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  1. Thanks very much for this info so far all, this is a cracker thread. Speaking of Austria, the Ganz railcar was built in Birmingham to an Austrian design (capable of 70mph!), so I suppose that sort of counts. It was trialled on the LMS before being taken to Ireland in 1951 by the UTA. That silver princess thing was also used by CIÉ.
  2. Hi all I'm sure a lot of us are familiar with exported BR stock - various MK Is and IIs, 08s, 58s, 20s, RB3, some of the Internationals to name a few. I was wondering if anyone has any reference to any items of standard gauge stock that were used elsewhere in the world and bought over to Britain for service, or at least for use in preservation that isn't for in a field etc.? I imagine that loading gauge will severely limit the answers that I will get! I think these are all of the examples still around that were originally used in Britain, taken to Ireland, then made the full circle back over there again: - MK I genny vans 3188, 3177, 3178 and 3172. There was another one as well but it was scrapped - Ex-MR coaches bought over during the war, LMS NCC 238 and 241 - Ex-BR MK IIs NIR 924, 546. There were a good few more of these plus an IÉ MK II bought over but they were then scrapped
  3. This is quite something. An interesting alternative to these new-fangled track recording coaches https://its.smugmug.com/Travel/2012-Photos/July-2012/i-DhNQznf (scroll down!)
  4. There is around 800km of 3' gauge railway in Ireland, operated by the Irish turf company, Bord na Móna. This gauge was used by most narrow gauge railways there.
  5. The Ulster Transport Authority wins hands-down for going the furthest with railcar freight - their '70' class overfloor-engined units regularly hauled complete CIÉ freights from London/Derry to Lisburn. The earlier underfloor-engined MPD ('Multi-Purpose-Diesel') railcars were also used on general freight, apparently being capable of hauling about 10 loaded wagons each. Failures, however, were very high. Twin-end (bubble) cars were also regularly used for shunting as well. Earlier railcars and railbuses from the SLNCR, GNR, and NCC, had the capability of hauling the odd van or a specially-designed luggage wagon. The more recent '80' class from the 1970s, with a 4SRKT engine the same as the 70s, weren't used on freight but could happily haul eachother about and occasionally shunt or move the odd non-80 item of stock - I believe this also includes steam engine No. 85 'Merlin'. Other instances when they were used like locos included the transfer of the three 'DH' locos for preservation, and power car 90 hauling 450 class railcar 458 (again with a 4SRKT engine) from Belfast Central to York Road Depot. Some nice photos of the 70s in action here: http://www.preservedthumpers.com/nir-thumper-freight.html
  6. Hi all - these may be of interest. I visited the two remaining MK IIIAs (Internationals) recently, 6203 (the green one - ex-99524) at Carragh Nurseries (garden centre) near Naas, and 6205 (ex-99526) at Killashee House Hotel, also near Naas. The latter body doesn't appear to want 6205 or the Craven also on site, 1558, because they're such eyesores. Probably not what BREL was expecting of these 30 years ago!
  7. I quote from another forum: 'I was on the Cork-Dublin train at 15:30 yesterday and there was a "Cu na Mara" coach mixed into a standard IE Mark 3 set. While the Cu na Mara / international coach was indeed a bit more spacious it suffered from extremely poor lighting. The interior of the coach was so dim that it was difficult to read a newspaper. All of the lights seemed to be working so I can only assume that it is some kind of a design flaw or that IE had a dimmer activated! Overall, I didn't like the coach much at all. The windows are *WAY* too heavily tinted for Irish weather, the interior seemed dull and grey and dead compared to the MK3s. The automatic carriage end doors were very narrow and difficult to move luggage through. The luggage racks were tiny. The toilets cubicals were darkly coloured and generally not very nice. It also seemed to have features from the older MK2 fleet. i.e. the lighting arrangement looked similar, the air conditioners seemed to be at either end of the luggage racks etc.. Ugly riviting / screws all around the windows etc To top that off the automatic door at one end of the coach wasn't working and the heating was pretty ineffective. There was a noticable draft all the time and compared to the MK3 coaches the temprature was way lower on board. I can see why this coach type wasn't really the huge international sucess that BREL intended. I would reckon that the normal IE Mark 3 stock is vastly superior from a customer experience point of view. They're actually quite pleasant on board and the interior finish and panels are far more "finished" looking. The International/Cu na Mara coach seemed a bit more "screwed together".'
  8. Thanks all very much - I'd very much like to see the two that are left in Nass http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=3495 Could this be the coach you're looking for?
  9. Hello all I hear that each of the International coaches had different interior layouts - would anyone happen to be able to give a general idea of what the layouts were for each coach? (An opinion on what it was like to travel on them would be appreciated as well - apparently they weren't great!) Also, would anyone happen to know which coach became which when they were sold and renumbered to IE to become the Cu na Mara set?
  10. Pink and purple coaches! You never notice how blindingly weird something is when it's just, "there," all the time

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    2. Nelson Jackson

      Nelson Jackson

      This at downpatrick yeah xD

  11. Not strictly from the UK, but it was at the time of building in 1897: MGWR 84, Clifden, Ireland From my rather dull and vague notes on it: MGWR 84 was built in 1897 as a 5-compartment third in Broadstone, according to Atock’s standard design for 3rd class modernisation. Seats 60. Two endmost compartments had a half-partition (half-back) between them, and a ladies-only compartment was present at the other end. One of 77 built between 1890 and 1900. “M,” suffix added to Midland stock after GSR amalgamation. Became a second in 1954 when third class was abolished. Became departamental 467A after withdrawal (1964?). Preserved by GSRPS in Mallow in early-1980s, and saved by private members when the group collapsed. Arrived at Clifden Station House Hotel in 2000-and-something for eventual restoration for their museum (ex-trainshed). Restoration (which probably won't happen) will probably cost about €75,000. It's not really much of a shame, I suppose, we already have two others the same and a third which is very similar. There was the very tattered remains of a GNR (of Ireland, that is) 6-wheeler near my house that I was eager to see, but unfortunately just before I was going to get a proper visit to it last year I had learned that it had fallen apart http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/34/65/346570_80f19ddf.jpg As bad as it looks, it would have been interesting to see. However, I think the one at Downpatrick and the one in Omeath are similar enough
  12. The MGWR of Ireland had some of their, "A Class" (Celtic) locos in a rather nice-looking shade of dark blue. http://www.steamindex.com/media/celtic.jpg To go with it, a group of their coaches (mostly bogies from what I understand, but some were 6-wheelers) carried the same dark blue but with upper panels highlighted in cream with black and straw(/gold?) lining. Sources appear to vary on how long they had this livery (I think from either 1901-05 or 1901-15) for or how many got it, but the remains of some of the blue can be seen on one of the MGWR coaches at Downpatrick railway. The shade was probably similar to what's on MGWR 47, "The Dargan Saloon," which is at Cultra. Blue could be seen again on the isolated Waterford and Tramore line until about 1925 - their first class coaches were dark blue with orange frames (similar to an, "Irn Bru," bottle, perhaps!) Another interesting livery from Ireland went onto CIÉ's new diesels in the 1950s - the A, Sulzer (B101), C, E(401) and G(601) class locomotives carried it, under frames covered and all! Similarly, the new, "Laminate," coaches of 1956-7 also had this livery, which gave way to the well known green from 1958. This silver rolling stock pattern was deviated from in an odd way by the GM 121 class locos that were introduced in 1962, which arrived in grey with yellow logos, numbers, and wasp stripes on the cowcatcher/bufferbeam things. Of course, we can't forget the famous, "SuperTrain," livery of the '70s, orange/brown with black stripes! Apart the CBSCR (green), and GSWR (brown or purple lake and cream - see GSWR 836 and 1097 at Downpatrick), I'm quite sure that maroon was on all coaches of the relatively large railway companies in the Republic directly prior to the 1925 GSR amalgamation.
  13. Hello all Does anyone happen to have any decent photos of GER unscumbled brown (I think it's very similar to that of the MGWR's brown livery?), or something which would be similar to the mahogany of the GNR of Ireland? Thanks in advance
  14. Happy 20th birthday, Father Ted!

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    2. Horsetan

      Horsetan

      ....I understand.

    3. big jim

      big jim

      can we all stand for the irish national anthem?

    4. Horsetan

      Horsetan

      Ah, Father Billy! The Spinmaster!

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