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coombe junction - moorswater - cladding - episode IV a new hope...

bcnPete

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Update - Following the setbacks from last time, and slight loss of mojo, I retreated from the layout and immersed myself in a string of christmas parties and the final season of 24, which provided about 10 evenings of time to reflect on my way forward taking into account the helpful comments and suggestions received and the conclusions to date.

 

Last night, I returned, determined not to send any euros winging to the swear box (tis the season of goodwill after all) and started by cutting out postcard templates to fit the elevations, to allow more work to be done on the flat. I also received by post, a scriber (thanks for the tip and link jim s-w ;)) although I will tackle this a bit later.

Thus the elevations started something like this....

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This enabled me to mark out the lines of the cladding and help with alignment (Bernard...this time the joints line through ;)) and at the corners. I used a 2mm strip of doublesided tape to act as the spacer between the sheets to help express the horizontal joints giving this...

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The elevations have been temporarily attached to the card carcus with doublesided tape as this...

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The corner joint is in theory a cladding capping piece so I will add this on after and then perhaps add a further cover strip in paper to overlap the cladding slightly. The photos are a bit crude in that the shadow between the joints appears to be larger than it is, but it is barely noticeable from some angles and I think will provide a basis for the painting and weathering. I need to think about scribing the joints now and also adding the roof panels.

That's all for now though...hoping to get another night in on it later in the week when my wife disappears for another christmas knees up...

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Hi Pete, looking good. I don't think I would bother trying to scribe in the vertical joints, really easy to overdo it. I would let the painting and weathering suggest the joints. Have a look at the roof on the screens on the colliery. I laid the longest strips I could handle on this and simply let the paint do the rest. Often less is more in 2mm. Having followed your thread with interest, in particular your excellent sketches, I have no doubt that your artistic talents are more than up to the job.

Jerry

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richbrummitt

What's going to happen when the empire strikes back in episode V though? It could be disaster just around the corner.

 

Sorry; couldn't resist :P

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Bryn

I'm going to have to agree with Jerry on this one. You're much better off masking off the sheets and painting the odd sheet a slightly different tone. Think about painting brick work on a large scale, you wouldn't do every brick a differnt colour, just the odd one to give it some variety.

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Chris Nevard

Spot on advice on colouring, always good to avoid that 'painting by numbers effect' frequently seen on lesser layouts (especially stonework). It will save you time too - but you know all this I'm sure!

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Mickey

Like the good chaps above, I'd not scribe the verticals......As Im typing this I can look outta the window at an asbestos barn roof, the typical "At Cost" variety; it just happens to be about 150 feet away and there is no sign whatsoever of vertical joints between the sheeting - it looks for all the world like two long strips of plasticard ;)

 

It is very wet today so the roof is extra dark, but even on a dry sunny day there is no sign of the joints....

 

Good to see the return of CJ to these pages though :)

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Ahem...sorry folks...bit of a double blog entry going on this morning - my PC crashed as it was saving so I reloaded it...a classic mistake...had to delete the other one but thanks for your comments on it Chris and Bryn.

 

Kris - Thanks

 

Jerry - Thank you and also for the link - I think you are right...the roof you did on HC is a great example.

 

Rich - I added that to stir up Kevin (SithLord) - its a shame he no longer subscribes to RMWeb as I miss the banter...but I think he reads all the RSS feeds on the 2FS homepage :P

 

Bryn - Thanks also - agreed - I assume you are not going to handpick each brick out on the CBG shed then ;)

 

Chris - Many thanks (and for your comment on the other blog!) Not sure I did know all this...am making it up as I go along.

 

Mickey - Thanks - Good analogy with the barn roof - the more I look at the Moorswater photos, the more you read horizontal than vertical. It's good to be back too...hope my staying power lasts a bit longer this time.

 

Thanks all for the comments above - I will crack on with the cladding as this and try and let the painting express the verticals - I guess if it all goes wrong I can always get the scribe onto it :blink:

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Nice work Pete.B)

 

Sounds as if a few Christmas bashes have got your eye in on the cladding. It looks really neat, and as you say with a bit of scribing and weathering I think you're on the right track (Concrete inset of course :lol: ).

 

You sound a lot more positive with it all as well which is always a good sign.;)

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

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I think you've got you eye in now. Great work Pete.

The piece in the 2mm mag seems a long way back from this.

Don

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Mark - Thanks - Now I have a direction I am happy with I hope to make some progress this side of Christmas on this building.

 

Don - Thanks also - The article is an attempt to describe the process of how I work through use of sketches and models. The next part will bring things up to date as of now, leaving possibly a third and final part when the layout is finished :O

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bcnPete
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Looking good, Pete; I agree the vertical joins should be just paint/weathering lines. Well done! :D

 

Thanks Bernard - I had you in mind as I was aligning each of the vertical ribs in the cladding :)

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Stoker

For the sake of your sanity in future, may I recommend this product?

 

http://www.mikronmod...orrugated-Sheet

 

I now use this for all my corrugated structures in N. It's great stuff, takes a while to learn the tricks of using it, but once you get the hang of lining up the sheets the detail is excellent. Don't get me wrong though, what you've done so far does look great, but I think you're going to have to move past this cladding stage fairly soon before you start to get fed up with this project. Hence why I'm suggesting something that has done the overlaps for you.

 

However, I am relieved to see that you've decided to just go along with horizontal strips, rather than attempting to apply the cladding in prototypical individual sheets. Believe me once you've weathered it, you won't notice any mistakes or lack of detail - and it's so small anyway that it's not exactly like it stands out. We're talking a tenth of a millimeter detail depth of overlapped sheets. That's shallower than a coat of paint, and quite simply just wouldn't be visible to the naked eye.

 

Regards,

Scott.

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bcnPete
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Thanks Scott...it's on the shopping list...for now I will continue with the evergreen...having bought 2 new packs the other day...that should see the dries complete.

 

Agreed...it's been a struggle...but sometimes the circle has to be completed to find the right solution and now I just have to complete the shell so I can begin the (hopefully) painless stone cladding on the other building.

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Mickey

Slightly O/T but I see Hattons and Rails have the Farish Cement tanks as in stock now....so maybe we will see Moorswater "as is" shortly ? ;)

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bcnPete
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Mickey,

 

Thanks for this...funny enough...Hattons sent me both credit card/package sent emails yesterday for 4 taper bulk powder PCA's in grey...the other 4 to complete the rake, the blue circle ones, are due next spring though....so...you may just be right :P

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Thanks Scott...it's on the shopping list...for now I will continue with the evergreen...having bought 2 new packs the other day...that should see the dries complete.

 

Agreed...it's been a struggle...but sometimes the circle has to be completed to find the right solution and now I just have to complete the shell so I can begin the (hopefully) painless stone cladding on the other building.

 

Agreed. I've probably gone through just about every single method now and it's still not perfect. Even though the ratio sheets are great, they're no good for windows, because the plastic is too thick. So I mainly only use it for roofs and windowless walls.

 

Ratio, in the same product line as the corrugated sheets, do some good stone sheets, probably the best I've seen in N for doing Cornish stonework. Good luck with it anyway.

 

Regards,

Scott.

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bcnPete
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Scott

 

Thanks again - I have already purchased a load of Slaters stone sheets a while back so I will probably use those. Thanks for the tip though.

 

The real challenge will be Moorswater viaduct...as to get that right I am going to have to make some individual stones :blink:

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