Black 5 Bear

I don't blame you Mike. Personally, I'll keep my two pre orders going with Hornby, as the Caprotti version isn't currently in the main range and the S+S version was secured for a very good price, which will be even better with spending a few points. If I encounter any of the reported problems with these models, they will be returned for a replacement or refund.

Maybe an opportunity for some enterprising individual(s) from smaller suppliers to produce working replacement lamps? At least we still have the option of their removal and the fitting of the lamp irons from the accessory pack.

The fit/finish on this loco does bode well for the BR versions, which by all accounts (S+S excepted) are imminent.

I saw the LMS version 5200 displayed in the glass cabinet at Model Junction in Bury St Edmunds last Saturday. Despite the misgivings of many on here about the lamps, they actually look ok and don't overly detract from the overall look of the model. Maybe this is due to the them being black rather than white on the BR versions? Hopefully, the spare lamp irons as promised by Hornby will be included with these locos. IMHO, this model is a major step up from the previous incarnation. Looking forward to receiving my pre-ordered Caprotti and Steam/Sound versions whenever they may arrive.

R30224, the LMS version 5200 is shown as in stock.

I think Fran and Mc C both mentioned in previous posts that no money is required to be paid until the pre ordered items are in stock....

Still shown on the official OR website as £19.95 RRP for all variants, but I fully expect this will change. Rails of Sheffield for example have it listed for pre-order for £16.95!

Sounds as though it's a gearing problem. I recently had a similar issue with a loco drive A4 as you describe. Fortunately, Ian of Redgate Models (RM Web member) was able to help. Definitely worth a PM!

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It was my understanding from previous posts/Hornby that spare lamps and irons would be interchangeable to give the purchaser a choice. I get the distinct feeling the lighting issue will be the same as on the Turbomotive.

Who's moaning exactly? Not me as I won't be buying and will wait for one of the new manufacturers to produce a better representation of the 8F. I'm just pointing out the obvious!

But why should any prospective purchaser have to replace parts on a new loco costing £225 discounted?

An Accurascale Locomotion special edition.

Having seen this latest Hornby release today at my local model shop, I think I'll wait for one of the "New Kids on the Block" to produce an all new 8F. IMHO, very much an open goal!

Lendons is another spares emporium where you may source such items.