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I wonder if sandpaper might not be the better option. The colour you are looking for seems to me to be the sort of colour some sandpaper comes in and the range of grades to choose from is extensive, right down  to very fine.Just a thought.

 

Great work though

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I suspect that the redness of the real ballast / gravel used on the WHL varies greatly with both age and current weather conditions, ie it will look fairly light pink after a bright sunny dry period yet one of those sudden highland showers that we've all been caught in will really bring that deeper red shade to the fore....and lets face it ....if it's sunny in Arrochar ....it can be lashing it down in Garelochhead ! :D

 

At the end of the day if it looks right to you .....then it is right. (IMO.)

 

PS - I've stopped worrying too much about the bridge trackbed as when I took your advice and rewatched one of my Cab Ride DVDs it became apparrent the majority of the bridges south of Rannoch have fully ballasted track running over them and if it wasn't for the side handrails you could almost miss them all together, Rannoch though is a bit different.

 

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Ian.

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Hi Rob

 

It maybe worthwhile contacting Mark Darragh who is on this forum with his layout 'Rannoch Moor' He has done the red ballast on his station and it looks excellent. 

 

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Stephen 

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I am grateful to the various suggestions about how to get the right gravel outcome. For now I have parked the issue short term although it needs a solution. 

 

Most importantly I manged to get on the golf course this morning for only my second round in 8 months. It was quieter than I expected and if the golf was a little rusty, it ws a pleasant way to spend the morning. Back to running trains this afternoon, 37014 headed 8B13, the 1315 Sighthill to Corpach northwards. This was followed by 27105 seen first running light engine southbound into Crianlarich and then returning later with a rare outing on 8B05 the 1449 Sighthill to Oban.

 

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Not much happening today, I am stiff in all the wrong places after yesterday's golf. In my old Loco Hauled Travel books the 0700 Mallaig Glasgow was shown as returning to Mallaig with the 1650 ex Glasgow. Given that this then worked the 0700 again the next morning, the loco could only do a few trips before requiring an exam. Therefore I treat the two trains as seperate diagrams with a fresh loco being turned out for the round trip. 37049 was rostered for the 1650 Glasgow to Mallaig today and is seen at Garelochead and Crianlarich on its way north.

 

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Several years ago I had a number of coaches weathered professionally and for variety I chose 3 different levels of weathering. The light and medium still look fine but the heavy weathering is over done. I compounded this on some of the coaches when the weathering was disturbed whilst renumbering a year or two back and I have not been able to find a solution that works. I recently picked up a potential way to deal with the problem on Everard Junction's Youtube site. He had found a way to remove weathering usually without damaging the original paint using a cleaning fluid. I duly bought some of the LA Totally Awesome and plonked the two sides of one of the worst coaches in the neat solution. 20 minutes later, a light brushing under cold water with an old toothbrush and wow, what a fantastic outcome. The sides look virtually new again. I will need to re-number the coach again but otherwise it is restored to how I want. Once re-assembled it will have a dirty chassis and roof with clean, carriage washed sides just as it should look for my 1980's era.  

 

Before, the mess and my embarrassing efforts at covering them up. Yuch

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Might as well add some passengers whilst the coach is dissassembled

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 The 'after' view, even one of the Railtech numbers survived. A couple of windows need re-glueing

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The cleaner, costs around £10 on Ebay

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Having gained the confidence that the weathering stripping process works with the SK yesterday, today I stripped two more of the weathered coaches that need a tidy up. Once dry, BCK 21269 got replacement numbers, some passengers in second class only (I refuse to have any first class passengers) and a Springside tail lamp. CK 16201 was also stripped and when dry, renumbered as 16200 because I did not have any 16201 transfers left, second class passengers and a tail lamp was also added.

 

BCK 21269 before cleaning with a messy renumbering job.

 

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After, clean body sides and fresh number. Hopefully a little matt varnish will secure the transfers and hide the old scratches.

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Rear of the BCK, I have taken to removing the top 3 steps on the left as these had largely been eradicated by the early 1980's. A bit of work sanding these down and then covering with a light weathering is still required.

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Feeling brave after the progress with the coaches I decided to try cleaning 37022 which had been heavily weathered several years ago. Originally The Class 37 Loco Group's 37003 which has the cantrail dividing bars, I had incorrectly renumbered this as a Vulcan built loco which I want to correct and renumber as an RSH centre headcode, ex South Wales loco although I have not decided which of 190,191 or 192 it will be. Currently I have a heavily weathered version of 192 which does not have the cantrail bars which will also get a cleaning bath and a swap of nose ends with ex 022 creating a split headcode Vulcan and a RSH centre head code loco. I would prefer nose ends without bufferbeam skirts but you can't have everything. 

 

37022 went into the LA fluid and cleaned up very well. A couple of very small bits of weathering remain but I am happy to leave as it will get re-weathered once renumbered. Otherwise the loco is virtually back to its factory finish. There was minor collateral damage in that one of the windscreen wipers went down the plughole when being rinsed off and was quickly followed by one of the handrails off of a drivers door. Several handrails came loose but only one found freedom, hopefully making a replacement should not be too difficult. If anyone has a spare windscreen wiper for a class 37 please let me know.

 

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"I refuse to have any passengers in 1st Class !" ......what, not even one of us (dis)honest 2nd Class citizens, trying to pull a fast one ....and being duly sent back to the masses by the guard ?? :rolleyes:

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23 hours ago, 03060 said:

"I refuse to have any passengers in 1st Class !" ......what, not even one of us (dis)honest 2nd Class citizens, trying to pull a fast one ....and being duly sent back to the masses by the guard ?? :rolleyes:

 

It is an unatural dislike on my part which I can indulge in on the basis it is my railway! Alternatively it can be attributed to the canny Scots and their reluctance to spend unnecessarily. Just for the record of course I never knowingly travelled in the wrong class of travel or without an appropriate ticket. :mocking_mini:

 

On a slightly more serious note, running trains will now take a back seat for a few days as I have lifted Fort William station onto my work bench. This will see point motors fitted, the track weathered and ballasted with the station platform height reduced by 3 or 4 mm to a more prototypical level before embedding it into the ballast. The last train to run for the immediate future was 37012 on an Oban to Glasgow service seen arriving from differing angles at Crianlarich. 

 

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A quiet day with just a little bit of activity with my renumbering project. What was 37022 has been cleaned and the nose ends swapped to a centre head code style to become 37192. The existing 37192 has been cleaned and swapped its centre head code nose with 37022’s old one to become 37111. Now I have the correct RSH and Vulcan bodyshell's on each loco.

 

Detailing is still incomplete and new Railtech numbers are awaited prior to a light weathering to finish. Despite the missing bits, the new locos are beginning to take shape. I do like the effects of not totally removing the old weathering which gives the effect I recall of a loco that has been through the wash but is not totally clean. This creates a useful starting point for a little more dirt to complete them but nowhere near the previous amounts.

 

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Well none of you reading this thread were paying attention to my school boy error in the previous post. Look at the pictures again and you will note that the split headcode loco has air horns on the roof and on its nose end whilst the centre headcode loco has no horns at all! This has blown my plans to model one of the old South Wales, RSH built steam heat locos that migrated north in the early 80's using the split headcode body shell and centre headcode nose end. Irrittatingly there is no model available with both cantrail dividers and roof mounted air horns so I will have to fabricate my own cantrail dividers if I am to do one of 37184, 188, 190,191 or 192. I know others have done this but I am not keen on the thought. 

 

I now need to find suitable locos that I can renumber the two locos.  37085 is currently favourite for the split headcode with cantrail dividers (it is the only choice given I already have 37081) and 37175 for the centre headcode. I already have a version of 37085 but the loco does not have cantrail grills dividers so I am thinking this gets renumbered as well, probably as 37022.   

 

On the basis that the class 37 fleet totals 16 and given all of my current faffing, I have made a commitment to myself that it should not grow further! 16 is enough locos to run the WTT and that's before I think about the 2 x 20 and 3 x 27's at my disposal. I have however bought a bodyshell for a centre headcode 37 and a non motorised chassis to create a dummy loco to run as a double header. I have not decided on a renumber for this as yet, I fancy one of the Eastfield NB ones to provide some excitement when it gets a passenger train outing. A little more research is required to determine which one I go for. 

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24 minutes ago, young37215 said:

Well none of you reading this thread were paying attention to my school boy error in the previous post.

 

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Good morning & enjoying reading about your layout.  Not sure if you have solved the gravel question - I used sharp sand for platform gravel, possibly a touch golden, & was able to make lovely tyre marks as the glue set.

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18 hours ago, duncan said:

Good morning & enjoying reading about your layout.  Not sure if you have solved the gravel question - I used sharp sand for platform gravel, possibly a touch golden, & was able to make lovely tyre marks as the glue set.

 

I think it highly likely that sand would be good from a size perspective but I doubt that it would be available in the pinky brown colour found on the WHL and I do'nt fnacy the task of colouring whatever I use as gravel. 

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I think it highly likely that sand would be good from a size perspective but I doubt that it would be available in the pinky brown colour found on the WHL and I do'nt fnacy the task of colouring whatever I use as gravel. 

Look up glasspebbles.co.uk. They do sand in 70 different colours

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David

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I had a look earlier to today at the various sand options at glasspebbles.co.uk where they have a couple of colours that look close to that I seek. My concern is that the available sizes are 0.2mm and 0.5mm which are described as like icing sugar and granular sugar respectively. Based upon these descriptions I estimate that these are much the same as the Geoscenics n guage ballast and dust which I already have. On the basis that 1KG only costs a few £, I will order a bag of 0.5mm sand and see how it looks in reality. Whilst the finer material is probably more accurate for scale, it looks wrong and is difficult to work with. My expectation is that the larger material will be similar to the Geoscenics n guage ballast but, hopefully, I will be proved wrong. 

 

I also managed a little time working earlier. I have become distracted from the planned work on Fort William by the effectiveness of the LA Totally Awesome for cleaning up badly weathered rolling stock and am currently sorting out various minor issues with a number of coaches. Whilst watching an Everard Junction video I learnt that Bachmann Mk2 BFK's are under size compared against the Mk1and when I looked closer this was quite noticeable. A gasket made by a hole punch through 1mm plasticard and cut to shape is placed on top of the bogie raising the height of the BFK to nearer that of the Mk1. A simple enough task that takes just a few minutes and is very effective.

 

I must get my focus back on Fort William!  

 

Bachmann Mk1 comapred against a Mk2

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gasket made in a few minutes out of 1mm plasticard

 

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The gasket sits on top of the bogie which simply screws back into place

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On 22/05/2020 at 17:36, young37215 said:

Well none of you reading this thread were paying attention to my school boy error in the previous post.

 

Perhaps we were paying attention but are just too polite to mention it...….

 

…… but then again...….  :whistle:

 

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More procrastination and delays to Fort William's development. Partly due to my awaiting some deliveries but mostly down to a loss of focus and my attention drifting to a recently conceived re-numbering programme. As it stands to day 37022 will become 37085, 37085 will become 37111 and 37192 will become 37175 once Steve at Railtech sends me the new transfers. There will be nose end swaps for all 3 locos and new oval buffers for 37175.  Fortunately I have a few sets of the Hornby Class 50 buffers which will fit 37175's chassis a treat.

 

On WHL3 I had begun to remove loco tension lock couplings and replace them with wire hoops. This freed up space for Bachmann snowploughs whch utilise the tension lock mounting and created space to allow detailing of the bufferbeams. Derailments were infrequent and those that ocurred did not seem to be caused by the wire loops. This changed when I began WHL 4 and I found that the wire loop fitted locos had a much higher rate of derailment. It was invariably the first coach or wagon behind the loco that was derailing and when I reverted to tension locks the derailments reduced significantly which seemd to confirm it was a problem with the wire hoop couplings. I have no idea why the change arose, the tightest curvature is Peco 2nd radius which was the same as WHL3 and there is a lot less of it on WHL4!

 

Only 37039 (pictured below) retains the wire hoops because they are heavily glued in place and I do'nt fancy trying to cut them out. Unfortunately this means that 37039 remains more prone to causing derailments than other locos which is frustrating. I want to find an alternative to the tension locks and have seen one or two options where the width of the wire hoop is much wider thus allowing greater side to side movement on the tension lock of whatever is being pulled. I have not got my head around the wider loops and where they slot into the bufferbeams as yet and would appreciate any photographs showing examples of this that I might try out.    

 

In summary, the revised programme of works at present has grown to: 

  • Fort William station. Completion of electrics, point motor fitting, track weathering and ballasting 
  • Ongoing coach refurbishment of poorly weathered coaches  
  • Renumbering of 3 class 37's

So much for more golf and less modelling!

 

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I had the same problem with home made write couplings similar to yours, coincidentally on a West Highland layout now dismantled. I played around with them for hours and eventually got them to work. I do think though looking at yours if it was wider i suspect the problem would go away.

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By all means get back to some golf but its important that the layout is ready when I am allowed to get over and do some driving.  

 

Regards

 

Doug

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12 hours ago, Dougjuk said:

By all means get back to some golf but its important that the layout is ready when I am allowed to get over and do some driving.  

 

 

There will be lots of time for driving once you have finished 'Dremelling' smooth the coach ends where about 120 or so steps have been removed but the coach end panels have not been smoothed off yet!

 

The picture below shows a wider wire style loop and I will be trialling something similar. I would love to find a solution for replacing the tension locks that works as it makes detailing so much easier and I can add snow ploughs which were such a common feature of locos on the WHL.

 

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I'm currently weighing up Sprat and Winkle vs Kadee magnetic couplers. I like the idea of the Kadee's  but as they fit into the NEM socket this does mean that you can't mount the snowploughs here. However in reality the snowploughs were mounted on the loco chassis rather than the bogies. Also I believe it was practice to remove the centre section of the ploughs in the summer. No idea why due to the extra workload and if anyone knows why I'd be very interested, and if I'm wrong corrected. However, as nice as chassis mounted ploughs look off scene sections of my layout will have "trainset curves" so potentially this could cause problems.

The Sprat and Winkle couplings reauire a lot more work as they are kits you have to put together and then mount to the stock. However the wide loop that you have pictured is still very subtle on the loco. Keeping the tension lock couplings isn't really an option for myself as I have a terminus layout and want to avoid hand of God operations. Much less of a problem for yourself. My coaches will be in fixed rakes using close couplings which I particularly like as there is also no slack to take up on departure. 

I'll be really interested to see what you go for but I do think that large loop if painted black would look pretty good and solve most of your wants and needs. 

Checking this thread for daily updates is really interesting. So not to much golf please Rob ;-)

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