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More Musings on Bodmin and the 2010 Challange


The Fatadder

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Following on from my last blog 'Second Thoughts' I've been thinking some more about where I see my modelling going over the next couple of years.

 

First up the two baseboards that I have already are slightly too big for the 2010 challenge, which does add an extra complexity to my deliberations (mostly stemming from the fact that I dispise any form of woodwork, and while I do keep having thoughts about building a metal framed baseboard, it dosnt suit its self to the sort of odd shape that I would be looking at building for a challenge layout.

That should be the end of it, but.......

 

The first problem is with stock; As I have mentioned before, I have currently got stock for 4 main periods focused around the south west, This includes the early 80s, late 80s, 1998 and 2003-2006. On top of this there is also a bunch of stock still left over from some previous projects.

This really is just a bit too much stock (I think I have 7 or 8 Class 50s, getting on for 15 37s, umpteen 47s etc etc etc) even with a large continuous run layout, there is still way more stock than I will ever use.

 

So the logical thing is to try and thin some of it down, getting rid of some of the 'its nice but little use' locos, (Just to stop the pms before they start flooding in, this is not intended as a For Sale thread. That will come later (if at all), more a case of putting thoughts into writing to try and get a clearer idea of what I actually want.

Looking at my fleet, am I ever going to need 4 different mainline steam locos? (particularly as the Mallard never ran in my area) Alas the Scotsman I have is half dismantled and will probably never be finished until I end up building a new chassis for it (more on this in a couple of lines time)

Similarly I have a pair of 456 kits that are half finished (still requiring a fair bit of scratch building on one of them) and a pair of 466 one of which is in bits half way through a motor swap. A box of Lima Class 73s (again all motorless awaiting Bachmann 25 power), a full set of blue pullman mk2s that still needs the buffets painting & upgrading + locos buying, again which falls slightly out of period.

Then we get onto things like the HSTs, and the long ballast rakes, ideal if a large continuous run is built, but will those models still be current when (if) that ever happens, and if it does happen I suspect I would wait for Showcase or Scaleforum to save on the hassle of postage etc.

 

So the logical thing is to sell it on, they are a sunk cost after all, not going to appreciate in value and it will give me a nice bit of extra income (that could be used to pay for building a new layout. The problem here comes back to that business with the 466 and the Scotsman, in that so much of it is only partially finished, meaning that I'd take a huge hit on the original (or finished) value of the item. I dont like loosing money.....

 

After thinking about all of this, I then started thinking about it all a little differently. At the moment I keep trying to make layouts which will serve as a background that will let me run a few bits of stock I really like. the early 80s gets me 37207, clay hoods and my peak, the late 80s gives redstripe, NSE 50s and the first period that I can properly remember from childhood, 98 gives GWT livery (my all time favourite) along with a really interesting traffic mix, while 2003-6 gives a period which still has a lot of interesting stuff, but more importantly is after the use of digital cameras became widespread, meaning most research can be done online (which suites me a lot better than books).

 

So maybe I am doing this the wrong way, maybe I should be continuing to build up a fleet for a 1998 layout that isnt China Clay meaning I keep the majority of my modern fleet (all be it with the later 2000s stuff slimmed down) and try to find a location which gives some of my other interests. That way the clay stuff can be kept to the 80s (minimising duplication of stock) and I can slim out a big chunk of duplicated models.

I do quite fancy something in early privatisation that has bother GWT running with some 3rd rail stuff......

 

After all of this, I return back to the 2010 challenge. I mentioned in the previous post that I am looking for a challenge with my modelling again, I want to try something that is a different challenge. Maybe if I went thorough with this cull, I may actually be able to do that. A couple of thoughts last night were looking around the southern region before the end of the slam door stock, though it does have the problem that while there is a challenge in the fact that all the stock needs to be kit built, they basicly share the same construction process so after one CIG I suspect the challenge will have worn off and be back to the dull repetitive stuff I cant really be bothered with.

The other idea was well and truly out of the box, which was to have a go at Broad gauge steam, practically everything would be different to what I'm used to, with having to build a different style of track, everything from kits etc. Of course there is the other option of just deciding that maybe its the hobby as a whole thats not doing anything for me at the moment, and that maybe selling most of it up and trying something else for a couple of years might be a good idea.....

 

 

Anyway, if anyone is still reading this nonsense, thanks for sticking through it. Suspect that Warley could be interesting this year, as it would be good to sound a few more people out on a few ideas...

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and while I do keep having thoughts about building a metal framed baseboard, it dosnt suit its self to the sort of odd shape that I would be looking at building for a challenge layout.

 

"Having welded up the baseboards, I found I had a solid box at the front. As I had a spare engine in the garage from the old mini , I checked and found it would fit, and I've rigged up a belt drive to the casters on the legs. First tests on the A38 suggest it can manage about 35mph down hill , and if I can find space for a large enough petrol tank I can drive the layout to Warley without needing to hire a van at all. However Porlock Hill may be a problem , but I can always remove the fiddle yard and reattach it at the top .." [ Sorry, my imagination is misbehaving at the moment. Down, boy!]

 

The problem here comes back to that business with the 466 and the Scotsman, in that so much of it is only partially finished, meaning that I'd take a huge hit on the original (or finished) value of the item. I dont like loosing money.....

 

Which can very easily translate into doing a lot of work to finish models because you don't want them and want to sell them...

 

 

I do quite fancy something in early privatisation that has both GWT running with some 3rd rail stuff......

 

Which more or less restricts you to Reading, unless you want to play about with an idea that's crossed my mind in the past, where Silchester did not die out with the Romans, Reading never happened as more than a village, and there's a large ancient county town in Berkshire between the GW and LSW main lines served by both companies

 

A couple of thoughts last night were looking around the southern region before the end of the slam door stock,

 

If we're on the brink of the 4-CEP , it may be worth factoring into this, though whether that's compatible with 456 + 466 I don't know. But you are going to need to handle at least 8 car trains (almost 8' long) to make the Southern look sensible? It might be compatible with 50s though - the Oxford trains saw them

 

The other idea was well and truly out of the box, which was to have a go at Broad gauge steam, practically everything would be different to what I'm used to, with having to build a different style of track, everything from kits etc

 

its been done in 3mm - Bagborough.("Its a GW branch line, Jim. But not as we know it") If you're building everything yourself , the pressures to adopt a commercial gauge disappear . But I don't know what kits are available in what scales. As an aside , the best consensus of Trollope scholarship seems to be that Barchester was the terminus of a branch until the late 1850s , when the line presumably was extended - there's a summary description of a journey up to Paddington in the latter part of "The Warden"

 

Of course there is the other option of just deciding that maybe its the hobby as a whole thats not doing anything for me at the moment, and that maybe selling most of it up and trying something else for a couple of years might be a good idea.....

 

 

The risk is that when you start again you'll want to use a lot of things you sold off- and can't replace without a lot of time effort and money

 

Of course you could just model the Woodhead Route in the steam/electric changeover - Bachmann 04 , DC Kits EM1 , plain Scotsman in NE wartime black...

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If we're on the brink of the 4-CEP , it may be worth factoring into this, though whether that's compatible with 456 + 466 I don't know.

Either way the 456 and 466 arnt going to be compatible I think (at least not without a lot of modellers licence) so I suspect that the 466s will be disposed of. The problem with the introduction of the CEP (and for that matter the EPB or any other EMUs that follow the CEP) is that it pretty much comes out at exactly the same point that I am in at the moment, in that its back to just buying RTR, minor detailing for a couple of hours along with a rewheel and putting it back in its box...

 

The risk is that when you start again you'll want to use a lot of things you sold off- and can't replace without a lot of time effort and money

that is a big part of the problem. Certainly at the moment there are certain bits of stock, such as 37207 or my GWT HST set that are ringfenced from sale simply because I know how much of a pain they would be to replace. Other bits like my prototype deltic it gets a bit more tricky to decide.....

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Interesting blog. I can relate to a lot of the comments because like me, you've got enough stock to justify multiple layouts.

It's partly the reason I built Wheal Elizabeth, a rolling time period with a prototype that (just about) gets away with it. I'm also struggling with the what to do next scenario. Depends how long it takes you to churn a layout out I suppose. 1 every 2 years is fine for small-ish layouts, but I've only managed 2 layouts since starting in 2001, so I'm working on a 4 year cycle. This means I'll have to think about the future very carefully before choosing the next project I guess!

I think I'm coming round to another floating timescale project, one where I can just watch the trains go by. So if you ever have the need to get rid of stock, or maybe just want somewhere to operate it, you never know!

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The make lots of layouts to give opportunities to run it on was partially where I was thinking originally, but the space issues do get in the way of that some what.

Mostly because too much of my stock is built up in full mainline rakes (and hence you need some fairly large layouts to have a chance of running it all.

 

A further consideration which has come up this afternoon with the 80s stuff, was the realisation that I dont actually like 80s passenger trains. The multiple units have absolutely no appeal, and for the most part loco hauled workings (with the exception of my short 4 coach mk1 rake) take up too much space.

One thing I did rather like were the DCC couplings that Jim SW was showing off on his work bench a few weeks back, quite tempted to have a crack at converting a couple of wagons with those and maybe think again at a smaller 80s freight layout.......

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