Bachmann hall

[B15nac]

I've just seen that they are recalling all the new hall class locos they have just released in the last week!! Apparently they have used parts of the modifiled hall by mistake or something like that

 

Regards Neil

[Andy Y]

Yes; a statement has been released this evening:

 

 

HALL CLASS 4-6-0 PRESS STATEMENT

 

 

Bachmann Europe Plc has today announced that distribution of the Hall Class locomotives have been suspended due to errors made in the production process.

 

Unfortunately some tooling from the Modified Hall has been used during production rather than the correct Hall tooling.

 

Just 200 models had been released when the errors came to light and these are being immediately recalled from dealers who received them. Any modeller who has taken delivery of 32-006 No. 6922 ‘Burton Hall’ should contact their supplier to arrange for it to be returned for a refund.

 

David Haarhaus, European Sales & Marketing Manager said “Fortunately errors of this type are rare and the model has been withdrawn with immediate effect. We appreciate the disappointment that this will cause to those who had been awaiting ‘Burton Hall’ with its DCC chassis but we are not prepared to compromise the standing of the Bachmann brand in the UK model railway market and we have taken the necessary steps to ensure that such errors do not occur in the future. I can only apologise to our customers in the meantime”.

 

 

[The Stationmaster]

Oops!  Ah well that's saved a few quid on my Wednesday shopping trip - every cloud has a silver lining.

[B15nac]

If you look at the pictures it looks like the out side steam pipes to the cylinders are the later modifiled hall type!

 

Regards Neil

[7013]

Reading Pat Hammond's review of the Hall yesterday on MREmag, I noticed that there was something odd about the picture, because my immediate thought was that this was the 'Modified Hall' re-released but Pats description was of the Un-modified model. The picture on Modelfair though shows an un-rebuilt Hall. (H)all very confusing, but credit where its due and Bachmann have responded quickly and efficiently. Those pesky Halls are having a difficult gestation, still I am sure both versions will look magnificent when they appear.

[bob hughes60]

Hmm. I ordered one yesterday from Hereford Models.

Due to their very efficient handling it arrived 9:10am this morning.

Now if only 200 were released and I've got one will it ever have rarity value if I hang on to it?

Or will it always just be a kludge of two sets of parts?

Bob Hughes

Edited June 11, 2013 by bob hughes60

[G-BOAF]

Clearly the Hall an Modified hall share a lot of the tooling in terms of inserts. The steam pipesfit into the running plate, but the running plate is an original hall running plate without frame extensions. Therefore there must be an insert to allow frame extensions and steam pipes, one of which has wrongly been used here, and combined with the modified hall smokebox!

If nothing else an insight into the tooling arrangement used!

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

...Or will it always just be a kludge of two sets of parts?...

 It's a whole new class, hodified Mall, first in class, 7930 Great Western Arcade. Other popular names were  7933 Burlington Arcade, 7941 Istanbul Grand Bazaar, 7952 Galleria Vittorio Emmanuel II, 7958 Marches des Enfants Rouges.

 

Dare you, see if anyone notices...

[brushman47544]

Interesting statement from Hattons on the product webpage http://www.ehattons.com/52568/Bachmann_Branchline_32_006_Class_4900_Hall_4_6_0_6922_Burton_Hall_in_BR_lined_green_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx:

 

 

On 10th June 2013 Bachmann issued a statement highlighting that some tooling from the Modified Hall has been used during the production of this item rather than the correct Hall tooling. We have opted to continue selling this item, but customers should be aware that Bachmann's official line was to recall the item to be replaced by a new version with the correct Hall tooling

 

 

So how will we - and Hattons when picking the a box from the probably large pile - know we are getting the correct version once it's available?

[luke_stevens]

 It's a whole new class, hodified Mall, first in class, 7930 Great Western Arcade. Other popular names were  7933 Burlington Arcade, 7941 Istanbul Grand Bazaar, 7952 Galleria Vittorio Emmanuel II, 7958 Marches des Enfants Rouges.

 

Dare you, see if anyone notices...

Now I wish I'd got one...

 

Then on to one of the fictional nameplate manufactures and 7941 would happly be pottering about!

 

Luke

[The Stationmaster]

Interesting statement from Hattons on the product webpage http://www.ehattons.com/52568/Bachmann_Branchline_32_006_Class_4900_Hall_4_6_0_6922_Burton_Hall_in_BR_lined_green_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx:

 

 

So how will we - and Hattons when picking the a box from the probably large pile - know we are getting the correct version once it's available?

Could be worse than that - if the correct ones appear with the same catalogue number as the incorrect ones and folk have been selling the incorrect versions it could lead to some cons of a nasty sort in the secondhand and Ebay market.  All well and good for Hattons cash flow or whatever but what about both enthusiasts and - more particularly - the uninformed/unwary now and in the future?  

 

And while you the purchaser has been warned presumably they've no comeback,  and more importantly no way of swapping for a correct model something which they have knowingly bought as incorrect - wonder what trading laws say about that?

 

But look on the bright side, at least the double home goals, on 'Hall' and Modified Hall' by Bachmann, were not scored by Hornby or this thread would now be up to at least 6 pages about the company (delete the following according to taste) going down the pan/going to the dogs/needing to move manufacture somewhere else/showing that design whatever really isn't clever/threatening the future of railway modelling on most of the planet/not caring about enthusiasts/any other sort of moan you care to promote.  Bachmann certainly seem to have boobed rather spectacularly but they have been quick to deal with the problems by - in both cases - withdrawing the models at the earliest opportunity after alarm bells rang.

 

All we have to do now is wait.

[stewartingram]

I thought all these GW Panniers were the same anyway.....

 

hat, coat,.....

 

Stewart

[The Stationmaster]

I thought all these GW Panniers were the same anyway.....

 

hat, coat,.....

 

Stewart

No, no - you've got it all wrong; some had copper capped chimneys and some didn't (but you need to be a connoisseur to appreciate that - or probably to even notice it )

[stewartingram]

But what a funny railway - naming some of its tanks! (told you all these GW engines were the same!)

 

Over here on the proper railway, where we painted things dark blue, we didn't need to tart them up with flashy copper bits

[Ozexpatriate]

But look on the bright side, at least the double home goals, on 'Hall' and Modified Hall' by Bachmann, were not scored by Hornby or this thread would now be up to at least 6 pages about the company (delete the following according to taste) going down the pan/going to the dogs/needing to move manufacture somewhere else/showing that design whatever really isn't clever/threatening the future of railway modelling on most of the planet/not caring about enthusiasts/any other sort of moan you care to promote.

Mike, that was my first thought as well. There are days where we collectively seem to have a bit of a double standard here. Mistakes, while unfortunate, can happen to anyone - as this incident proves only too well.

 

On a related topic, my replacement B set bogies arrived yesterday.

[The Stationmaster]

But what a funny railway - naming some of its tanks! (told you all these GW engines were the same!)

 

Over here on the proper railway, where we painted things dark blue, we didn't need to tart them up with flashy copper bits

Maybe not copper but definitely some shiny brass bits - I can recall going to Norwich a long time ago and coming across something called an E4 which had shiny brass beading round the wheel splashers. I think you might have come across it in your travels? ...tehehe ...  

[neal]

It does however have a re-tooled smoke box (for the 3-row superheater version?) - which I don't think has been done before.  Suitable for Olton Hall amongst others.

 

- and it has a copper top to the chimney.

 

Bachmann haven't had much luck with Halls this year!

 

N

[Adams442T]

 

No, no - you've got it all wrong; some had copper capped chimneys and some didn't (but you need to be a connoisseur to appreciate that - or probably to even notice it )

 

Connoisseur :  A person of informed and discriminating taste.  Er.......... GW Pannier Tanks.............. er, what, those dumpy green things? 

Edited June 11, 2013 by Adams442T

[Gilwell Park]

Trouble with the dark blue engines is they could not pull the skin off a rice pudding!!!!!!

81C

Then how did they run the country's most intensive steam suburban service with 0-6-0 & 0-6-2 tanks when the GWR needed 2-6-2t to potter about west of London.  Also the GE main line out of Liverpool St has steeper gradients than out of Paddington, yet still ran a better service. All trains to the same standard, not one or two fast, eg Cheltenham Flyer, and the rest slow.  Roger.

[neal]

Then how did they run the country's most intensive steam suburban service with 0-6-0 & 0-6-2 tanks when the GWR needed 2-6-2t to potter about west of London. Also the GE main line out of Liverpool St has steeper gradients than out of Paddington, yet still ran a better service. All trains to the same standard, not one or two fast, eg Cheltenham Flyer, and the rest slow. Roger.

There's only one way to sort this argument out...............

 

 

Nationalisation!!!!

 

 

 

N

Edited June 11, 2013 by neal

[luke_stevens]

 It's a whole new class, hodified Mall, first in class, 7930 Great Western Arcade. Other popular names were  7933 Burlington Arcade, 7941 Istanbul Grand Bazaar, 7952 Galleria Vittorio Emmanuel II, 7958 Marches des Enfants Rouges.

 

Dare you, see if anyone notices...

 

A few mins with Paint...

 

Not terribly accurate but interesting to consider.

 

 

Luke

[Welchester]

I can't help feeling that the GWR would have preferred Constantinople to Istanbul.

[Combe Martin]

But look on the bright side, at least the double home goals, on 'Hall' and Modified Hall' by Bachmann, were not scored by Hornby or this thread would now be up to at least 6 pages about the company (delete the following according to taste) going down the pan/going to the dogs/needing to move manufacture somewhere else/showing that design whatever really isn't clever/threatening the future of railway modelling on most of the planet/not caring about enthusiasts/any other sort of moan you care to promote.  Bachmann certainly seem to have boobed rather spectacularly but they have been quick to deal with the problems by - in both cases - withdrawing the models at the earliest opportunity after alarm bells rang.

I can't help but agree with this.  Where are all the 'knockers'. Why arn't you slagging off Bachmann like you did when someone in China fitted the wrong bogies to Hornby's B set coaches. Yes, Bachmann have responded quickly, but so did Hornby.  I'm afraid there's a lot of bias being shown here.  Come on all you Hornby knockers, here's an opportunity to show you'r not biased by crucifying Bachmann.  But you won't will you, because you'r biased.    

[frobisher]

I can't help but agree with this.  Where are all the 'knockers'. Why arn't you slagging off Bachmann like you did when someone in China fitted the wrong bogies to Hornby's B set coaches. Yes, Bachmann have responded quickly, but so did Hornby.  I'm afraid there's a lot of bias being shown here.  Come on all you Hornby knockers, here's an opportunity to show you'r not biased by crucifying Bachmann.  But you won't will you, because you'r biased.

There's a bit of a difference here though. The first I was aware of the problem was the Bachmann press release on the matter, whereas there was quite a bit of to and fro here before Hornby commented on the B Set issue. Bachmann do seem to be a bit quicker off the mark to note and sort out issues like this, but also there is a significant chunk of people who are happy to lay into Hornby at every available opportunity.

 

We're all biased, we just don't often recognise what our biases are and why they are. Hornby are not as closely engaged with the hobby community as Bachmann and Dapol (especially). Heljan are probably less engaged than Hornby and stand somewhat more aloof and whilst there is plenty of criticism of the product there doesn't seem to be the expectation that they are "listening to us". Hornby to a certain extent are damned if they do, damned if they don't. The only thing that will satisfy some people is every product they produce is perfect and cheaper than the oppositions' and that's never going to happen.

[Ian Hargrave]

Bachmann's fast reaction hasn't stopped The Signal Box putting one on e-bay this morning,with no warning to any potential purchaser.Disappointing.......but.hey ho,that's the way of it.