Titan Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Philou said: I'm very late to the party - only on page 37 at the mo'. I have a question regarding pantos on the Class 87s: Why did they carry cross-arm ones instead of single arms? I thought cross-arms were from some prehistoric period concerning DC operations? An enquiring mind should like to know (apologies if the question has been raised elsewhere). Cheers, Philip I think you are confusing the cross arms with diamond pantographs. The old diamond pantographs (as incorrectly fitted to Lima class 87) may look similar at a glance, but they are usually much bigger and the arms don't cross. I am speculating, but the reason may have been that the cross arm provided more consistent operation in either direction compared to the Faively single arm type as they were symmetrical. Then BR in conjunction with Brecknell Willis developed the high speed single arm pantograph, which superseded it and became the design for high speed pantographs all over the world... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 @Titan Thanks for the reply - I hadn't realised that there was a difference in types of 'diamond/cross-arms' arms or even that the Stone-Faiveley (as on my Trix E3001) had been superseded by the Brecknell-Willis though I had of course seen B-W mentioned many times. There you go, and as they say over here 'I'll go to bed less stupid than when I got up!' Cheers, Philip 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 5 hours ago, jonny777 said: Were these clips taken with a phone? Yes, they were taken on a Samsung Galaxy S8 :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithlington smithe Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 90010 today at Rosegrove from Leeds Balm Road to Crewe Basford Hall,I presume fresh from tyre turning cheers David 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted May 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, smithlington smithe said: 90010 today at Rosegrove from Leeds Balm Road to Crewe Basford Hall,I presume fresh from tyre turning cheers David ... and a few minutes earlier passing through Brighouse. Edited May 17, 2021 by 4630 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithlington smithe Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 66557 then returned at 1650 passing Rosegrove again from Crewe Basford Hall to Hunslet Yard with 90049 and 90013 cheers David 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted May 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 18, 2021 21 hours ago, smithlington smithe said: 66557 then returned at 1650 passing Rosegrove again from Crewe Basford Hall to Hunslet Yard with 90049 and 90013 ... and a short time later 0Z90 passed through Brighouse. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted May 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 18, 2021 On 12/05/2021 at 10:40, Poor Old Bruce said: This is a photo of the first passenger-carrying APT at Atherstone on 7 Dec 1981 and 89001 on some pantograph aerodynamics tests at Old Dalby some time in the mid 1980s I think. April 1987 at Old Dalby for pantograph aerodynamic tuning tests according to traintesting.com (linked via Wayback Machine): https://web.archive.org/web/20200614174539/http://www.traintesting.com/class_89.htm The red/blue coach is Lab 6 'Prometheus'. https://web.archive.org/web/20160723232707/http://www.traintesting.com/images/class_89_aero_test_1987.jpg (Loco seems to be other way round in this pic) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexEclectic Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 On 12/05/2021 at 10:40, Poor Old Bruce said: and 89001 on some pantograph aerodynamics tests at Old Dalby some time in the mid 1980s I think. "Refreshes parts of the network others cannot reach..." 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devious diesel Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Leeds this evening 21.5.21 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devious diesel Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) Another shot or two. Edited May 19, 2021 by devious diesel 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithlington smithe Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 90049 and 90013 again after a trip to Leeds Balm Road this time sandwiched between 66606 and 66553 seen at Hapton station at 1255 returning to Crewe Basford Hall cheers David 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 'Twas a bit more grim for the same working at Coppull a bit later on... And a couple of celebs seen on Friday evening as they stopped at Preston on 4S47 - Malcolm livery 90024 and 'Backbone' black 90039... Thanks, Jack. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted May 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2021 A couple more of Freightliner 90013 and 90049 as they headed west back along the Calder Valley through Brighouse on 23rd May 2021, flanked by 66606 and 66553 with 6M90, Hunslet Yard to Crewe Basford Hall... ... with a further move east by another Freightliner electric in the form of 90003 on 23rd May 2021, led by 70020 and 70014 working 6E90 Crewe Basford Hall to Hunslet Yard, through a very wet Brighouse. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Recent DB90 action on 4M25 and 4S47 from different parts of Stafford 4M25 - DB90's - Backbone leading Malcolm through a very wet Stafford 2hrs and 8 minutes late today - 21st May 2021 4S47 - DB90s - Malcolm and Backbone on time - caught in the strong May evening sun - 90024 & 90039 - 17th May 2021 4M25 - DB90's - Backbone and Malcolm do the Queensville curve 4 mins early - 90039 & 90024 - teamred - 14th May 2021 4S47 - DB90's - Malcolm and Backbone moving at speed away from Stafford heading towards Heamies farm - 14th May 2021 4S47 - Malcolm and Bumblebee1 approaching Heamies farm bang on time at speed - 90024 & 90026 - 12th May 2021 Kat@johnsonstreetIEMD 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithlington smithe Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 90003 returned to Crewe Basford Hall today from Leeds Balm Road behind 66554 and 66531,seen rolling through Hapton station at 1510 cheers David 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted May 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, smithlington smithe said: 90003 returned to Crewe Basford Hall today from Leeds Balm Road cheers David And here's 90003 a little earlier this morning getting ready for her return journey, in the company of a trio of 66s, being shunted by 66614 1916 POPPY 2016... ...and later 0M90 approaching Brighouse. Edited May 27, 2021 by 4630 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithlington smithe Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 90013 again heading for Leeds Balm Road from Crewe with a noticeable wheel flat behind 66563,seen at Rosegrove running 154 minutes late at this point.This loco has only had a trip there on 23rd of May in fact it’s only a few posts up on this thread. cheers David Edited June 2, 2021 by smithlington smithe 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, smithlington smithe said: 90013 again heading for Leeds Balm Road from Crewe with a noticeable wheel flat behind 66563,seen at Rosegrove running 154 minutes late at this point.This loco has only had trip there on 23rd of May in fact it’s only a few posts up on this thread. cheers David About as bad a wheel flat as it’s possible to get judging by the noise when it passed me at Brighouse. In fact, it sounded distinctly like there were very bad flats on each bogie of the 90. It’s had an interesting journey (possibly less so for the driver I should imagine) judging from Real-time Trains and the rail map that I was watching. It was stationary for a long time at Wigan North Western, leaving there at +67 minutes and then again between Balshaw Lane and Euxton Junction, by which time it was +135 minutes. Is there ‘WheelChex’ (Wheel Impact Load Detector) equipment installed along the section of the WCML that it ran on between Crewe and Farington Junction? If so, I wonder if it triggered an alarm with Network Rail. Although timed to run at 75 mph, it was certainly being driven much slower as it passed me, probably around 30 mph and under clear signals so it’s not surprising that it lost even more time - it’s now +171minutes at Wakefield Kirkgate. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithlington smithe Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 6 hours ago, 4630 said: About as bad a wheel flat as it’s possible to get judging by the noise when it passed me at Brighouse. In fact, it sounded distinctly like there were very bad flats on each bogie of the 90. It’s had an interesting journey (possibly less so for the driver I should imagine) judging from Real-time Trains and the rail map that I was watching. It was stationary for a long time at Wigan North Western, leaving there at +67 minutes and then again between Balshaw Lane and Euxton Junction, by which time it was +135 minutes. Is there ‘WheelChex’ (Wheel Impact Load Detector) equipment installed along the section of the WCML that it ran on between Crewe and Farington Junction? If so, I wonder if it triggered an alarm with Network Rail. Although timed to run at 75 mph, it was certainly being driven much slower as it passed me, probably around 30 mph and under clear signals so it’s not surprising that it lost even more time - it’s now +171minutes at Wakefield Kirkgate. Yes you could be right it was on time before it arrived at Wigan unless it got worse as it got there and was going max 30 mph through Rosegrove,like you say the driver wouldn’t have been best pleased. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Spittles Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 90 016 and 90 044 passing Mill Meece this morning. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 A fairly new 313 seen in January 1977. Even the headcode blinds were in use then! 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Didn't even know they had headcode blinds when new. They also would have had seat padding that didn't yet feel if it was made up of rolled up Evening Standards. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2021 20 hours ago, Johann Marsbar said: A fairly new 313 seen in January 1977. Even the headcode blinds were in use then! Always thought it was odd these and 315s had headcodes as they were built after most other trains had stopped displaying them 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 4M25 / 4S47 action last week - Multimodal and Jack are back on duty this week (wc-14/6) - and Backbone is set to head back to Crewe having been on the circuit the week before. Monday - 7th - 4M25 Southbound Monday - 7th - 4S47 - Northbound Wednesday 9th - 4M25 - Southbound Wednesday 9th - 4S47 - Northbound Friday 11th - Multimodal (90019) and Jack (90036) ran both south and north but I didn't catch them. Kat@johnsonstreetIEMD 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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