank you; yes, Pauline at Millfields did it for me and renumbered it to match the one in this picture of 46045 at Prestatyn in 1979 (and yes, it's the one in my avatar!!) I do like the Peaks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted June 16, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2012 Pencilled out the new station profile today using a length of 50", which looked fine with a class 40 and 7 mk1's giving about 2-3" spare at each end. I discovered in the process that my original profile was a couple of inches out in the middle, so maybe a rethink wasn't such a bad idea!! I'll need to cut new platforms from scratch, as the adjustments on the other ones are too fine and I'd end up with piles of shavings and a platform that resembles a chicane!! Pictures will be posted as and when I get the wood re-cut. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
branchie Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Great stuff David. It's good to see the NW Coast being modelled. Will watch the thread with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted June 25, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 25, 2012 Sorry I haven't posted for a week or so, but I've been trying out other varying lengths of platforms; I've gone back to the 50' plus ramps I stated before so I'm now in the process of gluing the edging strips together and cutting out the tops from 0.5mm card - the pics I promised will follow shortly!! In the meantime, my Dad sent me these measurements after a 4am visit to the station, so now I have enough to go on to help site the platforms and bridge supports and can start work on the overbridge itself... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted June 25, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 25, 2012 Just received these pictures of the bridge today which will be a huge help...although I think I'll be doing mine in the original grey - not sure about that green and cream; but what does everyone else think?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted July 3, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2012 Finally got round to putting the parts of the platforms together, using the Peco edging strips along 8mm ply formers with 0.5mm card tops, all PVA'd together - messy but worth the fiddling. I intend to put another layer of card on top to make the platform surface, but I've yet to measure these out! I took a few pics to see how it's looking overall, and put a few spare strips in to see roughly where the bridge will go...as always, feedback is welcomed!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Looks impressive. I've not been there since a holiday at Prestatyn back in 1972. All Class 40s and Mk.1s. I do remember footbridge and the view over the long, fairly bare (?) platforms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted July 3, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2012 Looks impressive. I've not been there since a holiday at Prestatyn back in 1972. All Class 40s and Mk.1s. I do remember footbridge and the view over the long, fairly bare (?) platforms. Yep, that pretty much sums it up! Just a central waiting room/office and then a long stretch with just lights and benches...bit eerie at night, but plenty of rail activity nonetheless...!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordini5 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The platforms look damn fine. You can just sit back & imagine long lazy trains crawling through. I think I go with you about the bridge in grey, green & cream looks a bit out of kilter?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted July 5, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5, 2012 The platforms look damn fine. You can just sit back & imagine long lazy trains crawling through. I think I go with you about the bridge in grey, green & cream looks a bit out of kilter?? Thank you! Yes, I think it was the Local Council trying to be more "Welsh" in their colour schemes, although they probably have a another perfectly reasonable explanation for it, like they already had the paint left over from installing the modern walkway monstrosity across the station last year...!! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted July 7, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2012 Productive day today !! I cut out the platform tops from 0.5mm card and glued them on, this gives a much better profile and is more like the original, as Prestatyn's platforms have a greater overhang than the Peco edging strips had. Then I made the centre columns for the bridge and marked out where they should go. After a couple of mishaps with card and glue which are better left undocumented I then managed to produce the end piers and a length of roadway which I used to measure the platform distances and clearance for rolling stock. It was at this point I realised something: the bridge is 48' between the piers on each side, but the central columns are off-centre as they are closer to the Up platform edge by about 6' - this means that the Down lines must be closer together than the Up lines given the width of the platforms is constant. I've not heard of that possibility before as I thought they should always be the same width apart; anyone clarify this for me? Anyway, I'm up in Prestatyn in a couple of weeks so a site visit is in order methinks!! Here's some pics of today's work: More soon David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I tried to figure out what I was looking at on those prototype pictures. Where are the LNWR sectional wooden buildings? Demolished shock horror...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted July 7, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2012 I tried to figure out what I was looking at on those prototype pictures. Where are the LNWR sectional wooden buildings? Demolished shock horror...? Absolutely; have a look at these pictures: They are rebuilding the main station building though, retaining the original roof and awning: This was part of the reason for me starting this layout; I wanted to recreate what I remembered... David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted July 16, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2012 Quick update on things so far: I've recalculated the bridge and found the columns on the island platform are not central; ie. the span over the Up platform is 8' shorter than the other one, so I'll have to redraw it out and position the platforms correctly. I thought it looked odd at the time but now I know...always worth rechecking everything!! I'm off to Prestatyn next Monday to visit my parents so have put the model away for now; hopefully the trip will yield some useful pictures for siting the signal box, waiting room, old footbridge etc. which are all elements I'd like to include... Back soon David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Glad to read the wooden buildings are being rebuilt. LNWR style would be something wouldn't it. I wondered if th attached views are of assistance... Close up of the old footbridge on 10th July 1978. A Class 119 Gloucester Cross Country Unit is bound for Llandudno with the Manchester Club Train while 24047 is waiting to depart with te 16.42 Llandudno-Crewe.... A wider shot of the footbridge taken from the coal yard. 40063 (rebuilt with centre headcode box) wheels the 14.35 Llandudno Junction-Chester goods through the station on a hot and humid 19th August 1983... The only picture I have come up with so far showing the back of the signalbox.... The station buildings on 17th March 1990. 150127 is working the 11.20 Stalybridge-Llandudno from the seldom used Platform 1.... A wider view of Prestatyn during the building of a new footbridge on 10th January 1991. 142040 is working the 13.17 Llandudno-Wakefield.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 A look from the train the other day shows what I think is a very good replica of the prefab. buildings being constructed on site from new timber. Will it last 100 years like the original ? Must be a listed building ! Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted July 17, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2012 Glad to read the wooden buildings are being rebuilt. LNWR style would be something wouldn't it. I wondered if th attached views are of assistance... Close up of the old footbridge on 10th July 1978. A Class 119 Gloucester Cross Country Unit is bound for Llandudno with the Manchester Club Train while 24047 is waiting to depart with te 16.42 Llandudno-Crewe.... A wider shot of the footbridge taken from the coal yard. 40063 (rebuilt with centre headcode box) wheels the 14.35 Llandudno Junction-Chester goods through the station on a hot and humid 19th August 1983... The only picture I have come up with so far showing the back of the signalbox.... The station buildings on 17th March 1990. 150127 is working the 11.20 Stalybridge-Llandudno from the seldom used Platform 1.... A wider view of Prestatyn during the building of a new footbridge on 10th January 1991. 142040 is working the 13.17 Llandudno-Wakefield.... Wonderful Coach, thank you very much! The footbridge ones are particularly useful as the new monstrosity they've erected is so far from the original it's like something from another planet!! And interesting to see the shot of platform 1 being used; you can see on the left where the old waiting room used to be... I'll be looking at potential kits for the 'box next week as I've too many thumbs to scratchbuild one successfully - bit of an assortment by all accounts but there may be one I can use; we shall see! Thanks again David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted September 23, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2012 Can't believe it's been over two months since my last posting here; time does fly, especially during the Summer months, and it has been a particularly busy one! I did get away to Prestatyn in late July, and took some pictures of the referbishment/renovation of the station buildings. The builders on site said they had been trying to retain the original LNWR structure but the wood was so rotten it fell apart in their hands and they had to remake bespoke windows, doors etc. I think it's good that they are using the original design at least; makes measuring up for my version from the 70's that much easier too!! Anyway here they are: In this one you can see where they've kept some of the original roof brackets: Anyway, modelling has resumed, so my next post will hopefully have some info on baseboards and general foundational stuff! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted September 24, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2012 Here's a plan view of my proposed baseboards, and a (very) rough outline of the track plan for the layout. The overall dimensions are 11' x 26". The boards are: A = 2'6"x14", B = 6'6"x14", C = 2'x14", E + F = 5'6"x12" each (in case you're wondering, the diesel depot is on Board D, but as that sits above the fiddle yards it's not part of the main structure!!) The framework will be in 2x1 planed timber, with 12mm plywood tops, joined with some kind of bolts and alignment dowel system yet to be determined. I have the tops for Board A, B and C already so a trip to the timber yard is in order in the next week or so to get the rest!! The 3 boards at the front are separated at the moment as I only have an area the size of board B to work in, so that will be the main focus for now; boards A and C will be added as I expand across the joints, along with boards E and F as the space comes available. I will actually be able to set it all up in the dining room so hopefully I'll get to see it laid out before finalising everything. Questions/comments very welcome!! David Edited for measurement corrections! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Prestatyn Station really is a classic.....I mean who would have thought the national network would have rebuilt the old LNWR wooden buildings to match the originals. Surely deserving of an award. Good luck with the layout too.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted September 24, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2012 Prestatyn Station really is a classic.....I mean who would have thought the national network would have rebuilt the old LNWR wooden buildings to match the originals. Surely deserving of an award. Good luck with the layout too.... Thanks Coach; and yes, you're right - it was really odd walking round the 'new' station building as it's so close to the original it brought back memories of my youth hanging around on the platforms waiting for the next express to hurtle through. All it needs now is a suitably dirty-cream paint scheme and a few years' worth of grime on the windows and it'll be perfect More updates soon David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 It would be neat if the buildings were painted in LNWR colours with the old black & white finger signs but that is expecting too much. Arriva turquiose and ivory would be a trevesty but I for one owuld be happy to see BR maroon totems and signs plus carmine & cream paintwork recreating the 1950s and early 1960s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted September 29, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2012 Trip to the local DIY/General store today, where they cut all the wood for the baseboard frames for me. Shops like this are a goldmine of stuff for all manner of projects, and I've always tried to give them my custom as they are so much more helpful and friendly than the big out-of-towners... So now I have all I need to assemble the boards including 12mm ply tops, 2x1 frames and glues, screws and bolts for fastening; gonna be fun putting all that lot together!! More soon David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted October 29, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2012 Finally got round to assembling the baseboards: And here it all is tucked away on top of my old layout table; I'll try and get a fully-assembled shot of it at some point... More pics to follow; I'm in Prestatyn this week so I hope to get some shots of the new station which, when I arrived last night, looked really good!! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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