40 058 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Hi, thought I’d post up a new thread for my new layout in progress. I’ve been a member on here for a while, though I don’t post much! Some of you might remember my old layout which was built in a shed and based on the Woodhead route, using scratchbuilt catenary and Heljan class 76’s? Well sadly that layout is now long gone. Last year I found the shed it was built in was actually quite terminally rotten and was beyond help so the layout was dismantled and the shed pulled down. So far this year I’ve built a new shed, this one having some ‘improvements’ over the old one and now I’m at the stage of actually building the new layout. At long last! So, a little about the shed itself. It’s a 16’ x 8’ garden building really rather than a shed but it’s built from 3’’ x 2’’ framework, the floor is 3’’ x 2’’ joists with 25mm planed planks for floor boards. All the walls are the same 25mm planed boarding but with special tongue and groove edges to stop water ingress. The roof is again, 3’’ x 2’’ framework and 25mm planed planks. One major floor of the old shed was the weak roof which sagged, this time it will never sag! Though it is incredibly heavy which was a bit of a pig when trying to lift it into place! Another floor to the old was the very poor damp proof abilities around its bottom edge. Rain would literally bounce up off the concrete base and get in under the bottom outer planks and framework, which is why it ended up rotting after 15 years. This time I’ve lifted the entire shed up off the ground on top of some brick pillars concreted down to the old (sound) base. On top of all of these brick pillars I’ve attached 3’’ x 2’’ bearers which the sheds floor joists sit on top of. There’s also a big overlap on the bottom side planks so any water drips off and can’t get up to the flooring. All the wood used to construct this shed is heavy duty pressure treated timber. Inside, all the walls and roof have been insulated with home insulation boards then panelled in with 5mm ply before being given a whitewash in white emulsion to brighten it up and look nicer than the bare wood. I’ve also installed a fresh air vent at each end of the shed to prevent any still air or condensation issues. Power and lighting is all installed and the layouts baseboards are all finished. Onto the layout then... I’ve done nothing revolutionary with the baseboards! It’s all standard 2’’ x 1’’ planed timber frames with 9mm ply on top. Legs/supports are thicker 2’’ x 2’’ or 3’’ x 2’’ timber for added support. Easy and strong, plus it’s all screwed to the sheds walls and floor too so it’s not going anywhere! Underneath I’ve used any spare wood to build storage shelves for locos and stock etc. The original plan was to have a change from modelling the Woodhead route and even BR blue era by going for Southern NSE era using some of the lovely new EMU models available. I even went as far as building up a small fleet of EMU’s and class 33’s (and an NSE Hornby 50!). However, things change! I’ve since been watching some old footage on YouTube from Miles Platting and around the Manchester area taken in the late 80’s early 90’s which actually took me back to when I was much younger and used to go out spotting with my uncle in the North of the country. That was decision made for me! There is a lot going for it interest wise, with class 31’s (my favourite!), 37’s, 47’, 56’s etc etc all possible and lots of freight traffic. Passenger services using a mix of older 1st gen units and the new 2nd gen stuff in their new bright liveries and traditional loco hauled Regional Railways and Intercity services. I’ve gone for loosely basing this in 1990 give or take a couple of years either side so I can run the older BR blue liveried stock alongside the Railfreight and sectorisation liveries just as I remember seeing it. Unfortunately this has left me with a now surplus collection of southern region stock! Oh well! To bring things up to date then, shed - done. Baseboards - done. Tracklaying - I’ve literally just finished this. I’d sketched out a few ideas, made a list of what I wanted and what I’d like if possible but in my opinion you can’t beat a bare baseboard then get some track out and start positioning things to see what works. Firstly, the track. Again, nothing revolutionary! I was in the position where I had a very large quantity of ‘as new’ Peco code 100 points and flexi track so, despite better stuff being available, it made sense to stick with code 100 and save some cash. Though I still had to buy a few more new points in the end. My basic plan is a two track mainline through the entire scenic section with a single track branch diverging at one end, a half relief station at the other end. A small diesel fuel point accessed from the branch junction (roughly in the middle of the scenic section) and a large radius curve round to a tunnel/bridge at the opposite end to the station. On this curve is a loop with a headshunt and access to a two siding industrial site, one siding will be inside a large warehouse style structure. This should allow a bit of shunting by letting a short freight train into the loop which can then reverse to drop/pickup wagons in the warehouse or siding alongside. Unusually for me, I actually got this design and track layed very quickly! It usually takes me ages to come up with something I like but not this time. It just kind of worked! So I’m now at the point of track down, basic power (DC) on and able to run the whole layout bar a few sidings that need extra feeds. It’s very basic at the moment but it means I can see how things work or don’t and get stuff running which is always good fun. Now you’ve read the boring bit here’s a few pics! This is an overall view inside the shed at the layout. Storage loops on the non scenic side. Now with a few trains! 56 hauled MGR train. 47 with some mk2’s. 31 on the fuel road. 31413 on a parcels train. Lots still to do but it’s finally getting there! 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Very useful description of shed refurb. I am thinking of doing similar. Looking forward to reading your progress; will follow with interest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 very nice and great era to model mate the 31s look ace . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 very nice and great era to model mate the 31s look ace .Those two are the tip of the iceberg as far as 31’s go! I’ve got lots! I’ve also still got all my BR blue and green stock from the old layout so I can backdate this layout should I fancy. Here’s another shot of 413. It’s a Hornby model, detailed, resprayed and weathered by Ben’s resprays off this forum. Very good job he did too! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Those two are the tip of the iceberg as far as 31’s go! I’ve got lots! I’ve also still got all my BR blue and green stock from the old layout so I can backdate this layout should I fancy. Here’s another shot of 413. It’s a Hornby model, detailed, resprayed and weathered by Ben’s resprays off this forum. Very good job he did too! F6CB94AA-2963-4308-85EC-B27FDB045604.jpeg very nice model and a good job he did to i have some locos with him at the moment i like the parcels stock its hauling . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 For anyone interested here’s one of the vids I was watching on YouTube that provided a bit of inspiration for this! At 05:04 is 31413 on a parcels train! Though mines a tad shorter. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Here’s a few extra pics of the shed itself, for anyone thinking of attempting similar. I think the hardest bit was getting the floor level. The concrete base is very old and was a hard standing for cars many years ago. The next base along to this actually had an old inspection pit in it. It’s extremely thick concrete but wasn’t exactly the most level so I had to even everything up varying the height of the brick pillars the shed sits on. This was a bit of a pain really and could have been avoided if whoever built the base bothered to level it out. I screwed up with the electrics a bit though too, when fitting the consumer unit I had to knock the knockouts through to feed the various wires into it. They wouldn’t knock out so I decided to drill them out instead. Worked a treat until I pushed too hard on the drill and the drill bit went straight through and into the bottom of one of the mcb’s completely destroying it! The lights are twin bulb LED jobbies, one 5’ and two 2’ lights. I was a bit sceptical about them at first as I like the old yellow glow of proper bulbs but these things are much brighter and eat virtually no power too. They came from eBay, as did the brown miniflow guttering and fittings. Longer term I’d like to replace the felt roofing (all bonded down and together on the top surfaces - no nails to potentially leak) with roof shingles. The felts fine for a few years at least though. I’ve also layed a layer of underfelt over the roof first, then the gritted felt, just to be sure. Edited September 16, 2018 by 40 058 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 I really enjoyed your Woodhead layout so looking forward to progress on this Like you say The miles platting area has a lot of potential Brian Thanks Brian! It’s a shame the old shed rotted really, the layout itself was fine, although I’m fairly certain it was actually the baseboards and frames that were adding a lot of strength to the remains of the shed. When I stripped all that out the shed became very flimsy! I reckon another winters worth of windy weather would have seen it off. I’ll try to post more often with this one too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) Today I’ve been digging out more locos etc and test running the layout. Everything seems to be working fine track-wise, just needs a few slight alignment changes in a few places to smooth out a few bits. Im not 100% decided on control yet. I’d thought about going DCC, however I’ve got lots of locos and chipping them all will be very expensive! So I might just stick to old fashioned DC? I’m also undecided about wether or not to use cork under the track. The only real advantage to it is getting a slightly raised track bed as apposed to sound deadening. I’ve never bothered with it before now but if I’m going to do this I need to decide now. The next job will be to drill holes under all the points for the point motors now I’m pretty much settled on the track plan, then the lovely task of ballasting! Here’s a few pics from today’s running. Storage area starting to get busy! 31544 ‘Keighley and Worth valley railway’ on an engineers train. I have also found a few of my locos have suffered a bit from years in storage. I think the factory grease in a few of them has dried out resulting in some rough running and squealing so I’ll have to open them up and give them a clean and a drop or two of oil. It’s only Hornby locos that seem to have done this. So far anyway. Here’s a few of the worst offenders! Edited September 22, 2018 by 40 058 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 like the skinhead toffee apple mate are they kernow wagons behind it ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Some good 31s you have, cool layout. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 like the skinhead toffee apple mate are they kernow wagons behind it ? 544 started life as a Hornby Railfreight red stripe skinhead, 31105. It’s another of Bens Resprays conversions. Weathered blue, orange cantrail stripe and (isolated in reality!) eth equiptment. The wagons are indeed Kernow turbot’s! Very nice wagons they are too. Followed by Bachmann and Hornby seacows and a shark. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 544 started life as a Hornby Railfreight red stripe skinhead, 31105. It’s another of Bens Resprays conversions. Weathered blue, orange cantrail stripe and (isolated in reality!) eth equiptment. The wagons are indeed Kernow turbot’s! Very nice wagons they are too. Followed by Bachmann and Hornby seacows and a shark. i have been so tempted by them to go with my Heljan dogfish . and cant wait to see the rest of you collection . Keep posting your superb photos mate and good luck with the fix on the Hornby locos my 31 has a squeak to . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d winpenny Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Great looking layout it's what I'm looking to do but I don't have the advantage of 16ft shed David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Im now following this nice layout your building,, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Pictorial update for today. Very little actually done on the layout other than running stuff and digging things out of boxes from storage. Everything is about sorted in that respect now so I should be able to start putting point motors etc in soon, followed by a spot of ballasting. For now here’s some of today’s spots from the lineside! 47475 on one of my trans-pennine services. Another passenger service using a spare freight sector 31. RFD 47 on a train of TEA tanks... ...which passes by a short speedlink hauled by 31105. Steel train with two 37’s. Mainline liveried 31407 passes on a scrap train. Finally, because everyone loves a Pacer or two! The two Pacers are elderly Hornby models, both still using their original twin motors. They both have however had the two cars wired together and had new pickup contacts installed. Both run absolutely brilliant, though they are noisy compared to more recent models! The GMPTE orange one has seen some serious use too. It’s very worn despite still running well and it’s old pickup contacts had almost completely worn through. The only thing it does still need is one of the non motored wheel sets/bogie units changing as the wheel set is very loose and the axle has worn the plastic bogie away! I’ve got the new part though and just need to swap it over. I believe this model also had a life on an exhibition layout at some stage before I bought it if it’s previous owner is anything to go by. That’d certainly explain the wear and tear on it! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Also got the door to the shed a proper handle and lock. Because I’m cheap I kept this from the old shed. It works a treat still and saves me buying things like this instead of new trains to play with! Problem was, it’s designed for much thinner doors than this shed has so the spindle for handles was much too short... Easily fixed by welding two short spindles together then grinding it smooth and flat. The same issue meant the key was also too short to reach through the door to the lock so that got cut in half and an extra inch added from an old nail! Welded together, ground down and a tack used to put the keys handle back on one end. Job jobbed for the cost of a nail and some welding wire! All this was fine but when the door closed there wasn’t enough reach on the latch or lock to latch behind the door frame! A quick scrounge through the other shed I’ve got as a workshop turned up a length of old angle iron recovered from a demolished pre-fab garage roof. Chopped a lump off the end, drill some holes to bolt it to the door frame and it now all fits, works and has a sturdy latch that won’t be able to be forced open easily. Finished off with some old black hammerite. Never throw anything away! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Pictorial update for today. Very little actually done on the layout other than running stuff and digging things out of boxes from storage. Everything is about sorted in that respect now so I should be able to start putting point motors etc in soon, followed by a spot of ballasting. For now here’s some of today’s spots from the lineside! 47475 on one of my trans-pennine services. 2DCF66E4-C6BF-45BE-89B5-6598CE15558C.jpeg F6ABEAD0-8884-45C4-B52C-AF60B9ED94C9.jpeg Another passenger service using a spare freight sector 31. A5634330-0A74-4AEE-A5CA-239FA5ED6278.jpeg RFD 47 on a train of TEA tanks... 80C0DAAB-2614-4E6B-8ACA-EAD7A8713DA2.jpeg ...which passes by a short speedlink hauled by 31105. A7B6D445-7101-4950-81BB-DF7BD3AFB613.jpeg Steel train with two 37’s. 1C51791E-2177-49A5-B30E-BD9FAEB816FE.jpeg Mainline liveried 31407 passes on a scrap train. 3C1FB2AF-A9E6-4F12-AA99-2A2E7E151D9E.jpeg Finally, because everyone loves a Pacer or two! A556825E-39A3-43D6-AB66-ECEBDF65C7E0.jpeg F2DBFB96-8488-4763-AE12-827D964257F1.jpeg The two Pacers are elderly Hornby models, both still using their original twin motors. They both have however had the two cars wired together and had new pickup contacts installed. Both run absolutely brilliant, though they are noisy compared to more recent models! The GMPTE orange one has seen some serious use too. It’s very worn despite still running well and it’s old pickup contacts had almost completely worn through. The only thing it does still need is one of the non motored wheel sets/bogie units changing as the wheel set is very loose and the axle has worn the plastic bogie away! I’ve got the new part though and just need to swap it over. I believe this model also had a life on an exhibition layout at some stage before I bought it if it’s previous owner is anything to go by. That’d certainly explain the wear and tear on it! Good photos mate like the Thornaby tractor's on the steel train . is it 501 and 507?. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 ‘‘Tis indeed! I got the twin pack of 501 & 502, plus the extra 507 when they were first released. Put them in storage almost straight afterwards and only got them out again a couple of days ago! Most of my locos actually need running in. They’ve mostly been bought new and never used. Some of the mk1’s I’ve got I’ve had since the new Bachmann ones first came out and they’ve never been out of their boxes, still having the little foam protectors and taped up inner trays. I’ve also now found all my Southern Region stock. Not sure what to do with it all now as it certainly doesn’t fit in with my new north western theme... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Boco_D1 Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2018 This layout is looking promising and just the use of your stock already gives that 1990s north western feel straight away, I’m looking forward to future posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) While waiting around for a delivery of some more relevant rolling stock today I was having a look on eBay, as one does, and nearly fell over when I noticed how much Bachmann class 45’s with late flushed over front ends are going for now! Are people actually paying these three figure sums for these!? It occurred to me, that I might have one of those myself somewhere... Ok, so I might be pushing it a bit timeframe wise as the peaks had about gone by 1988-ish? But I did say 1990 give or take a couple of years either way didn’t I! I’d forgotten about having this 45 until today! I reckon it’ll become a prime candidate for a spot of renumbering, high intensity headlights and some ETH sockets into a 45/1 then it can join the ranks of 31’s and 47’s for the mk2’s as a late peak operated service. In other news my southern region stock that I’ve still got left consists of 3x Heljan class 33’s - 33004 late BR blue, 33116 engineers grey, 33008 ‘Eastleigh’ in green. 1x Hornby 4 VEP set in NSE. 1 Bachmann 4 CEP set in blue and grey. I think I’m going to keep ‘Eastleigh’, it’s a lovely looking loco and my excuse is for it to run now and again on a special of some sort. The rest however I can’t really justify so I might put them on eBay in the next few days or so. Unless anyone here fancies them first in which case send me a PM! Here’s a quick pic of 008 just to finish today’s update! Edited October 10, 2018 by 40 058 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Double post! Edited October 10, 2018 by 40 058 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 I’ve made a few slight changes on this! Everything worked fine but something just wasn’t looking quite ‘right’ to me. The fuel point sidings looked a bit of an afterthought in my opinion, and the layout generally just didn’t look ‘busy’ enough. There’s no way I can fit something like Miles Platting or Manchester Victoria into even a space like the one available to me but what I do have needs to look like more than what I had - more tacks required! So I’ve added a loop in from the hidden storage area, which adds one more track through the station. This then joins up to the branch at the other end of the layout. A new fuel point is next to this and accessed from it via a headshunt. I’ve also removed one of the three sidings but made the remaining two slightly longer. I think this looks much better, it looks like the sort of tackwork you might see in an urban/suburban run up to a large city or town, at least better than it did before? I think I’m more happy with it now! 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 It looks nice. But in track design I always think “ why would the real world design it like that ?” Because track costs money as does space. Therefore I’m wondering why your fuel point would be accessed off a headshunt, esp as it could be accessed off a trailing rather than facing point off the up line , which was generally the preference . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 It looks nice. But in track design I always think “ why would the real world design it like that ?” Because track costs money as does space. Therefore I’m wondering why your fuel point would be accessed off a headshunt, esp as it could be accessed off a trailing rather than facing point off the up line , which was generally the preference . Good point! So your suggesting remove the two points into the fuel point/headshunt and instead replace it with one point straight into the two fuel point sidings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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