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8 hours ago, jessy1692 said:

'It gets worse' love it haha!

I suppose you best get on with the pullmans, them electrics need something trundle about with. Cant beat having a good selection of projects on the go, although i try keep it to just a couple now, life gets in the way too much to churn things out like i used to.

Hi James,

 

For the Pullmans I have got some car spray paints by looking up RAL numbers for paint codes, I am happy with the blue but the grey seems too pale. I know a paint sprayer near by who has a RAL colour chart, hope fully then I can get the correct shade and get some ordered.

 

Gibbo.

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8 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said:

Hi James,

 

For the Pullmans I have got some car spray paints by looking up RAL numbers for paint codes, I am happy with the blue but the grey seems too pale. I know a paint sprayer near by who has a RAL colour chart, hope fully then I can get the correct shade and get some ordered.

 

Gibbo.

When i need a new can of blue/grey im thinking ill be getting some mixed up, will be interested to see your results.

I have a note to try 7035,7038, 7047 & 9002 for rail grey and see which is closest.

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5 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

With all this rolling stock your layout must be massive, can we have some photos please?!!

 

Mike.

Hi Mike,

 

Bad news in this department.

 

Thanks to two particularly selfish women my house is now not much larger than my layout used to be. My last layout was donated to Liverpool MRC about three years ago, it was either that or the tip because I had nowhere to put it.

 

Here is is/was below:

 

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The track plan was a running line past a small shed and was 18' 6" between the tunnel and the bridge with 20 loops around the back side. The operation was to run class 5 and lower locomotives on and off shed to pick up trains in the loops with the larger locomotives passing by on the running lines with expresses and through goods trains. It was originally built about 15 years ago to look like mid 1950's to 1960's to run all of my steam locomotives however since getting back into toy trains a couple of years ago I decided that 1973 would be a good year to set my next layout. I chose 1973 because that is when I got my first Ian Allen Combined Volume.

 

Here is the good news.

 

I've still got all four of my motorbikes, better yet I have retained my dignity despite the better efforts of both of my ex's.

 

Gibbo.

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6 hours ago, jessy1692 said:

When i need a new can of blue/grey im thinking ill be getting some mixed up, will be interested to see your results.

I have a note to try 7035,7038, 7047 & 9002 for rail grey and see which is closest.

Hi James,

 

I have RAL 5020 for BR Blue and is very close however I ordered  RAL 9002 for grey and it is a mile out.

 

My spray painting friend lent out his paint chart and never got it back so I might take a chance on 7035 but it's another £13 if its wrong and so I might see if I can find someone with a chart.

 

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Two strips of plasticard alternately painted with RAL 5020 and RAL 9002 with Railmatch enamel brushed onto one end. The blues look different as the spray is gloss and the Railmatch is satin which alters given the reflection. The Railmatch Rail Grey is both darker and has a brown tint to it.

 

Gibbo.

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25 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said:

Two strips of plasticard alternately painted with RAL 5020 and RAL 9002 with Railmatch enamel brushed onto one end. The blues look different as the spray is gloss and the Railmatch is satin which alters given the reflection. The Railmatch Rail Grey is both darker and has a brown tint to it.

 

Can I suggest (at the risk of stating the obvious).... don't get too hung up on getting exact matches?

Paint fades, unless all your stock was painted at the same time, the blues and greys will vary slightly, plus varied levels of weathering will more than compensate for slight changes in tone.  Plus you are comparing your models with colour images from contemporary books and magazines, the colour printing used in these may not really reflect reality either (and current magazines have ridiculously strong, saturated colours IMO).  Then you're using your models indoors, illuminated by indoor bulbs, which do not generally have the same colour balance as natural light, so they won't look the same as outside anyway.....

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Just now, Northmoor said:

Can I suggest (at the risk of stating the obvious).... don't get too hung up on getting exact matches?

Paint fades, unless all your stock was painted at the same time, the blues and greys will vary slightly, plus varied levels of weathering will more than compensate for slight changes in tone.  Plus you are comparing your models with colour images from contemporary books and magazines, the colour printing used in these may not really reflect reality either (and current magazines have ridiculously strong, saturated colours IMO).  Then you're using your models indoors, illuminated by indoor bulbs, which do not generally have the same colour balance as natural light, so they won't look the same as outside anyway.....

Hi Northmoor,

 

You are quite correct regarding attaining an absolutely exact match, the RAL 5020 for blue is as near as makes no difference even when colour switch for natural and artificial lighting is taken into account. I have compared it to the blue paints used by Railmatch, Hornby, Replica, Bachmann and Lima, all of which are different yet the the RAL 5020 is well within a very close parameter of all of the above shades mentioned comparing most favourably.

 

The issue is with the grey, it really is considerably more pale than the shade required and so I shall have another look because it really is not at all suitable.

 

Gibbo.

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1 hour ago, Gibbo675 said:

Hi Mike,

 

Bad news in this department.

 

Thanks to two particularly selfish women my house is now not much larger than my layout used to be. My last layout was donated to Liverpool MRC about three years ago, it was either that or the tip because I had nowhere to put it.

 

Here is is/was below:

 

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P1010029.JPG.f6f4ae180d586b5772dda1867fe085fc.JPG

 

The track plan was a running line past a small shed and was 18' 6" between the tunnel and the bridge with 20 loops around the back side. The operation was to run class 5 and lower locomotives on and off shed to pick up trains in the loops with the larger locomotives passing by on the running lines with expresses and through goods trains. It was originally built about 15 years ago to look like mid 1950's to 1960's to run all of my steam locomotives however since getting back into toy trains a couple of years ago I decided that 1973 would be a good year to set my next layout. I chose 1973 because that is when I got my first Ian Allen Combined Volume.

 

Here is the good news.

 

I've still got all four of my motorbikes, better yet I have retained my dignity despite the better efforts of both of my ex's.

 

Gibbo.

That's a mighty sad tale, and also what looks like a very interesting layout.

 

Great that you've kept both dignity and motorbikes, and also above all your enthusiasm despite a massive setback.

 

John.

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9 hours ago, Gibbo675 said:

Hi James,

 

I have RAL 5020 for BR Blue and is very close however I ordered  RAL 9002 for grey and it is a mile out.

 

My spray painting friend lent out his paint chart and never got it back so I might take a chance on 7035 but it's another £13 if its wrong and so I might see if I can find someone with a chart.

 

454146484_DSCF11711.JPG.32a82283ed3e0a0514d4a04f186c075b.JPG

Two strips of plasticard alternately painted with RAL 5020 and RAL 9002 with Railmatch enamel brushed onto one end. The blues look different as the spray is gloss and the Railmatch is satin which alters given the reflection. The Railmatch Rail Grey is both darker and has a brown tint to it.

 

Gibbo.

Cheers Gibbo, the blue looks good to my eyes so will give that a go, my local place said they can do testers for about 7 quid *if i recall rightly* its an Auto Discount shop so perhaps theres one local to you? Will be interesting to see what you go for, wish i had a project on go that needs a rail grey paint but i have spray grey and blue to hand. I did chicken out and got a can of railmatch BR green at Frizinghall for the 48 rather than going down RAL trial and error.

Hope you get a new layout knocked up soon, will be quite the spectacle with the stock you are working on.

All the best 

James

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Wonder if this range is of any use?  They seem to do Rail blue and grey, as well as other basic, “steam age” railway colours:

https://mm1models.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=123
 

I have no experience of them nor do I readily recall reading about their use.  Says they are toluene, but not if that is suitable for use on plastic, or not.

 

Also says they are on sale at £7.95 each, but not how much they were before being on sale!

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Hi Folks,

 

Work on 25 317 has gone well, the grilles that were filled have been filed flat, sanded and the main body primed to show up any defects. A small amount of filler was applied into minor cracks and also blending in the cab roof dome to the head code box fairing. The body side windows have also been marked out cut in.

 

A job I was thinking would be difficult turned out to be quite easy was the triangular body side panel. To do this I made a plasticard template that I positioned correctly and then scribed around the inside of it with the end of a new scalpel blade leaving the outline of the panel.

 

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Scribed panel and template.

 

Things are still moving with the AC electrics in that 83 010 has been primed and its bogies painted black along with the underframe details fitted to some of the 81's and 85's. The primer has shewn that a little more sanding is required.

 

 I have started work on the class 86's firstly filling the roof mounted switch and opening out the underframe details to give them more relief. Once I have finished stripping the paint from the WCML Pullmans I shall be doing the same with the 86's.

 

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Two of eBay's finest, the one on the left has had its underframe details opened out.

 

Gibbo.

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Hi Folks,

 

Here are two photographs to confuse us all the more, the upper in diffuse sunlight, the lower in direct sunlight. To my eye the darkest and least green blue is that of the Lima 20 followed by the Hornby 86. The 25's are similarly shaded but the newly painted one is more blue where as the Mainline 45 has the most green of all of them.

 

My feeling is that 25 064 which is painted Railmatch BR blue is the most pleasing to my eye although yellow ends and transfers may well alter how 25 317 looks.

 

Any way I've ordered a RAL colour chart and at the cost of a can of paint it may well be worth it, so I shall see where that takes me !

 

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To Quote Marcus Aureleius:

"Tincta colore fit anima cogitationes."

 

Gibbo.

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