Weathered 1980s Blue - Locos and Stock

[SouthernBlue80s]

Hi Andy

No I have put it on wet.

I tend to do a few bits such as bogies with paint such railmatch frame dirt black acrylic first.

Then I in this instance mixed up my own dirty powder using rusts browns and a hint of black and painted it all over. It seems not to take as well and sits on the surface once dry and then I rubbed it off or worked it in.

Then after having rubbed much of it off I worked it in with a soft brush with a hint of white and sand.

And then I dry brush on dark brown/black to pick out roof details ect

And then use the soft brush on it again.

It is the first time I have gone quite so mad with the weathering powder. But the gamble paid off the finished loco looks good. It is filthy south wales rail blue class 37. So that is why I tried this technique.

Hope this helps

Steve

[sb67]

Great stuff Steve, really like the 31, that looks every bit as filthy as I remember them.

Steve.

[leopardml2341]

Hi Andy

No I have put it on wet.

I tend to do a few bits such as bogies with paint such railmatch frame dirt black acrylic first.

Then I in this instance mixed up my own dirty powder using rusts browns and a hint of black and painted it all over. It seems not to take as well and sits on the surface once dry and then I rubbed it off or worked it in.

Then after having rubbed much of it off I worked it in with a soft brush with a hint of white and sand.

And then I dry brush on dark brown/black to pick out roof details ect

And then use the soft brush on it again.

It is the first time I have gone quite so mad with the weathering powder. But the gamble paid off the finished loco looks good. It is filthy south wales rail blue class 37. So that is why I tried this technique.

Hope this helps

Steve

Ok, thanks. Daft question time now then.

 

How do you apply powder 'wet'?

 

ps that 31 'is' truly excellent. Might I suggest a post of the first pic in the how realistic thread (with just a bit of cropping to focus on the loco)?

Edited November 30, 2018 by leopardml2341

[SouthernBlue80s]

Hi Andy

Thanks, I have stuck a picture in the realistic thread.

 

Once I have the powder mix that I require I mix it with some water to right consistency and paint it on. I always use a horizontal up and down motion with the brush over the roof as well as the sides. Hope this helps

 

Steve

[Shed]

Nice work

[SouthernBlue80s]

Finished Class 37 using my painted on weathering powder technique

 

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[SouthernBlue80s]

Going to stick this in here. So all my weathering stuff is in one place

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/138966-joe-and-steve%C2%B4s-respraying-and-weathering-of-dapols-73124/

 

Joe and I have another project on the go at the moment

[HeatonLodge40]

Really great techniques here especially with the wet weathering powder

[SouthernBlue80s]

This is a good way to approach mineral type wagons. I have placed the products used next to each stage.

 

Stage One - Railmatch frame dirt onto the buffer beams and the lower part of the wagon, keeping the white details showing for the time being.

 

 

Stage Two  - select panels with Humbroll 113 - or anything similar. Allow to dry.

 

 

 

Stage Three - Cover whole upper part of the wagon with Typhus Corrosion. Allow to dry.

 

 

 

Stage Four - Cover whole upper part of the wagon with Acrylic Burnt umber. Allow to dry.

 

 

 

Stage Five - Remove what you want, to greater or lesser degree with thinners

 

 

 

This is half finished but has been done as an example of the types of effect you can achieve.

 

 

 

 

I will move on to the final stages a bit later and post them here to complete this.

But for the time being hopefuly it gives you some inspiration/ideas.

 

Also next up - will be a respray and weathering to improve Kernows SPAs

 

[sb67]

Certainly does provide inspiration Steve, thanks for posting. How did you get the bit of texture there seems to be?

Steve.

[SouthernBlue80s]

Hi Steve, the texture is in the typhus corrosion paint.

[blueeighties]

Very impressed By your weathering techniques on the hoppers. Wagon weathering is not one of my strong points, I'll give your methods a try!

[SouthernBlue80s]

Lee - I am away for a few days. when I come back I will try to finish it off - so all of the stages are listed in the one post above.

I have always liked the way you have detailed and weathered locos

 

One way I often approach it.

Is first pass get it 95% there. basically complete.

Then put it down for a few days/weeks

Second pass get it 99% there

Then put it down for a few days/weeks

Third pass perhaps do nothing or the final tweak

 

I think the front wagon in this picture gives an impression of what a finished wagon looks like

 

[forest2807]

I’d like to second what Lee has said: that looks fantastic. I have a very large number of 16 ton mineral wagons and the thought of weathering them is daunting, but your technique is inspiring me to get started!

[Fat Controller]

Took me back to looking at 16-tonners from the lineside at Sandy Bridge, Llanelli in the 1960s and early 1970s, and wondering how they held together, given the corrosion. Sometimes they didn't, which was a bonanza for the locals..

[Hal Nail]

How would you adapt this for non factory finishes? Would sealing the grey with varnish first be sufficient?

[SouthernBlue80s]

How would you adapt this for non factory finishes? Would sealing the grey with varnish first be sufficient?

 

The only way to be 100% is to test it out on an old bit of stock

However, yes it should be. I have never had any problems.

 

The class 73 here. Is a non factory finish that was varnished and then weathered by me. I had no problems with it.

 

Edited January 12, 2019 by SouthernBlue80s

[SouthernBlue80s]

Mineral wagon largely finished. The Second pass. After the stages outlined above, weathering powders have gone on. There are still a few bits I am not happy with, but largely done

 

 

 

 

[sb67]

That hopper looks fantastic Steve, I def want to get some unfitted minerals to weather. Would you use the same methods weathering fitted wagons in bauxite?

Steve.

 

[SouthernBlue80s]

23 minutes ago, sb67 said:

That hopper looks fantastic Steve, I def want to get some unfitted minerals to weather. Would you use the same methods weathering fitted wagons in bauxite?

Steve.

 

 

Yes I would use the same approach Steve, especially to keep consistency in a mixed rake

But just to confuse matters I some times take this approach on ´darker ´ wagons. This happens to be railfreight red.

where I use railmatch frame dirt and weathering powders and then paint the rust on, usually in two tones, afterwards.

 

Some pics here Steve.....as food for thought - work in progress but not far finished

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2019 by SouthernBlue80s

[sb67]

Thanks Steve, they are looking good. Do you varnish the wagons before putting the powders on or do you find the weathering paints give enough of a "key" for the powders?

Steve.

[SouthernBlue80s]

Surprisingly -

I find that painting it on gives it enough of a key.

what I do these days is to add a touch of burnt umber acrylic in with the powder and I find that really helps.

I often go back over the wagon with very faint powders afterwards to just take the edge of everything and blend things in.

 

Take a picture or two and sit back. On this wagon for instance is the underframe too rusty looking, perhaps? So I look at some reference pictures as see if it needs changing.

 

Cheers

Steve

 

[Fat Controller]

Lovely work; the only thing I would say is that perhaps there ought to be some traces of grease on the springs and secondary suspension.

[SouthernBlue80s]

9 hours ago, Fat Controller said:

Lovely work; the only thing I would say is that perhaps there ought to be some traces of grease on the springs and secondary suspension.

 

Thanks. positive comments keeps one going. Totally agree, I also think it looks too rusty. So it is back on the bench.

Sometimes I am so focused on getting the top of the wagon right, often at the expense of the bottom. The same is with that 21t hopper I have just worked on. So they are both being reworked.

Edited February 25, 2019 by SouthernBlue80s

[SouthernBlue80s]

 

OCA next stage with rust knocked back and dried oil applied