cbeagleowner Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 Thanks Al! Hopefully I'll make some more progress over this week then when I go back to work the rate will slow massively! I know that it would have been served by the Rowsley - Millers Dale pick up - whatever target that was I can't remember. I'm going to do some signalling research today before visiting a few kittens! I've found a very helpful site with I think all the LMS signal diagrams on it. https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/html/lmsdiagrams.htm I can then use the old Scottish Library maps which have the signal posts indicated to work out which are where. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.99&lat=53.2527&lon=-1.7607&layers=6&b=1 And of course, it's good to have a link to David Hey's E.R. Morten pics. As DH says - simply the best! http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page52.htm 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 Family has gone to Tesco...every little helps eh? re my signalling thoughts... Litton and Cressbrook would fall between the line controlled by Monsal Dale to the South, who's last signal was (in the 50's) a colour light between Cressbrook and Litton Tunnels. To the north the line was controlled by Millers Dale Lime sidings, located just to the South of the viaducts. I've copied out plans for both below. Monsal Dale Signal Box Millers Dale Lime Sidings Company Signal Box (Its proper name) I have tried to translate these onto the 1897 OS map though I do have a couple of questions. See the link below. If I were to try to signal Litton and Cressbrook, it's pretty much the same as pre-widening (PW) Millers Dale. I have also managed to find a signalling plan for that on a forum which I've drawn out. The job would put to add that into my map controlled from Litton and Cressbrook signal box. If anyone has any thoughts please do give me a shout. While doing this, I did begin to find myself thinking though what if I just used pre-widening Millers Dale as the layout and assumed it never got 4 tracked. It's not a terrible stretch of the imagination I suppose. It would also add the operational interest of having the Buxton shuttle and a lie-by too. and more interesting signalling. also there is a viaduct in pretty much the right place on the layout (though not a tunnel) I might try that out in the loft today / tomorrow. The other option I thought of would be trying to do an 'expanded' Monsal Dale station. The viaduct, (though too small for Headstone would be in the right place so I might have a fiddle with that idea too as I take my eldest to Chesterfield later! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the kind comments! I’ll post some pics of the current work when I get home from the in laws. ‘Chard: Dave ‘MadMcCann’ smith nearly got me to model the Waverley as I could have nice scenery and NE Pacifics etc which was very appealing. However though I live on the GN and mum introduced me to Raised me on thnow the pull of home was too strong. And Rule 1 means still have a selection of NE motive power too though I try to have stuff that has some tie to the midland. To that end I thought I’d post something about the current loco fleet. Ive got most of it, though Still some stuff that I need to wait for as it’s not produced as yet or as with the SLW 24 Iissedot. I’ve put this as NYP. Peak line stuff 1. Blue Pullman 2. Class 28 - late crest 3. Class 44 - late crest (NYP) 4. Class 24 - late crest (NYP) 5. 10001 LMS black 6. 10203 BR green grey roof 7. Derby Lightweight - early crest 8. Rebuilt Scot BR Green early - Green Howards - 20A 9. Unrebuilt Pat BR green early crest - Derbyshire Yeomanry - 45509 10. Rebuilt Patriot BR green late crest - Prestatyn - 45522 11. Britannia BR green late - Morning Star - 70021 12. Jubilee BR green early - drake needs changing to Madras 45575 - S4-R - 14B 13. Jubilee LMS black - LMS 1946 with BR number SFB - Canada 45553 - Fowler 9E (NYP) 14. Jubilee Experimental Green - 45604 SFB - Ceylon 20A S4-W (NYP) 15. Black 5 BR lined black early crest - 17A 16. Fairbairn tank lined black early crest 17. Ivatt 2MT late crest 19. Compound lined black late emblem 41157 20. Compound LMS crimson BR number on front 934 on cab in serif as per photo 21. Crab plain black BRITISH RAILWAYS (NYP) 22. Super D plain black early crest 24. 1F no cab BRITISH RAILWAYS (Rowsley shunter) 25. 1P 58072 lined black early emblem 26. 4F plain black late crest 27. 3F plain black - change to LMS serif with BR number in serif 28. 9F plain black late crest 29. WD plain black early crest 30. Robinson 04 plain black late crest (the one I have a pic of is an O4/8 but I have the original) 31. Jinty plain black late crest (kicking about at Rowsley) 32. Fowler tank BR late crest 33. 8F - 8510 Change to LMS on tender with BR number on cab as per photo. 34. Stanier Mogul riveted tender BRITISH RAILWAYS as per Hassop pic 35. Standard 4MT (4-6-0) - late crest lined black 36. B1 BR lined black early emblem Stuff that’s been on the Midland at some point - I only have the pig so far! 1. Flying Pig double chimney plain black plain black 43001 in BR Gill Sans with 1946 LMS on tender. Bletchley shedplate 2. Clan 72009 Clan Stewart - BR early emblem seen at Kettering 3. L1 67769 / 40E or 67729 & 37 from Stratford As used on coal train trials 4. O1 as per steaming through Northamptonshire 5. V2 lined black early emblem as per Kettering 6. Garratt with LMS block style BR number 7. Princess Margaret Rose - overhauled at Derby when changed from blue to green. 8. Rebuilt Scot ‘royal Iniskilling fusiliers’ LMS 1946 with BRITISH RAILWAYS On tender. 9. 10201 BR black - work on trial at Derby Stuff I like: 1. J50 BRITISH RAILWAYS black 2. A4 Sparrow Hawk BR Blue - did reach Millhouses but not until it was green 3. A3 BR Green early crest / 52B / Captain Cuttle (from Ladas) 5. B17 BR lined green early emblem - Hinchingbrooke - B17/2 until 1957 - it’s where my kids were born 6. K3 lined black - tender need changing from Early crest to BRITISH RAILWAYS - K3’s got to Chesterfield later on. 7. Coronation ‘city of Sheffield’ (NYP) Stuff I like but doesn’t exist (yet) 1. Caprotti class 5 low running plate 44757 early crest 2. W1 BRITISH RAILWAYS Garter Blue 3. A1/1 BR blue early crest - Great Northern / NT tender spoked wheels 4. A2/1 BRITISH RAILWAYS apple green - Duke of Rothesay - could be BR apple green or early emblem 5. A2/2 BR early crest lined green - Cock O' the North 6. A2/3 BR early crest lined green - Ocean Swell / 117 boiler / NT tender 7. A4 woodcock BRITISH RAILWAYS experimental purple 8. 2F 58125 LMS serif on tender & LMS tender 9. Caprotti standard 5 late crest 10. 2P 40520 LMS serif 17A 11. 10100 BR early black 12. 10800 BR early green unlined 13. Princess Margaret Rose 46203 in BR early crest green Great list - not sure about some of the locos mentioned but we do have a decent locomotive stud for our Club layout - Chapel en le Frith (Central) As marked on your list: Peak line stuff 1. Blue Pullman Available 2. Class 28 - late crest Available 3. Class 44 - late crest (NYP) Available 4. Class 24 - late crest (NYP) Available 5. 10001 LMS black - Available in lined BR Green 6. 10203 BR green grey roof 7. Derby Lightweight - early crest Available but not required 8. Rebuilt Scot BR Green early - Green Howards - 20A - Available but the ones we have include The Middlesex Ragimant and not Green Howards 9. Unrebuilt Pat BR green early crest - Derbyshire Yeomanry – 45509 Available 10. Rebuilt Patriot BR green late crest - Prestatyn – 45522 Available 11. Britannia BR green late - Morning Star – 70021 4 Available but not Morning Star…. 12. Jubilee BR green early - drake needs changing to Madras 45575 - S4-R - 14B Lots available one about to be named Madras 13. Jubilee LMS black - LMS 1946 with BR number SFB - Canada 45553 - Fowler 9E (NYP) 14. Jubilee Experimental Green - 45604 SFB - Ceylon 20A S4-W (NYP) 15. Black 5 BR lined black early crest - 17A Lots available 16. Fairbairn tank lined black early crest Available 17. Ivatt 2MT late crest Available 19. Compound lined black late emblem 41157 Two available but not with this number yet 20. Compound LMS crimson BR number on front 934 on cab in serif as per photo 21. Crab plain black BRITISH RAILWAYS (NYP) 4 Available but NONE with BRITISH RAILWAYS 22. Super D plain black early crest At least 2 available 24. 1F no cab BRITISH RAILWAYS (Rowsley shunter) not required 25. 1P 58072 lined black early emblem Available 26. 4F plain black late crest 6 Available 27. 3F plain black - change to LMS serif with BR number in serif 2 available 28. 9F plain black late crest At least 4 available 29. WD plain black early crest At least 2 available 30. Robinson 04 plain black late crest (the one I have a pic of is an O4/8 but I have the original) At least 2 available 31. Jinty plain black late crest (kicking about at Rowsley) not required 32. Fowler tank BR late crest Available 33. 8F - 8510 Change to LMS on tender with BR number on cab as per photo. Between 6 and 8 Available 34. Stanier Mogul riveted tender BRITISH RAILWAYS as per Hassop pic Available but NOT with BRITISH RAILWAYS 35. Standard 4MT (4-6-0) - late crest lined black At least 4 available 36. B1 BR lined black early emblem Available Stuff that’s been on the Midland at some point - I only have the pig so far! 1. Flying Pig double chimney plain black plain black 43001 in BR Gill Sans with 1946 LMS on tender. Bletchley shedplate 2. Clan 72009 Clan Stewart - BR early emblem seen at Kettering3. L1 67769 / 40E or 67729 & 37 from Stratford As used on coal train trials Available 4. O1 as per steaming through Northamptonshire 5. V2 lined black early emblem as per Kettering 6. Garratt with LMS block style BR number - are you sure on this one 7. Princess Margaret Rose - overhauled at Derby when changed from blue to green. Available 8. Rebuilt Scot ‘royal Iniskilling fusiliers’ LMS 1946 with BRITISH RAILWAYS On tender. 9. 10201 BR black - work on trial at Derby Stuff I like but doesn’t exist (yet) 1. Caprotti class 5 low running plate 44757 early crest Available ( we have 3 different Caprotti 5s) 2. W1 BRITISH RAILWAYS Garter Blue 3. A1/1 BR blue early crest - Great Northern / NT tender spoked wheels 4. A2/1 BRITISH RAILWAYS apple green - Duke of Rothesay - could be BR apple green or early emblem 5. A2/2 BR early crest lined green - Cock O' the North 6. A2/3 BR early crest lined green - Ocean Swell / 117 boiler / NT tender 7. A4 woodcock BRITISH RAILWAYS experimental purple 8. 2F 58125 LMS serif on tender & LMS tender 9. Caprotti standard 5 late crest Available 10. 2P 40520 LMS serif 17A 11. 10100 BR early black 12. 10800 BR early green unlined 13. Princess Margaret Rose 46203 in BR early crest green Available Some research shows some of the more common locos to be seen at Chapel... we are aiming to have these as kit built.modifed RTR as time permots. Jubilees Number Name Photo Date Shed Tender 45557 New Brunswick 1956 Kentish Town stanier 4000 rivet 45561 Saskatchewan 1959 Kentish Town stanier 4000 rivet 45563 Australia 1965 Warrington stanier 4000 rivet 45575 Madras 1960 stanier 4000 rivet 45579 Punjab 1963 Burton/Derby stanier 4000 rivet 45589 Gwalior 1957 Holbeck Fowler lo 45598 Basutoland 1964 45612 Jamaica 1958 Kentish Town stanier 4000 rivet 45614 Leeward Islands 1959 Kentish Town stanier 4000 rivet 45615 Malay Straits 1959 Kentish Town 45616 Malta GC 1959 Nottingham Fowler lo 45622 Nyasaland 1951 Trafford Park Stanier 3500 45636 Uganda 1959 Nottingham Stanier 3500 45652 Hawke 1954 Trafford Park Stanier 3500 45689 Ajax 1953 Trafford Park stanier 4000 rivet 45694 Bellerepheron 45705 Sea Horse 1965 Newton Heath stanier 4000 rivet 45712 Victory 1957 Trafford Park Fowler lo Britannias Number Name Photo Date Shed 70004 William Shakespeare 1958 Trafford Park 70014 Iron Duke 1957 Trafford Park 70015 Apollo 1960 Trafford Park 70017 Arrow Trafford Park 70021 Morning Star 1958 Trafford Park 70031 Byron Trafford Park 70032 Tennyson Trafford Park 70033 Charles Dickens Trafford Park 70042 Lord Roberts 1958 Trafford Park 70043 Lord Kitchener Trafford Park Royal Scots Number Name Photo Date Shed 46153 The Royal Dragoon 1959 Trafford Park 46129 Scottish Horse 1962 Longsight 46115 Scots Guardsman Longsight 46140 Kings Royal Rifle Corps Longsight 46142 The Yorkshire and Lancashire Regt 1959 Longsight 46149 The Middlesex Regiment Longsight 46100 Royal Scot 1959 46154 The Hussar 1959 Kentish Town 46122 Royal Ulster Rifleman 1959 Trafford Park 46110 Grenadier Guardsman 1958 14B Unrebuilt Scot Number Name Derbyshire Yeomanry Rebuilt Patriot Number Name Photo Date Shed 45522 Prestatyn 1959 Camden Stanier 8F Number Photo Date Shed Tender 48045 1956 Northwich Stanier 48119 Mansfield Stanier 48135 1962 Northwich Stanier 48268 1956 Buxton Stanier 48275 1955 Heaton Mersey Stanier 48421 1959 Buxton Stanier 48429 1958 Heaton Mersey Stanier 48441 Stanier 48585 1960 Speke Junction Stanier 48605 Fowler 48636 1962 Stanier 48717 1964 Northwich Stanier 48743 1951 Speke Junction Stanier Ivatt 4MT Mogul Number Photo Date Shed 43048 1965 Baz Edited December 31, 2018 by Barry O 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lecorbusier Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 While doing this, I did begin to find myself thinking though what if I just used pre-widening Millers Dale as the layout and assumed it never got 4 tracked. It's not a terrible stretch of the imagination I suppose. It would also add the operational interest of having the Buxton shuttle and a lie-by too. and more interesting signalling. also there is a viaduct in pretty much the right place on the layout (though not a tunnel) That could be a great idea ... it will give you the full gamut of what actually happened in terms of operation/layout coupled to the what if scenario moving forward to your chosen period. There is nothing to stop you bringing one of the tunnels into the scene as well? Happy new year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 Happy new year to you too Tim! Hope all is well with the family. Thanks Barry for all the info. We have similar book collections I think! It's inspired me to do a better list which I'll upload here a bit later. I also might well do a bit of virtual transporting in the peak and get the sightings. Sadly kits are beyond my skill set - I do like your Caprotti black 5 on Chapel - I love the whole layout! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted January 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2019 Evening ??? (cbo?), Thanks for posting about the signalling - I have been asked to signal a layout by my nephew and was having difficulty with short block sections and the impact on operations. Thinking through your questions has given me some ideas. Although I’m supposed to know about signalling, Midland practice is not something I’m too strong on so sometimes I have to interpret what is shown to understand how they did it. I’ve had a read through your Hassop thread so I can see that you understand the terminology: you also mentioned help from Beast which I assume was signalling related. I’ve found the Lime Sidings plan on SRS so can help with interpretation of that, but I haven’t found Millers Dale so I’m struggling a bit with your questions on that. So . . . Coming from Monsal Dale, your first query is the banner signal: that is what it is, and from reading the reduced SRS plan I think it says A2/3 so that a train on the fast lines can open up as soon as the banner is sighted if the distant was ‘on’. The lower distant arms on 2/6 are puzzling me as they imply that what I would call the LS starting signals (3 and 6) are also the Station home signals. It may be that the signals are slotted by station box because of the very short block section. The note at the other end of the plan about underbolting is a reflection of something similar in the other direction which I have come across elsewhere: the distant for station box also acts as the distant for Lime Sidings. Moving on to Millers Dale Station box. The D Hays photos link shows a bracketed colour light signal as you have said between the two tunnels. I can’t properly make out whether it is two or three aspect. Shame the smoke obscures the front view! Gut feel is that it is probably two aspect as you have on your copy. Your ‘what are these’ question is more difficult as I haven’t seen the original plan, but could they be track circuit identities? On the Lime Sidings plan, the dotted lines signify track circuits and the ‘TC nn’ are their identities. The three sets of symbols on the station plan fit with where I would find TC identities very plausible. And finally, your proposals (I’m confused geographically so can’t say Up or Down - I’ll refer to box side and opposite side). You have shown shunt signals for coming out of the opposite side sidings, you’ll need shunt signals for reversing in, for the slip crossover and into the box side sidings. Running signals on the box side with lower distants imply that they are controlled from another box, including from the bay platform. I think it would be very unusual to have a running signal applying to the bay platform and the adjacent siding so a separate shunt signal is needed. My concerns over the final plan may just be because I don’t understand fully what the adjacent signalling arrangements are. Similarly if I’m being too simplistic, or too pedantic please say. Hope the above helps rather than confuses! Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Thanks Paul - call me Rich btw! No need to apologise either - I'd like to get it as right as I can as I think I'm starting to work out that operation is the thing that I like the most. I'm not so au fait with signalling so it's great to actually learn! But I apologise if I ask a daft question below! Thanks re the banner repeater. I guess that makes sense particular as I think (if memory serves correctly) that there is a short downhill into MD station so it would be a good place to floor it to gain some speed for the continuing gradient to PF. Re the station diagrams: Just for context here is the 1966 MD station https://signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=898 Here is the pre widening diagram https://signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=873 It seems from the latter that there was still a distant and home on one post before the widening and the splitting distant was added in its place. I wonder if you're right about the doubling up of the signals as the boxes were very close - 400 yards max I'd say from my little walk yesterday. Being honest I don't understand what a signal being 'slotted' means though. One thing I think I know (!!!) about the Midland is there were on 'home and distant' posts times where the homes were always set to danger and the distance were the only ones that moved. I guess to form either an 'yellow' or 'red'? Thanks for the explanation of TC! That's what I thought they might be, but I guess they're not going to make much difference to a modeller (or are they?!). doing say if I'm wrong! Thanks again for your help and your thoroughness! I look forward to hearing from you again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Had a trip up to Millers Dale yesterday and took a good load of pics. Hope they are interesting! First, some of the station building and environs. Two points of interest are what might be a signal base for the Buxton platform starter (???) and the large piece of rock in the trees which was the 'stop block' for the Bay run round loop - probably not a place to have a crash! The pic of the Lst face is the entrance to station quarry. The signal box would have been roughly opposite where i was standing. Next some of the limestone faces. I think that painting Lst is a tricky thing as it looks different based on where it is, and how long it's been there. So I took a selection - I was surprised by the amount of red! Third some pictures of the lime works and kilns - including inside. If anyone knows what the steel in the ground is, please do say - I've no idea! Fourth, I'm building a 3 arch viaduct for the layout so Millers Dale Viaduct fits the bill nicely. Again a few surprises in that it' got a lot of white staining and also much brickwork or various types! It also seems that the piers are straight from the arch join, not angled. Though I may have that wrong. My hand shows that 4mm wood for the sides probably would work. Fifth, I was taking pictures of brick and stone work for Peter Smith or Kirtley Models to make some PDF's - I'm not sure my kids thought I was cool, but hey-ho! If they are useful to you, please feel free to use! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Hi all Did a little bit of bodging in the loft to see what old MD would look like in the loft. Seems to fit in ok though due to where the hillside is, what was north becomes south and vice versa. Fiddling has put a few random thoughts / questions in my head...If you have any thoughts do chip in with them! Positives for changing More operational scope More interesting signalling Negatives about changing More points = more money 3 way on the inside loop not being available in Bullhead is a headache. Could it still be called Litton and Cressbrook bearing in mind if it was located where it was the bay would be facing south. Less part of the real world. Questions Does the up station starter have to be before the single slip? Would it be possible to combine the Up (LH side) distant and home into one 3 aspect colour light signal I'm puzzled by the signals on the diagram for the bay. The distant are kind of on there twice and I just don't understand! Is the Down home on the Up starter post? My thanks in advance! Rich 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lecorbusier Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Hi all Did a little bit of bodging in the loft to see what old MD would look like in the loft. Seems to fit in ok though due to where the hillside is, what was north becomes south and vice versa. Fiddling has put a few random thoughts / questions in my head...If you have any thoughts do chip in with them! Positives for changing More operational scope More interesting signalling Negatives about changing More points = more money 3 way on the inside loop not being available in Bullhead is a headache. Could it still be called Litton and Cressbrook bearing in mind if it was located where it was the bay would be facing south. Less part of the real world. Rich As before ... no good on the questions I am afraid. Really like the new station layout. .... On the negatives .... I suspect over the medium term regret for not doing it might out-weigh the added expense of points? As far as the 3 way is concerned have you ever considered having a bash at your own trackwork? For 00 I found http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/3422-eastwood-town-update/ by Gordon S pretty inspirational. Feel free to ignore if this is not your thing though ..... but it would allow real freedom with the track layout. On the 'mirroring' front ... if you were to mirror the layout and landscape pretty faithfully ... then I would say the name stands and it would still be very much part of the real world in terms of inspiration. Anyway ... that's my take for what it's worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBrooks1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Hi Rich, This is a great idea. I love this area so much that I have devoted the past 5 years building my interpretation of Bakewell station and Monsall Head viaduct on my home layout (please see my RMweb blog) I like the ideas of the rock formations over the tunnel entrances on your layout. They are very interesting structures too cut straight into the hills How big is your layout as you have some good length trains with accurate coach lengths? Finally I think there is a great photo at the back of last Summer's steam Railway (Aug 2018?) which shows Oliver Cromwell with a pre-15 guinea special in 1968. The photo is taken from the top of the surrounding hills and shows the line as it was in 1968 and then 50 years later in 2018. If only the line was open again, even better if it was heritage steam. Oh well, we can relive those days with our hobby!! Best of luck with your project and I look forward to reading about your further progress in due course. Rob Brooks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Nice start to the layout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBrooks1 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 As before ... no good on the questions I am afraid. Really like the new station layout. .... On the negatives .... I suspect over the medium term regret for not doing it might out-weigh the added expense of points? As far as the 3 way is concerned have you ever considered having a bash at your own trackwork? For 00 I found http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/3422-eastwood-town-update/ by Gordon S pretty inspirational. Feel free to ignore if this is not your thing though ..... but it would allow real freedom with the track layout. On the 'mirroring' front ... if you were to mirror the layout and landscape pretty faithfully ... then I would say the name stands and it would still be very much part of the real world in terms of inspiration. Anyway ... that's my take for what it's worth. As before ... no good on the questions I am afraid. Really like the new station layout. .... On the negatives .... I suspect over the medium term regret for not doing it might out-weigh the added expense of points? As far as the 3 way is concerned have you ever considered having a bash at your own trackwork? For 00 I found http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/3422-eastwood-town-update/ by Gordon S pretty inspirational. Feel free to ignore if this is not your thing though ..... but it would allow real freedom with the track layout. On the 'mirroring' front ... if you were to mirror the layout and landscape pretty faithfully ... then I would say the name stands and it would still be very much part of the real world in terms of inspiration. Anyway ... that's my take for what it's worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBrooks1 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Hi Rich, On the subject of points, I agree that Peco don't do a Bullhead 3 way point at the moment but I know that SMP Marcway do ready made ones in finescale. You can always make your own but if that worries you, contact Marc Weaver at Marcway in Sheffield and I am sure that they can help you. I made some of my own points from copper clad strip on my Bakewell layout but when I thought things were getting complicated such as making double slips, I used the Marcway ready made ones 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 HI Rob, Thanks for the posts - sorry it's taken a while to get back to you. Thanks for the Marcway tip. That's useful. I'm trying to look through my books and see if I can see a trailing 3 way on a mainline - my instinct is that the Midland would have avoided them...I don't know why that's my instinct though! I really love your picture - feel free to stick a few more on or a link to your blog. Lovely weathering too! I'll write more when I get a chance - maybe later tonight! Yours Richard HI Rob, Thanks for the posts - sorry it's taken a while to get back to you. Thanks for the Marcway tip. That's useful. I'm trying to look through my books and see if I can see a trailing 3 way on a mainline - my instinct is that the Midland would have avoided them...I don't know why that's my instinct though! I really love your picture - feel free to stick a few more on or a link to your blog. Lovely weathering too! I'll write more when I get a chance - maybe later tonight! Yours Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Not updated this for a while - well since I've been back at work after Christmas really. And not made much progress on the layout, only gone through the moment of wondering whether my track plan is any good at all and getting all flustered about it...I did however receive some nicely weathered wagons from Mr. David Smith so I thought you could see them here. They look a bit 'flatter' and darker here then in 'real life' funny how the old iPhone changes things. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted February 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2019 They look really good Rich, just having those must be getting the mojo woken up Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie586 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Just came across your thread. I've walked parts of the trail many times. I'll follow the layout progress. Best of luck. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 I finally went in the loft while the kids were away at the grandparents and did some twiddling with the track layout as I wasn't satisfied with the way things were before. I think Lecorbusier you're right with adding the operational interest but I thought that if it were a station that had the Buxton Bay i would also need to be bigger to accommodate the expresses who drop their coaches there like the real Millers Dale. So to make the platforms bigger I've moved the station throat to the Left. If you have any thoughts, please let me know. I knocked up the drawing on a train journey yesterday, so apologies it's not great! Also we've got two new friends in the family! The ginger one seems to confuse the litter tray and the carpet though ;-) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 That weathering is amazing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Layout is developing well. Your cats are very lovey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lecorbusier Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 developing nicely methinks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9FEd Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 On 31/12/2018 at 16:21, cbeagleowner said: Litton and Cressbrook would fall between the line controlled by Monsal Dale to the South, who's last signal was (in the 50's) a colour light between Cressbrook and Litton Tunnels I've enjoyed reading this thread as I'm currently contemplating layout plans centred on the short shelf between the Litton/Cressbrook tunnel portals - does anybody know what this 3 aspect signal protected, was it the loop at Monsal Dale station? I've been trying to confirm as I'd like to include the signal (and properly understand its purpose before I do!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Hi - I'll have a look for you in the next couple of days. I seem to remember looking for the answer to this at some point in the past... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9FEd Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 @cbeagleowner that'd be great, thank you - I haven't managed to get to the answer yet myself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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