Wagonmaster Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Hi All, a bit of a problem with JMRI changing points. I have a Lenz LVZ100 and LH100 setup. The layout I'm building has LS100 accessory decoders with the built in feedback. So, when I change a point with the LH100, one press and the point changes. The LH100 display indicates feedback is being received. So no problem that I can see there. Now, when I use JMRI PanelPro, I click the point and I can hear the solenoid buzz, but it doesn't change the point. The point icon however, does change. Click a second time and the point changes! If I manually change the feedback microswitch, the icon does show the changed state. I have checked all the wiring and it is correct. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why I need to double click the points and why the feedback shows its changed when it hasn't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted June 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2020 What point motors are you using? How many points are affected this way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagonmaster Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 Thanks for your reply Mick. The point motors are Peco PL-10E driving Peco OO Gauge Code 100 points. The motors are mounted on PL-12 bases under the baseboard. The operating bar on the PL-12 activates two micro switches, one to change frog polarity and the other for position feedback wired according to the Lenz LS100 instructions. The motors move freely with no mechanical obstruction. As I say, there is no problem using the LH100, it all operates as expected. The LH100 indicates it is a feedback device. It is only when using JMRI I have to double click the point to get it to change. This applies to all the points using two LS100's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted June 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2020 In your turnout table, which feedback mode is defined for these points? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted June 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2020 When you change a point with the LH100, the pulse duration is for as long as you hold down the button. When you change the turnout with JMRI, I assume the duration is the default set in the LS100 as it is with the LS150. Is this perhaps too short? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagonmaster Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 Ah, good question! They are set to monitoring, as suggested by JMRI. However, a conflicting piece of JMRI documentation says they should be set to exact! Confusing or what! In any event, it didn't seem to make much difference on either setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagonmaster Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, RFS said: When you change a point with the LH100, the pulse duration is for as long as you hold down the button. When you change the turnout with JMRI, I assume the duration is the default set in the LS100 as it is with the LS150. Is this perhaps too short? This is a good point (no pun intended). I will investigate this tomorrow. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted June 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2020 12 hours ago, Wagpnmaster said: Hi All, a bit of a problem with JMRI changing points. I have a Lenz LVZ100 and LH100 setup. The layout I'm building has LS100 accessory decoders with the built in feedback. So, when I change a point with the LH100, one press and the point changes. The LH100 display indicates feedback is being received. So no problem that I can see there. Now, when I use JMRI PanelPro, I click the point and I can hear the solenoid buzz, but it doesn't change the point. The point icon however, does change. Click a second time and the point changes! If I manually change the feedback microswitch, the icon does show the changed state. I have checked all the wiring and it is correct. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why I need to double click the points and why the feedback shows its changed when it hasn't? Is it perhaps that the JMRI needs to be "inverted"? it might be buzzing and not moving because it is already at the position that JMRI thinks it is moving to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagonmaster Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 23:46, 96701 said: Is it perhaps that the JMRI needs to be "inverted"? it might be buzzing and not moving because it is already at the position that JMRI thinks it is moving to. After a bit of fiddling and investigation, I ended up with one point not performing correctly. So I tried your 'inverting' suggestion and that worked. Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions. I can move on to the next bit now, track occupation sensors. Another can of worms no doubt! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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