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5 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:
Assuming that I could actually see it on the 7th as I was yesterday able to get booked in for a cataract operation on the previous day.
I know this is way off topic but I strongly recommend this operation. I have had mine done and it gave me the best vision since my childhood. In an effort to bring us back on topic, your colour vision may improve so I hope whatever is announced on 7th will have the livery details correct!
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2 hours ago, Fishoutofwater said:
Probably Feb 7th, as that is the first Wednesday of the month.
and the 'frothing' window usually opens around the last Wednesday of the preceding month!
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8 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:
Wearing hats during that period, standing on the platform yes, but would they all have kept them on once seated inside the rail motor ??
Careful. There are some on this forum who will now want the hats supplied separately in an accessories bag. Feet and legs too probably!
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2 hours ago, Karl said:
A possible difference is the tender. I don't know what 92134 ran with in service but it didn't have a tender when it entered preservation. I think the one it is running with is on hire from a standard 5 owning group.
92134 is listed as being paired with a BR1C in 1959 when 9Fs were still being delivered.
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4 hours ago, Islesy said:
.....to prevent any ambiguity the cab will be swapped to the lower arc version and the bunker rails will be switched to the filled in versions, so that the model’s operating period can be extended into the 1930s.
These improvements should be in place for when we receive the decoration samples, hopefully in time for the beginning of the 2024 show season.
All the best,
Paul
From the evidence available, including the learned contribution from Pint of Adnams, it appears that you have made the right decision re changing to the lower arc roof. Many thanks for your positive response to feedback on here (particularly given it is a Sunday). My order is secure and I am sure you will be rewarded with many more.
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On 04/10/2023 at 19:01, Bucoops said:
Nice 🙂 but still too early with that roof 😑 go on - you know you want to to one suitable for mid to late 1930s 😁
Bucoops makes an important point. Checking the Yeadon register, no.27 had it's roof lowered during a general repair at Stratford between 14/4 and 20/8/1925. The same date given for it's renumbering to 7027. It should therefore have the same cab profile as that you have already tooled for 68646, ie lower than the chimney top. Happy to wait a little longer for mine in the interests of accuracy.🙂
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1 hour ago, GeoffBird said:
Now they are almost here in the UK ,I can`t wait to start a new file "Accurascale's Second Steam Locomotive!´"!!!
You may be a bit late for that. They have announced a J67/68/69 'Buckjumper'. By all means start a frothfest about their 3rd though!🙂
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5 hours ago, cctransuk said:
I have just noticed something in the official photo of the completed wagon (above); the upper end doors are unpainted, except the hinges - which are black.
The body sides, upper end doors and roof of the TCV were fibreglass panels, which had a slightly brownish cream colour at that time. Fibreglass panels were translucent when unpainted, and were often used for diesel locomotive rooves in order to admit light into the engine-room.
In the case of the TCV, the roof had eight 'windows' - four on each side and offset from the opposite side. These 'windows' are recorded as being translucent, so probably simply unpainted areas of the fibreglass panelling.
The official photo appears to have the whole of the upper end doors as unpainted fibreglass, with only the hinges painted black. (I had initially perceived this appearance to reflected highlights, but then realised that the contrast with the hinges was too great)
It would make sense for the end doors to be translucent, thus admitting light to the interior when closed.
If this was indeed the case, it has implications for the liveries of the forthcoming models ........!
John Isherwood.
On the other hand the photographs posted on pages 2 and 3 of this thread of the blue and maroon liveries show the end doors in blue and black respectively. Are sure these were fibreglass? The bi-fold nature of the door design requires several hinges and one wonders how this material would perform in daily use.
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40 minutes ago, SteamingWales said:
So when do we actually get to see what is in the box?
I.e. not the foam or the plastic sleeve or the instruction/info sheet or the extra part bag but an actual Manor?
Not for ages yet. What we are witnessing is history in the making. The longest ever unboxing video in freeze frame format. I'm lapping up every frame 😁
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20 hours ago, Pre Grouping fan said:
Kernow's newsletter reports the trio of Southern livery Bulleids has arrived at Guildford and due at the warehouse next week
Collected mine from my local shop on Thursday. Had to return one of the brake thirds the next day as it had been supplied with the chassis from the BR green version, resulting in the boarding step appearing beneath the toilet window! Shop was able to swap for a good 'un. After Bachmann had gone to so much trouble to re-work these with the right numbering, lets hope it's an isolated case but one which intending purchasers might want to watch out for.
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7 hours ago, The Johnster said:
*Off the top of my head, GWR... 64xx, 4575, 5101, 43xx, Hall/Modified Hall, 28xx, 2884, 42xx, 5205, 72xx, 8750. LMS... Stanier Mogul, Crab, Jubilee, Jinty, 4F, Ivatt 2MT Mogul, Ivatt 2MT prairie. Southern Railway... Bullied light pacific rebuilt and unrebuilt, Q, N15, S15. BR Standard... DoG, 5MT, 4MT 4-6-0, 4MT 2-6-0, 4MT 2-6-4T. 28 classes, 30 if you count the rebuilt Bullied light pacific and Modified Hall as separate classes, that would not exist today had it not been for Dai Woodham wanting to keep a reserve of work for his 'boys'.
Off the top of my head two Jubilees were sold by BR directly into preservation, the pioneer Crab is in the NRM so too is light pacific Winston Churchill. BR Standard 5MT no 73050 went to Peterborough after withdrawal from Patricroft shed thence to the NVR. Doubtless further research would yield other examples.
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On 21/01/2023 at 22:22, rasalmon said:
Sadly, yes; they were apparently already made and on the boat when the November launch details resulted in the issue being raised. I have some transfers. Maybe I should re-do those on the Composite too with them higher up the panels?
If the mail order v high street retailer argument is still live can I post on behalf of the retailer? I pointed out the missing '3's to my local shop who advised me that they could fix the problem via a contact they use for weathering. In response to demand, Fox transfers have made up sheets with the correct number of 3s for a pair of brake thirds. You can order via their website and fit yourself. Enough to go round the whole production run apparently. My local shop charged a very modest fee to have them applied and matt varnished. Result, a happy Tramshed and a happy retailer who can now shift more units.
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19 hours ago, Pint of Adnams said:
As a general rule yes they were constructed as and paired for life, but there were accidents, carriages destroyed by enemy action in WW2, and some condemned earlier that resulted in some changes. I would have to sit down with the transcriptions of the records, crosschecked against Harris and other sources, to provide any form of a tabulation...
Probably not worth the effort (unless you want something to contemplate over a pint of the Sole Bay nectar) but thanks all the same.
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Another question for the experts...
Did the quad-arts 'pair for life' to make up the 8 car sets? The table shows 'third' and 'composite' half sets making up set 90, set 74 and so forth, but I imagine the advantage of being able to split them in the middle (rather than have an 'oct-art' so to speak) is that they could be taken out of service for repair and maintenance while keeping the 'good' half available. If 97 were built, this suggests at least one 'spare'.
As this is a fairly expensive project (this is not a rant about price - I understand the reasons) some might be tempted to, for example, pair a set with a ducketted/recessed guards compartment with one without. Would this be prototypical? Presumably the ability to split up an 8-car set had advantages when it came to repainting. During transition periods, would this have extended to pairing teak with crimson or crimson with maroon?
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22 hours ago, Ellis Clark Trains said:
Whoops!
Changed this now and re-attached the correct chart :)
<pedant mode>
It seems that the pattern of vehicle numbering increases by increments of 1 as we move from the brake end to the middle of the train within each half set. The composite half of set 90 appears to be the exception. Have you numbered them the right way round? Shame to issue incorrect instruction to the factory on what is an otherwise excellent project.
</pedant mode>
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Do any of the learned contributors to this thread know the difference between diagram 72 brake 3rds and diagram 72B? or between 68 and 68B brake 2nds?
Also a note to Clarks. The 'tricomposite' end of sets 79 and 74 appear to have been given the same vehicle running numbers. Probably nothing more serious than a copy & paste oversight but mention it in case🙂. This seems to be the only duplicate.
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11 hours ago, Pint of Adnams said:
This is a challenging problem because the timings sit at overlapping periods of the number and livery periods.
359 was out-shopped in late April 1923.
L.N.E. & R. came into use in March 1923 (save for Doncaster, which omitted the full stops). The full stops were omitted from May 1923. So in theory 359 fell within this short period for that style.
Between June and September 1923 the ampersand was omitted and by that September the Area suffix was put into effect. 359 was next in shops during October-November 1924, by which time it should have emerged with plain LNER on the tank sides and the smaller E suffix, i.e. 359E.
There were obviously variations in implementation at the various works and Stratford still had a lot of grey paint and large numbers to use up.
Thanks P of A for this. However, Yeadon 48 shows this loco as having its 4 digit (+7000) number applied from the date it emerged from its Oct-Nov '24 shopping. Searching around other examples in the volume suggests that the '+7000' numbers were applied from as early as January '24 and so the 'E' suffix was only applied for a short time towards the end of 1923. So it appears Accurascale have got this right (or at least beyond reasonable challenge among learned RM Web folk).
According to Yeadon, the GER grey paint, if deemed to be in good condition, was retained after 1/1/23 and several even had +7000 numbers applied in large numerals over it. Perhaps another variant to emerge in due course!
The various painting/numbering schemes must have made perfect sense at the time, and it is something of a bonus that it sustains discussion a century later!
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On 17/03/2023 at 17:52, Bucoops said:
Absolutely right for me. But...
The only LNER one is only valid for 1923/4. I want to support it and buy one but what to do :(
The particular loco (7)359 if given the 'LNER' without the '&' would still only be good for '25/26 as it was 'shopped' in 1/27 and given additional coal rails on the bunker. Then in 1929 had the condensing apparatus removed.
The significance of this is that '359' (built 1892) was one of the R24s that were retro fitted with condensing gear from 1893 and so did not have the raised 'screen' portion on the side tanks. Later ones had the characteristic shape of the S56s. When the tanks were enlarged during rebuilding in 1904 the original 'straight top' side tank profile was retained.
From the shape of the red lining on the Accurascale model, it appears, from what I can see, that this variant has been correctly observed. My only ask is that Accurascale investigate whether the number 359 should have an 'E' suffix. I have ordered an L&NER black one and a GER blue and congratulate Accurascale for taking on this complex project.
I expect other livery versions will appear in due course. From the sequence of SKU numbers it looks as if there are sufficient gaps for at least another 8!
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On 24/02/2023 at 19:25, Sam Szeto said:
Confused. The product is called "British Empire Exhibition Condition", but isn't that what the Dublo R30207 condition is?
At the BEE, Scotsman had the taller cab, with LNER and 4472 on the tender (like R30207). But the box for the locomotion models edition shows it with the lower cab and 4472 on the cab.
Whilst this is arguably the most famous guise (LNER 4472 A1 corridor tender, the look she had for the majority of the LNER years), and was missing from the Dublo lineup, why is it being advertised as BEE? Also a "lower" price of £250 means presumably not Dublo (this diecast), even though it's the livery most people wanted.
Confusing and expensive
Have we been told exactly what will be inside the box? Is "BEE condition" the condition it was in around the time of the exhibition or the condition it was actually displayed in? RCTS 'Green book' vol. 2A fig.5 shows the loco displayed with a 6 wheel tender borrowed from class K3 (for display space reasons iirc). If the Locomotion version comes with an 8 wheel tender then this leaves yet another version for Hornby to exploit in 2024 for the centenary of the exhibition itself!
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9 minutes ago, Garry D100 said:
Hi Tramshed,
Thank you very much for your reply.
I was considering the early crest one too and then started to change my mind thinking the LNER red lined one might be best and probably still around. There is a Sonic version with British Railways on the side and that was under my consideration too.
Its one of those isnt it, i'll never really know for sure but can only decide based on information, pictures and personal choice I guess.
Its all very interesting to learn from you chaps, I always thought the NE branded locos were before LNER. And is the LNER white lined earlier than LNER red lined?
I remember my father saying he remembered wood and varnish coaches as well as painted ones, im thinking these could have been teak suburban's hanging around still. He also remembered the loco as a tank engine, but not as big as Fairburns or Standard tanks I showed him. Wish id asked more questions, but the A5 model wasnt announced then to prompt the discussion.
So im on the fence with early crest and LNER red lined.
Thank you again, im finding it all very interesting :-)
Garry
Yes you are right. With apologies to Sonic they do offer a BRITISH RAILWAYS version. This or the BR early crest would suit you. The LNER black with red lining would have gone by 1940. Another trap to avoid is the bunker coal rails that were changed from 5 rails to 3 (or more accurately 2 plus angle iron) from sometime in the 1930s following the installation of mechanical coaling plants from 1932. The LNER black with red lining has the 5 rail arrangement.
The varnished teak (or teak finish) rolling stock would have been the Gresley or Thompson stock. It is doubtful whether all these would have all received crimson paint by 1950.
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On 16/02/2023 at 21:31, Garry D100 said:
Hi,
Im thinking of buying an A5 to recreate the service my dad travelled on to school from Bredbury to Macclesfield on the Manchester London Road service around the mid 1940s to very early 50s.
Would I be best to go for the early crest version for this time period im thinking, I realise liveries overlapped a lot, but I cannot find a picture of an LNER version on the service.
I have found this lovely photo in the 1950s which looks like a late crest version.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thanoz/4431201995/
Could anyone help me identify the coaching stock please and if its available in RTR form or any other that might have been used on the run.
Id love to model this service in his memory :-)
Many thanks for any assistance.
Garry
Garry,
I have nothing to add to the advice from learned contributors on the question of the rolling stock, but your other question related to the locomotive livery for 'mid 1940s to very early 1050s' overlap. My advice would be to go for an early crest version as I believe the late crest did not appear until around 1957. By the mid 1940's it is likely that the A5 would have lost the LNER lettering in favour of just 'NE' on the tank sides as a wartime economy. The next development would have been the 1946 renumbering scheme which gave the A5s numbers in the 98xx sequence. Nationalisation from 1948 saw many locomotives given 'BRITISH RAILWAYS' in full lettering on their tanks. Neither of these three variants are currently offered by Sonic and would require the customer to apply their own paint, transfers etc. I believe the early crest appeared from about 1950 and thus closest to your target time period.
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On 10/02/2023 at 07:35, JSpencer said:
I would prefer to buy more trains than go on holiday. Unfortunately my family disagrees...😉
Look at it this way. The holiday is probably cheaper than a divorce. At least this way, JSpencer gets to keep the D1!
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8 hours ago, Hilux5972 said:
I’ll probably get shot for this since I’m a GWR man, but the B1 and B2 look exactly the same to me. Was there a difference?
The B2 had larger diameter driving wheels. Think Hall and Saint if it helps 😉
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8 hours ago, Red Devil said:
Both got de streamlined at Gorton, there's pics in Dave Gosling's excellent 'Gorton Tank'.....
If you need an excuse for one heading 'somewhere north', I guess both worked to Gorton over Woodhead for that.
Must admit I quite fancy one....
Photos in the RCTS volume of these taken at Grantham and Doncaster works, the latter in 1939 so not just from build.
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What about passengers using the lav for its intended purpose? Unless the passenger fitted sets included a ticket inspector there would be no need to hide!