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Great Southern Railway (Fictitious) - Mr. Adams' Finest and a Family Saloon?

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That's helpful, thank you! Ah well, anyone want a Slaters MR brake van kit? :P

 

The D299 is now lettered up and drying out, awaiting a coat of matt varnish and a load of some sort. The number plates have been removed from their incorrect position on the solebar and replaced with the transfer in what is hopefully the right place. 

 

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I've also started repainting my Oxford Adams Radial. Bought for only £40 at an exhibition, it runs ok. I'm choosing to keep the chimney as is, given Drummond's dislike of stovepipe chimneys, though have yet to decide which member of the class she shall become. Either way, I never did like Adams pea green on these locomotives, so... 

 

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Much better! As a start, at least... 

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Hurrah! At long last, things are happening with the laser cutter. Tomorrow morning work will start on installing a fume extraction chimney, which will hopefully allow me and others to use the cutter at more reasonable hours of the day. 

 

The new blower arrived yesterday so I had to test that it will be strong enough. Video to be seen here:

 

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Also, having built and painted Killian"s lovely Jenny Lind, I realised that there's a distinct lack of suitable coaching stock. 

 

For a quick evening project, this hasn't turned out too shabby - it's based on a pre-Craven type 2A and while it's not hugely accurate I think it gives the feel. Now, if I can figure out how to do footboards and steps... 

 

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It would look even better in 7mm. (Hint, hint)

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On 01/07/2019 at 11:02, Skinnylinny said:

I'm having to adjust to a new piece of slicing firmware (called ChiTuBox) in order to use the latest version of the printer firmware, and it seems to handle supports a little differently, so I'm having to re-learn that aspect. I'm getting there.

 

You only need to use ChiTuBox if you want to use the anti-aliasing feature. The original Photon Slicer will still work even with the new firmware, it just will not enable anti-aliasing. Another option is to add the supports in the Photon Slicer, save the resulting file as a stl file then import into ChiTuBox for final slicing with AA.

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Marvellous coach there, Linny!

 

I usually use plastic or brass angle for the footboards, to give the board a bit of rigidity. The problem being that most angled materials have both sides the same width, which rather spoils the illusion. But at least in plastic, it is possible to trim most of the backboard off while keeping just enough to stop the running board flexing.  Here's an early attempt where I didn't cut quite enough off the backboard side, but at least it shows the basic idea:

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On this example I used staples for the (cosmetic) running board brackets - the running board was actually glued onto the axle boxes.  1339714109_Bachmanncoachrunningboards02.jpg.26e0cbd1e26d72dffc7046ba060b2ec7.jpg

 

BTW somewhere on an old memory stick I should have a SketchUp file of some running boards and brackets I did later for the Bachmann coaches.

 

Brilliant news about the laser cutter! If I can add to @Northroader's comment, I reckon that coach would look pretty good in 3.5 mm as well.

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3 hours ago, MikeTrice said:

You only need to use ChiTuBox if you want to use the anti-aliasing feature. The original Photon Slicer will still work even with the new firmware, it just will not enable anti-aliasing. Another option is to add the supports in the Photon Slicer, save the resulting file as a stl file then import into ChiTuBox for final slicing with AA.

 

That's very useful to know, thank you! The ChiTuBox slicer seems better at not putting auto-generated supports through solid walls of the model, but I've yet to have anything printed using the ChiTuBox supports actually stick to the supports. I'll have another go with the Photon slicer soon.

 

3 hours ago, Ian Simpson said:

Marvellous coach there, Linny!

 

I usually use plastic or brass angle for the footboards, to give the board a bit of rigidity. The problem being that most angled materials have both sides the same width, which rather spoils the illusion. But at least in plastic, it is possible to trim most of the backboard off while keeping just enough to stop the running board flexing.  Here's an early attempt where I didn't cut quite enough off the backboard side, but at least it shows the basic idea:

 

On this example I used staples for the (cosmetic) running board brackets - the running board was actually glued onto the axle boxes. 

 

BTW somewhere on an old memory stick I should have a SketchUp file of some running boards and brackets I did later for the Bachmann coaches.

 

Brilliant news about the laser cutter! If I can add to @Northroader's comment, I reckon that coach would look pretty good in 3.5 mm as well.

 

Staples and plastic angle sounds like the way to go, thank you. I'd be interested in seeing those running boards if you happen across the file - I've got seven or so of those Prussia carriages kicking around. The main reason I drew this coach up is because the Prussia coaches are so small, even in 3.5mm scale, that they look ridiculous in 4mm (although that being said, they're not too far off for some of the other early London & Brighton Railway coaches...)

I think she's already looking much better with a coat of paint. From research I've been able to work out that the likely livery was lake, but other than that this is pure conjecture:

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Meanwhile, there's a bloke abseiling down the building fitting a chimney for the laser cutter... There's still a bit of internal plumbing to be done, but it's looking promising...

 

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On 07/07/2019 at 15:50, Skinnylinny said:

That's helpful, thank you! Ah well, anyone want a Slaters MR brake van kit? https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png

 

I made an Isle of Wight Central Railway brake van from the Slater's MR kit. Made easier by the fact that the real thing was originally a Midland van! (Subsequently rebuild into double veranda form by the SR, which was how I modelled it)

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2 hours ago, Nick C said:

 

I made an Isle of Wight Central Railway brake van from the Slater's MR kit. Made easier by the fact that the real thing was originally a Midland van! (Subsequently rebuild into double veranda form by the SR, which was how I modelled it)

 

Also the Wemyss Private Railway. There seems to have been a bit of a second-hand trade in Midland rolling stock in the first decade or so of the last century.

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Thanks, Michael! I think they look even better painted and with roofs fitted! 

 

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Work has started on the purple - brown lining on the Adams Radial too - enamel paint is making this necessarily slow going. 

 

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Great developments and stunning work, Linny. 

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Hello Linny

The coaches look great. When can I get some?

The 'Radial' looks good too and the brown is exactly right for Adams livery.

I also did my kit built one in the same livery, and with the black & white lining

it should really look the part. Mine does

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Hi Michael,

I'll see about making them available when the laser cutter becomes available at more reasonable times - I had to stay until nearly midnight just to cut three of those, because at the moment the cutter can only be used after 8pm due to fume extraction issues. The chimney (once fully plumbed into the cutter) should mean I can get on to cutting during the day, but I don't have control over when that will be finished I'm afraid. I'm hopeful it'll be in the next few weeks.


I'm glad you like the Radial - the paints are the Phoenix Precision Drummond Royal Green and Drummond Purple-Brown and they look pretty good to my eye too. Note though that I'm going for Drummond livery, not the earlier, paler Adams pea green (as seen on number 488 in most of her post-preservation photos). I'm still pondering how to do the lining, and I think custom transfers are going to be the way to go.

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26 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

 

The 'Radial' looks good too and the brown is exactly right for Adams livery.

I also did my kit built one in the same livery, and with the black & white lining

it should really look the part. Mine does

Michael

 

Drummond, not Adam

 

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Linny, I like the Precision Paints colours; they match the Hamilton Ellis paintings well.  You are doing a fine job.  Have you found suitable lining transfers?

 

The Hornby M7 NRM edition looks less convincing to me, but the old Dapol/Hornby OO Terrier and the Dapol O Gauge Terrier seem to have a better shade.  

 

EDIT: Linny, our posts crossed. I have repainting a Hornby Radial to Drummond livery on my bucket list, so if a bespoke set of transfers needs to be commissioned, I'll happily go halves, even if I don't use them for some time!

 

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Just time for a quick comparison photo before I run out of the front door:

 

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Drummond to the left, Adams to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle with you...

[Edit: Looks like we've crossed posts again James. I'd happily go halfs on the cost of some transfers - I'll look into that and get back to you. I'm aware you'll still need some coaches to go with your Radial, too ;)]

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13 hours ago, Skinnylinny said:

Thanks, Michael! I think they look even better painted and with roofs fitted! 

 

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Work has started on the purple - brown lining on the Adams Radial too - enamel paint is making this necessarily slow going. 

 

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Those coaches are excellent Linny and they really do look the part.  I'm sure once the extractor fan setup is completed and the laser cutter can be used more often those coaches are going to be very popular indeed.

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27 minutes ago, Skinnylinny said:

Just time for a quick comparison photo before I run out of the front door:

 

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Drummond to the left, Adams to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle with you...

[Edit: Looks like we've crossed posts again James. I'd happily go halfs on the cost of some transfers - I'll look into that and get back to you. I'm aware you'll still need some coaches to go with your Radial, too https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_wink.png]

 

I think the right hand model should represent Urie green (logically a Drummond loco cannot be in Adams green, though in preservation all things are possible!).  How well it does I cannot say as it's a bit modern for me.  I have read that Urie's green was "sage", which this could be, as it's a yellowy green.  The Adams is sometimes described as "pea" and perhaps is bluer?

 

Hornby's M7 Drummond livery is not bad (I am the happy owner of one), but I think your Radial and my T1 wear a better interpretation of the green. 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Edwardian said:

I think the right hand model should represent Urie green (logically a Drummond loco cannot be in Adams green, though in preservation all things are possible!).  How well it does I cannot say as it's a bit modern for me.  I have read that Urie's green was "sage", which this could be, as it's a yellowh y green.  The Adams is sometimes described as "pea" and perhaps is bluer?

Right you are! In which case, the Urie livery is too modern for my period - 1910 is my official cut-off date, while Urie didn't become CME until 1912. Ah well, I'll have to find the box and stick the loco on eBay or similar.

Besides, given that the NRM painted a superheated T9 in Urie livery, as you say, in preservation anything is possible!

I'll have to compare my Hornby M7 with my repainted Radial when I get a chance. I really must get back onto the unsuperheated T9 project soon too. That'll add another Drummond-liveried loco to my collection - I think I'll go for no.281 as it kept the 6-wheeled tender the longest and didn't have cross-water tubes so could cover my entire time period.

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A little more painting of the Adams Radial got done this evening, and I took the opportunity to pose it with the Hornby M7. I see what you mean about the very different colours, James. I believe the Hornby model is intended to represent number 245 as she is in the NRM at present, rather than necessarily being a historically accurate colour. The purple brown on the other hand, looks an almost exact match! 

 

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I also finished off a project which had been sitting in the bottom of a drawer for months - a repaint of a 700 into 1922 condition. I had originally thought this loco could be easily backdated but the amount of violence that has to be done to it to lower the boiler is more than I would be comfortable with. I therefore repainted as no. 316, the first to receive superheating, and this model will appear on eBay in the near future. 

 

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So I've just finished doing some maintenance on the Photon printer. I'd been getting nothing but failed prints, and it turned out I'd carelessly spilled some resin while removing a print, and that resin had got between the glass screen and the clear film at the bottom of the resin vat. This has then cured and stuck to the vat, and stopped the ultraviolet light being transmitted properly.

I must say, going at a glass screen with a knife blade is mildly terrifying, but it's apparently the recommended procedure to remove cured resin from the glass. I'm now doing a short test print (enough buffers from Killian's Jenny Lind to fit out my pre-Craven carriages) but hopefully this should solve some of my woes.

Tonight's a club night, so more painting of the Radial should happen. I may end up working on some custom transfer designs soon, or asking for advice if anyone's prepared to help out?

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Good luck, I hope you managed to get all of it off! 

 

I had a similar problem, except it was a PDMS vat (silicon-type gel above an acrylic base), and there was nothing I could do. I removed the gel and it's now a good container for holding bits and pieces. Now I've the same vat style as you, and I'm looking forward to getting it up and running when I finally get a spare hour.

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Well, it's been nearly two weeks since I posted in this thread, so I figured I ought to give an update.

A small amount of modelling has happened recently, but I've been rather busy alternately looking for work and fighting the black dog. The Adams Radial has boiler bands lined now, and I'm pondering the best way of producing lining transfers. At the moment, it looks like I'm going to try drawing them up and ordering them from a professional (any recommendations of good companies from whom to order gratefully received) as I can't print white from any printer I have access to, and I don't want to have to colour match the existing paintwork in a transfer.

 

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Another project that had stalled for a long while was the 5" gauge J71 - this has been partly painted but still needs some quite serious structural work to the far side of the cab and tank before painting can go any further, for which I intend to take it to the Hacklab, there to seek advice from more experienced metalworkers. Being rather larger than my usual models (photo below shows it with a 4mm scale R1 0-6-0t - the J71 weighs over 20kg), I can't, unfortunately, wrap it in tissue paper and pop it in a box in my rucksack, so a friend with a car is coming over to help me transport it.

 

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Back to 4mm scale, I've dug out some old MR wagon kits I built a while back, and these have now been lettered, giving me possibly rather more Midland wagons than I need, but can one really have too many wagons?

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In less modelling-related, happier news: The laser cutter is finally plumbed in to its new chimney, so hopefully I'll be able to start lasering shortly. I have a job interview on Thursday morning. Not quite the job I had in mind, but it may be good for my mental health to take a break from engineering for a bit. We'll see. I'm also heading down to Newcastle this weekend for the Railex NE exhibition, which should be interesting. Plenty of layouts I've never seen before, and hopefully some good traders.

Finally, it's my birthday today! Another orbit around the Sun, and I'm now 28. It's a beautiful day (read: far too hot for Scotland, and what's that glowing thing in the sky?).

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All coming along well, Linny.

 

The Radial is going well. There is someone, IIRC, Ian McCormac of this parish said could do bespoke transfers in white.  I need such an one for WNR wagon transfers. 

 

Hope to see you on Saturday.  Anyone else coming to RailEx NE?

 

Let us vanquish black dogs together for a day!

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hi Linny

Happy Birthday for a start! I hope you have a good day.

Sorry to say no to the transfers. I did put some around the edge of the Marsh set printed in Tasmania but have just about finished the designs for the next lot and no space left!

Try Railtec for one offs.

I am still fiddling about with 3D designs and getting parts ready for Craven Goods and A.N.Other and some more carriages etc. More soon'ish.

Cheers

Ian

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