Tramshed

19 hours ago, wainwright1 said:

Could this be accurately produced in NER livery ?

 

Ray

I believe this was covered by JaymzHatstand in March 2019. Answer is yes it should be possible as tooling includes P3 (LNER d. 57) boiler and tall(er) chimney (though on many of the class the chimney height was reduced twice in LNER days according to the 'green book' vol.5). I would certainly be next to wainwright1 in the queue if it was ever released.

Email from delivery company suggests 737 should be here sometime today. 

1 hour ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

More accurately, the parcels that you thought you were sneaking in,

 

In my retail days, I had many customers who would ask for their parcels to be delivered to a friend.

In case my wife rings when I'm in my local model shop, the manager there has created a special sound file to make it sound like I'm down the pub! 

On 29/05/2021 at 09:41, cctransuk said:

 

Errors of the type that I refer to are avoidable errors; due diligence would ensure that they did not occur.

 

I will not apologise for pointing out such things - in the (forlorn?) hope that it will encourage manufacturers to up their game.

 

CJI.

I'm not sure if expressing a twinge of sympathy for manufactures is permitted within the RMweb rules (and in the case of a commission it is unclear where the blame lies between Dapol and Rails) but there is arguably a case that we as the informed buying public are also at fault. Many screen inches are taken up with people complaining about long lead times (I want it now!) and those who bemoan the lack of opportunity for constructive comment during the development process in the case of shorter lead times.

In the case of the Wainwright D, the product was announced in October 2019. The livery artwork for the Southern olive version was displayed then (link provided by Graham Muz). Just under a year later the livery samples were revealed. Much reaction followed along the lines of 'urgh! I don't like that shade of green'. So the producers changed it to the shade we see on the production version which has since been well received. Perhaps if someone had pointed out the incorrect typeface for the tender numerals at the same time, this too could have been changed.

On 31/03/2021 at 23:53, D9001 said:

I am seriously beginning to think that I may not live long enough to receive my Hush Hush. I’m 61 for God’s sake get a move on! 

I too am 61 but ever the optimist! Following all the feedback from purchasers of the A2/2s, reporting poor build quality, missing parts, etc., Hornby may have decided to delay release until they run the whole batch through an additional QC check. It would be a pity if you had to send back a faulty one just as the grim reaper............

1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said:

Yesterday it was said an old channel has was being used to allow ships around the blockage.

Alas, on the section south of the Great Bitter Lake there is no alternative channel. In the grand scheme of things another two weeks (if that is what it is) is neither here nor there. Speculation now is that they may have to remove containers to re-float the vessel. Then presumably they get reloaded. I suspect there will be wider implications for the economy than a few models being late to the shops.

17 hours ago, Bishdurham said:

Has there been any word on the LNER versions?  I have a pre-order for Chamossaire.  Will it arrive before the Hush Hush or the J27 or will it all arrive at the same time with the NER Railcar?

 

Bishduram captures perfectly the position of the hopeless addict in (I suspect) many of us. The industry knows who we are and keeps us interested. Ever noticed how new items often slip from Q4 in one year to Q1 the next, just when the new products are announced. Before delivery of the A2/3 they announce a P2/2 thus ensuring our 'needs list' never gets shorter! I predict the latter will slip into Q1 2022, by which time we will see an announcement of.......K4? V4? B16? J6? who knows?

7 hours ago, davidw said:

No it doesn't sound thick as there is a "family resemblance" with Thompson Pacifics, that could lead one to believe that they're very similar. The wheel base is very similar, but the A2/1s were derived from v2's, as V2 boilers were used. Landscapes who frequently posts on this thread has a PDK kitbuilt A2/1. And an A2/3. Cab layout, smoke deflectors and the layout of the s bend in the foot plate differ and so on. Apparently when DJH produced their Thompson kits the A2/1 was considered, along with the A2/2 and A2/3. But dismissed due to significant differences. Hornby I recall hearing came to the same conclusion. PDK do a  kit of the a2/1 if you want one. And Mick Bennet has converted a Bachmann peppercorn A2 to an A2/1 using Graeme King resin parts and Morgan Gilbert's etched valve gear. Will we ever see an A2/1 RTR? Well each member of the class is different from the other but who would have believed we'd have any RTR Thompson 18 months ago.

Hope that helps

I guess another consideration that put Hornby off an A2/1 is the 'what does an 'LNER' version look like?' question. This class underwent changes to smoke deflectors, numbers, tenders etc in their early years and not all followed the same progression. All were built with 6 wheel tenders (V2 heritage) and outshopped in black with 'NE' on the tender and 4 digit numbers between May 1944 and January 1945. The most extreme case appears to be 3697 which underwent 7 changes in appearance in 3 years! In 1946 it had the letters on the tender changed from 'NE' to 'LNER' on 2/3 and the number changed to 508 on 20/7. In 1947 it had the wing type deflectors replaced with conventional type on 17/1 and was named 'Duke of Rothsay'. In 1948 the number acquired an 'E' prefix on 6/2 before becoming 60508 on 26/5. On 24/9 the same year it was painted in 'LNER' green but with 'BRITISH RAILWAYS' in full on the tender. Finally on 15/6/49 it was painted in BR green at the same time as it had its tender changed to the 8 wheel type. Some sympathy with manufacturers trying to pick a winner. 

In the hope that this photo appears OK, I include one of a cigarette card inherited from my late father illustrating what appears to be a 6 wheel coach converted for weedkilling train purposes. Apologies for the indifferent quality but it is mounted behind glass with 49 others and inseparable. Curiously it appears at first glance to have lookout duckets at both ends though those nearest the artist seem to be cut off at the waist (so to speak). The card dates from the 1930's and is one of a series depicting 'railway equipment'. The train looks as if it might be GWR in origin but doubtless learned colleagues will confirm or otherwise and risk an off topic thread diversion. I post only in case it provides inspiration for someone with the requisite skills to try a model of it based on one of the current offerings (either Hattons or Hornby). Best of luck.

1 hour ago, JamieR4489 said:

I thought Knight of the Thistle was correct for both the order and the racehorse?

Indeed. This is what Yeadon has to say on the subject "2564's use of 'Knight of the Thistle' apparently came to the notice of Lord Lyon, King of Arms in Scotland, and incurred his displeasure. When that engine was in Doncaster for general repair 9th November 1932 until 2nd January 1933, they saw fit to remove those plates and substitute new ones showing 'KNIGHT OF THISTLE', which was meaningless, both for the Order, and equally, for the race horse. The engine then carried these innocuous plates to its withdrawal". I guess the moral of this story is that then, as now, its not the facts of the case that matter but who gets control of the narrative!

1 hour ago, 2750Papyrus said:

Hornby, you'll get in trouble if you don't decide between Knight of the Thistle and Knight of Thistle!

Both are correct. Or rather, both were carried by the locomotive. The Hornby model depicts the earlier form of 'Knight of the Thistle' as built in August 1924 but which was an incorrect title. The error was corrected to 'Knight of Thistle' in December 1932. However, the locomotive was paired with a corridor tender in July 1928 and was not paired with a GN type tender again until June 1937. It went into wartime black in March 1944. The illustration therefore is correct for the period 8/24 until 7/28.

2 hours ago, JohnR said:

I was going to say "Nothing in it for me"..... but then remembered the spring of 1953 when V2's came to the rescue of the Western Division of the Southern when the Bulleids were temporarily withdraw for axle problems.....

It might come down to whether or not the front steps are part of the body moulding or come in a separate parts bag. 60893, 60896, 60908, 60917, 60917 & 60928 were the locos involved in this transfer and all 6 had their front steps removed due to platform clearance issues. The cylinder drain pipes had to be attached to iron bars fashioned for the purpose.

2 hours ago, BrushVeteran said:

Tramshed is correct, there will be two versions of the GN cab, original GN loading gauge and Gresley LNER modified loading gauge.

Many thanks BV. Tramshed is not always right about everything but is also delighted. Not least because the mid 2022 release date gives Tramshed's wallet time to go through counselling. 

On 11/12/2020 at 20:33, No Decorum said:

According to World of Railways today:

 

Extra versions of the new LNER ‘O2’ 2-8-0 have been included in the production run now in preparation, (my italics) adding further combinations of the GNR/LNER cabs and tenders, livery variations and two weathered BR editions.

 

EXTRA VERSIONS ADDED

GNR/LNER ‘O2’ 2-8-0 OO gauge

3900: LNER lined black O2/2 No. 3501 (GN cab/tender)

NEW 3901: BR late crest black O2/2 No. 63937 (GN cab/LNER flush-sided tender) WEATHERED

3902: BR early emblem black O2/2 No. 63933 (GN cab/tender)

3903: BR late crest black O2/2 No. 63940 (GN cab/tender)

NEW 3904 BRITISH RAILWAYS black O2/2 No. 63938 (GN cab/tender)

3930: GNR lined grey O2/1 No. 477 (GN high cab/tender)

3931: LNER black O2/1 No. 3481 (GN high cab/tender)

NEW 3932: LNER post-war black O2/1 No. 3481 (LNER cab/GN tender)

NEW 3934: BR late crest black O2/1 No. 63923 (LNER cab/LNER stepped side tender) 

3940: LNER wartime black O2/4 No. 3479 (LNER cab/GN tender)

NEW 3941: BR early emblem black O2/4 No. 63924 (LNER cab/GN tender) WEATHERED

3942: BR early emblem black O2/4 No. 63945 (LNER cab/GN tender)

3943: BR late crest black O2/4 No. 63932 (LNER cab/GN tender)

 

Happy days!

Forgive me if this has been covered elsewhere but the above post suggests that there will be 2 versions of the GN style cab. O2/1 with 'GN high cab' and O2/2 with 'GN cab'. If so this is excellent news as wisdom until now has been that the 'GN style' cab was going to be applied to both part 1 and 2 engines. Can anyone confirm?

After this years centenary 'releasefest', 2021 may see more limited additions to the range.

At the time they released the 'as built' MN, Hornby said they had the tooling options for each of the class variants. We are probably due for a 'middle third' (21C11-20) version of this class.

The Ivatt version of the Coronation pacific has yet to appear in LMS Black so I would not be surprised to see 'Sir William Stanier FRS' in this guise sometime soon.

On the modern image front, there may have been enough time since their UK launch to scan and tool a Stadler 755 bi-mode. This seems to tick several boxes since it does not require a layout with catenary and is available in 3 or 4 (OK 4 or 5 if you include the power car) lengths which should fit on most layouts. The power car provides a convenient and authentic place to put a sound chip/speaker and by now someone will have had the chance to create a sound file. If I keep guessing this, I will be right one year!

Reversing rod missing from the LNER ones but present on the BR versions and also on the photoshop images so sure it is just a sample assembly error. Excellent otherwise. Looking forward to production.

2 hours ago, 1466 said:

Hello Ray

I am going back nearly 70 years so memories are unreliable .

Church Path  is , I recall, a small alley off Church Road . There were small warehouses  around there and I recall smells  of paint and varnish being made . I also remember there was an industrial accident and 2 men were badly burned when a barrel of varnish caught fire . 
To be frank , I don’t know whether the site was an office or works . Mitcham had a  history chemical engineering so it could have been either . However I guess that making Benzole as a by product of coal gas production would need substantial plant .

One mystery for me is that  the Goods yard and Mitcham and the Gas works were separated and I don’t know how coal was transferred from the yard to the Gas works . I do recall huge 8 wheeler Foden  trucks with high sided bodies going past my first school which was located mid way between the two . I have assumed ( dangerous) that the Fodens transported coal one way and coke in return . This was around 1950 . 
I gather that Benzole’s HQ was in London , Victoria which , if correct , would lean me towards Mitcham being a production site .

My interest came from the introduction of the Bachmann 14 tanker in Benzole livery a long time ago . I saw a photo in one of Bill Hudson’s books on private owner years ago and bought a couple of Bachmann tankers  . I removed the inaccurate catwalks to kit bash a slightly more accurate rendition which had its faults . The Oxford tanker is much better .
Ive looked at the website of Merton Historical Society but can’t find any more details . That said , I’ve  ordered a book from them which touches on Mitcham Gas Works . If it sheds more light , I’ll come back .

Ken 
 

I am not sure if this helps but I have found the 'Alan Godfrey' series of map reprints very useful in identifying sites. Doubtless there will be one (possibly several for different years) covering this area. They usually have some useful historical information printed on the reverse and are very reasonably priced IMHO. Late 19th early 20th century tends to be the era covered by these maps.

On 10/09/2020 at 06:12, Opelsi said:

Surprised that no RTR 'Dancehall' brake has emerged as yet, bet they would be popular?

I think more learned contributors than I to this forum have covered this sub topic. 'Dance hall' vans  though of SECR design, only appeared after grouping with the possible exception of a prototype. There are several SR brake vans e.g. Pillbox, Queen Mary, Warner and (soon) Road vans, as well as the elderly LBSC van available, that I doubt the RTR market needs another SR van for what was predominantly a passenger railway. Happy to be proved wrong though. Agree the D looks fantastic and amply justifies investment in dark lake birdcages!

2 hours ago, GeoffBird said:

Absolutely marvellous - I'm glad I ordered one from Locomotion.  Obviouly "488" is a good number for a loco -  Adams Radial!

 

Do you know if there weill be a spare front bogie included like City of Truro for those People whio don't want a front coupling?

 

 

I had a look at the video of the product launch at the NRM last year. One of the presenters informs us that there will be a blanking plate that will fit into the front NEM pocket to  give a more authentic appearance.

14 hours ago, davidw said:

I'll be after "Sun castle" and "Thane of Fife"

davidw. Do you (or anyone else) know what became of the dedicated thread for the A2/2 & A2/3s?

12 hours ago, landscapes said:

Hi

 

I am modelling Haymarket MPD IN THE 1958/1959 period.

 

I have been looking at all the variations on the A2/2 Competed with the two options Hornby are producing.

 

I finally place an order for 60501 I thought about the various amendments required, new chimney, AWS bang plate, lowering the smoke box number plate and lamp iron and late crest on tender
 

I can carry out all alterations but not happy trying to removing the lump of plastics on the smoke box door representing the smoke box front number plate.

 

So I have decided  to just leave it as it is. Era 4.

 

Does anyone know when AWS was fitted to the A2/2’s.

 

Regards

 

David

The following is a direct quote from the RCTS green book vol 2A.

"In 1958-59 all except No. 60501 were fitted with the B.R. type Automatic Warning System".

60502 went in to Doncaster works for a general repair between 2/12/58 and 9/1/59 so this is probably the best candidate if you are looking for a precise date.

3 hours ago, davidw said:

CoftN would need it's smokebox number plate and lamp iron lowered. Not impossible but just more "little jobs".....

And the change to a cast chimney if your period is post 1959. Then there are the spoked tender wheels to change to discs (if spokes are supplied, they were in P2 form). Given that there are effectively 3 versions of this class, 2 x curved cab, 2 x straight cab with truncated 'V' and 2 x 'full V' cab with retained early boiler (not modelled), it occurs to me that for those who are prepared to wait, Hornby might eventually offer a 'late crested' 60502 to make full use of the tooling suite.

On 10/06/2020 at 12:40, davidw said:

 

Apologies - I forgot the chimney mods. But the tenders and cabs between 60501 and 60506 are different. On 60501 and 60502 the cabs have a turn in at the rear, and the tenders have a beading at the top. 60505/6 the cab have no turn-in and a streamlined highsided tender. 

The A2/2 is a minefield of options

At the risk of planting another mine in this already overpopulated field, the tenders of 60501 and 60502 were not identical either. Both engines kept their original tenders from building as P2s to scrapping as A2/2s. 60501 had spoked wheels while 60502 had discs (this also affected those attempting a conversion of the Hornby P2 from 2001 to 2002). The CAD earlier in this thread appears to show that Hornby have gone for discs so may be correct for 60502.

24 minutes ago, Tramshed said:

Diagram 118 boilers fitted to the class as follows:

60501 10/1952

60502 3/1951

60505 3/1952 until 9/1957 (dia 117 fitted)

60506 6/1952

60503 and 60504 retained their 106A boilers throughout

Information ex-RCTS 'Green books' vol 2A. Hope this helps.

Fred

You had me digging a bit further. The class acquired cast chimneys from April 1951 (60504) and four others between 1954 and 1958. 60506 was never so fitted. The above painting diagrams suggest 60501 is to be supplied with plain chimney so may be suitable for 60506. Just another thing to watch out for.

13 minutes ago, Fredo said:

Hi, can anyone confirm if the Hornby R3830 model of 60501 is suitable to be renumbered as 60502 or 60506, just want to confirm that the boiler Is compatible as a bit confused between 117 and 118 boiler types.

Thanks Fred

Diagram 118 boilers fitted to the class as follows:

60501 10/1952

60502 3/1951

60505 3/1952 until 9/1957 (dia 117 fitted)

60506 6/1952

60503 and 60504 retained their 106A boilers throughout

Information ex-RCTS 'Green books' vol 2A. Hope this helps.