RMweb Gold CovDriver Posted June 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 26, 2020 Just a quick question as my daughter bought me a Bachmann 37/4 37422 in the regional railways livery I was wondering the size of the nameplates (Robert F Fairlie) as the printed version on the bodyside seems to be a bit small compared to the etched ones. But I've purchased an etched set of plates and crests from Fox transfers that have the blue background and the length of them they're looking very odd as compared to the printed ones on the bodyside they appear to long. Before I commit to applying the etched plates which would be nearer the correct size? I've looked on sites such as Flickr etc.. to see if 37422 had two versions of the same nameplates fitted during its spell in Regionsl railways livery. Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Maybe the printed ones are a touch undersize so they don't show around the etched ones if fitted? I seem to recall reading somewhere that a manufacturer had done that previously. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold CovDriver Posted June 27, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27, 2020 I thought exactly that at first but the size difference seems to much. Here's a photo to show the difference in sizes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I've got a set of Jackson Evans ones just to throw in the mix. Size approximately 19mm by 3.5mm. Red with a plaque. Which was the colour they were when fitted to 47645 until 1990 when they were put on the 37 and presumably painted blue. http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0770050236200 Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted June 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2020 I wouldn't trust Fox on diesel nameplate size. Their Saltire Society ones were far too short compared to another manufacturer's, and photos clearly showed Fox were wrong. I tried to tell Fox but as usual when he makes a mistake, he wasn't having any of it, even in the face of photographic evidence. Looking at photos of the real thing, the small transfers look closer to the original. But did the real loco always have the same size plates? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold CovDriver Posted June 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2020 This is exactly my question I cant find photographic evidence to show that 37422 carried two different size plates. I'm reluctant to apply these plates I may have a look at another supplier such as model master or railtec as I cant seem to work out how to order from Shawplan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railtec-models Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, CovDriver said: This is exactly my question I cant find photographic evidence to show that 37422 carried two different size plates. I'm reluctant to apply these plates I may have a look at another supplier such as model master or railtec as I cant seem to work out how to order from Shawplan. If it helps: as someone who spends a large proportion of every single day manipulating images and scaling to size, my input here would be: On the assumption that the RR stripe has the same dimensions as the ScotRail / InterCity stripes, then the outer dimensions of the plate in 4mm should be pretty much 13mm wide x 3mm tall. I have a square-on image of the plate also showing the RR stripe. Also looking at various images of 422 in RR colours through its career then I don't believe there were two different sizes of plate, at least on the 37 (and even if there were a possibility then this would be unusual given the cost). It's not a high enough res image from which to be able to make a suitable representation of the crest, but it has enough info to give me the above, which is what I would make it if I were just making the plate and not the crest (which I wouldn't have resource to do without a really hi res perfectly square-on image). The images also show that there is almost as much space again either side of the plate between the grilles, which would not seem to align with the etched plate shown in the image above. If anything, I'd say the factory print is a closer representation. Hope this helps, Steve Edited June 28, 2020 by railtec-models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold CovDriver Posted June 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, railtec-models said: If it helps: as someone who spends a large proportion of every single day manipulating images and scaling to size, my input here would be: On the assumption that the RR stripe has the same dimensions as the ScotRail / InterCity stripes, then the outer dimensions of the plate in 4mm should be pretty much 13mm wide x 3mm tall. I have a square-on image of the plate also showing the RR stripe. Also looking at various images of 422 in RR colours through its career then I don't believe there were two different sizes of plate, at least on the 37 (and even if there were a possibility then this would be unusual given the cost). It's not a high enough res image from which to be able to make a suitable representation of the crest, but it has enough info to give me the above, which is what I would make it if I were just making the plate and not the crest (which I wouldn't have resource to do without a really hi res perfectly square-on image). The images also show that there is almost as much space again either side of the plate between the grilles, which would not seem to align with the etched plate shown in the image above. Hope this helps, Steve That helps very much indeed Steve, the representation of the crest that was supplied I would say is passable just so I may use the crests only. As I've used your transfer style nameplates for 37558 before which was so easy I must add. I did look on your website yesterday but couldn't see anything as it was only a very quick browse. Would you be able to do a set of plates for 37422 ? Cheers Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railtec-models Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, CovDriver said: That helps very much indeed Steve, the representation of the crest that was supplied I would say is passable just so I may use the crests only. As I've used your transfer style nameplates for 37558 before which was so easy I must add. I did look on your website yesterday but couldn't see anything as it was only a very quick browse. Would you be able to do a set of plates for 37422 ? Cheers Colin If it's just the plate itself then yes, I can get that put into a custom 3d run as it doesn't really require any new design work. I'll PM you. The 3d plates have probably evolved several versions since the ones you last had, too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Didn't it have nameplates in the pack? Every Bachmann named diesel I've got has a set of Shawplan nameplates supplied. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold CovDriver Posted June 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Didn't it have nameplates in the pack? Every Bachmann named diesel I've got has a set of Shawplan nameplates supplied. Jason There was no plates included as it was the Bachmann special offer from Rails. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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