Caley Jim Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 The proportions certainly look much better on the new drawing. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) Having made multiple attempts at this latest wagon a decision has been made for the sake of my sanity to send it to the breakers yard for recycling. There comes a time when no matter what one does this is never going to be a good model. I will retain the wheels and sprung w-irons for another day. Some you win ....... Edited January 10, 2020 by airnimal 2 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 11, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2020 Not wanting to waste the wagon frame I decided to do what was done in real life. I converted the dumb buffers to sprung buffers and build a new body. There is a photo in Bill Hudson's Private Owners Wagons by Oakwood Press showing a Buxton Lime Firms which had had just that operation done to it. I had a set of buffers that looked very similar so it was better than scrapping the complete wagon. Bill quotes dimensions in the text so it was easy to make a accurate enough body. 13 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 12, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2020 When I fitted the buffers one was catching the solebar on the inside. On inspection it had the hole drilled off centre. I should have sent it back, but a better solution was to fill the hole down the middle with off cut of white metal and drill it out again. Going to my box of old white metal castings ( ice cream tub ) I found a couple of round bits which I superglued into the body. I should have soldered them in but superglue work just as well. I then put it in the lathe and drilled it out using Methylated Spirits to stop the drill snagging. A start has been made on detaining the body with the first pair of corner plates put on from 10 thou. 9 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 13, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2020 A small amount of progress with the end stanchions glued on with Limonene. I find if I use Mek-pak on these it tends to bow the ends of the wagon in. I also use a block of wood to hold the ends while the glue is drying. The photo I am working from does not show the brake gear so I am going to make a quess at other wagons from the same area / company. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 13, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2020 This is one of those wagon with the nuts on the insides and rivets on the outside. Also one side door has a odd clasps on the door opening presumably through repairs. I have started to drill the holes for the rivets but found out I have only got a few rivets left of the size I require. A quick order to Historex has been done this morning for more. I have always had good service from them so with luck they will not be to long. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 14, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) I ordered some parts yesterday from Historex on the net and they arrived this morning. Magnificent service from this company. So I was able to continue with the detail adding more rivets. They really are coach bolts so I should call them that but they are described as rivets. On the photo of the wagon there is a mixture on the corner plates of bolts on the inside and outside where I presume the wagon has been repaired at some time. I drill the holes with an 18 thou drill but because these coach bolts ( rivets ) are slightly tapered so i use a fine broach to just take out the last couple of thou's which makes it easy to push them in tight without breaking them because they are quite soft. You can see I have still to put a few in on the left hand side. After I have put the coach bolts through the body I cut them off flush and then add square nuts. It is a lot of faffing about but I can't think of any other way. Also I have added a diamond plate that was fitted to wagons after they were converted from dumb buffers. There is a lot of work in building wagons like this and at times I wonder if I would be better to go R.T.R and buy things of the self. Edited January 14, 2020 by airnimal 9 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 do you buy or make your "C" shape plates for the solebars? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 14, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2020 Sir Douglas, I make my own crown plates by using a simple paper punch to punch a hole in some coloured plastkard. I then use a small home made jig turned from hard plastic obtained when I was last working, placed in the hole and cut around to make plastic washers. I clean them up and thin them to about 10 thou thickness with files / wet and dry paper before cutting them in half. To cut them so they are both even, I place the washers on a small cutting mat which has a square grid on it which makes it easy to see where to cut. 5 1 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted January 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2020 brilliant - sadly not suitable for smaller scales but brilliant nevertheless. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 thanks, ive been wondering for a while because i find a bit of a tedious task cutting them out individually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted January 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2020 I think this was in a fairly early MRJ. (Just checked: issue 52. By Mike.) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2020 Fame at last ! Does this mean that I have made it as a railway modeller ? The inside shows the coach bolts coming through before they are cut back and replaced with other strapping and square nuts. You can also see the wrong way round of the strapping that most wagons have. There is is still a fair bit to do. 10 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 20, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2020 I haven't finished the Buxton Lime Firms wagon but when the postman called today and he brought me a very fine set of etchings. When Narrow Planet couldn't / wouldn't except my commission for a selection of plates for a large number of wagons, Chris Brown very kindly offered to put them on a sheet he was doing with Graham ( Dog Star ). So with the weather been bright and sunny I took the opportunity to paint one of the wagons outside and take it inside and dry with the hair dryer. With any luck I will be able to put it all together tomorrow and fix the plates. The Haydock Collieries plates are excellent with an unusual font which will make the wagon stand out. I hope my efforts will do the plates justice. 12 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Tank Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Hi ya Mike good to chat today the plates are superb John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2020 Seriously liking the ballast wagon plates but why so many of the divisional plates per wagon? On my reading of LNWR Liveries, p. 139, there was one at one end only. I take it HD is the pre-1889 Holyhead District? I made some of these plates in 4 mm scale, but only printed on photographic paper, not exquisitely etched! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 05/05/2017 at 09:57, airnimal said: The first is a private owner wagon belonging to Richard Evans & co from Haydock Colliery. Painted and plated for the Brizzle Show? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbr Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 @Compound2632, Why so many ED ballast plates - Designer error - I got carried away laying out the etch... there are two versions however deliberately for Mike to choose between, one taken from the info provided by Mike, but the second one as a result of a photo I found online which suggested the numerals were larger than the letters on the bottom line, I have no idea if both are correct and one is early and one later, so provided both for Mike to choose. Regards, Chris 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 21, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 I was going to own up and say I don't know why I have so many ballast wagon plates but Chris has come along to my rescue. I was going to put it down old age and forgetfulness. I am just grateful Chris offered to draw these plates for me and a wonderful job he has made of them. I am not sure if a will be able to finish this wagon in time for the Bristol exhibition on Sunday. We have grandchildren tomorrow, that just leaves Thursday because I will be travelling to Swindon on Friday to stay with my eldest daughter for the weekend. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 22, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2020 I have had a stroke of luck this morning. My better half has taken our grandchildren out to visit a ex work college so leaving me to do a bit of modelling. So I have assembled the wheels and brake gear and given the interior a coat of paint. I still have the axleboxes and springs to paint and fit. I now have to cut out the etch plates and paint them to look like cast iron. I am not sure how I am going to achieve that. 4 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted January 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, airnimal said: I now have to cut out the etch plates and paint them to look like cast iron. I am not sure how I am going to achieve that. Dark grey and gunmetal (or just the latter)? Not sure if you would want to use the metallic version, though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted January 22, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2020 Regularity, I think I will try to blacken them first and then try to paint them with the gun metal as you suggest. I have cut them out very carefully holding them in a small vice brought from Eileen's to file the edge of the plate smooth. I have placed them on the wagon to get a feel of what it will be like when finished. 13 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 hours ago, airnimal said: I have had a stroke of luck this morning. My better half has taken our grandchildren out to visit a ex work college so leaving me to do a bit of modelling. So I have assembled the wheels and brake gear and given the interior a coat of paint. I still have the axleboxes and springs to paint and fit. I now have to cut out the etch plates and paint them to look like cast iron. I am not sure how I am going to achieve that. Very nice Mike, as always...With the cast iron plates I guess they would have been painted in real life? So black on white...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted January 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tricky said: With the cast iron plates I guess they would have been painted in real life? So black on white...? Cast iron isn't black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nickey Line Posted January 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, Regularity said: Cast iron isn't black. But paint can be... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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