RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, SED Freightman said: 47354 piloting 45112 through Clapham Junction on a Northfleet coal train on 24/10/1975 This fits with the working mentioned in the 1976 R.O. On 12/09/2020 at 23:15, keefer said: 22/06/76 47324 piloting 45129 on Welbeck/Brent-Northfleet APCM coal train. The cl.47 pilots provide better acceleration in the SR suburban area and are used for their SSC when discharging. They are now often attached/detached at Clapham Jcn(W) instead of Brent(LMR) as previously 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Have discovered my own notes from 1977 which also include a couple more from the wanted list :- 47247 seen passing Bat & Ball on a Merthyr to Folkestone excursion on 12/06/1977. 47203 seen passing Sevenoaks on a Weston Super Mare to Dover Priory Adex on 14/08/1977 47008 seen passing Sevenoaks on a Oxford to Hastings (via Ashford) Adex on 14/08/1977 47446 seen passing Sevenoaks on a Barry to Hastings (via Ashford) Mystex on 14/08/1977 47464 worked a Ramsgate to Newcastle 'Pleasure Seeker' excursion from Ashford to Newcastle and back to Brent Jn after a cl.33 failed at Ashford on the outward journey on 22/10/1977. 47063 seen heading south through Sevenoaks on 10/11/1977 The following were all noted at Tonbridge West Yard :- 47029 on 12/09/1977 47465 on 14/09/1977 47252 on 20/09/1977 47236 on 17/10/1977 47511 on 19/10/1977 47250 on 28/10/1977 47239 on 11/11/1977 47119 on 15/11/1977 47128 on 16/11/1977 47031 on 17/11/1977 47533 on 18/11/1977 47061 on 21/11/1977 47142 on 22/11/1977 & 24/11/1977. 47249 on 29/11/1977 47013 on 01/12/1977 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 Thanks. I will post an updated version soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) The earliest mention of 47's on the SED that I have found in the Railway Magazine appears in the August 1969 edition where it was reported that 1597 & 1933 had been noted passing Canterbury East on excursions from the Midlands to Dover Marine on 15/06/1969. Slightly more recent reports from the 1977 & 1978 editions :- 47088 noted on the Strood to Paddock Wood line on 16/06/1977 47096 noted on the Strood to Paddock Wood Line on 25/06/1977 47323 & 47359 were hauling a Welbeck to Northfleet MGR train which derailed at Mottingham on 11/10/1977 47104 worked a trip from Norwood to Bricklayers Arms on 05/08/1978 47030 worked the Night Ferry ECS from Victoria (to Stewarts Lane ?) on 25/08/1978 Edited December 26, 2020 by SED Freightman Spelling error ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Only a few 47's mentioned in the 1979 editions of the Railway Magazine, but they do include one shewn on the wanted list :- 47418 noted as working the 0900 Hoo Jn to Galley Hill tanks on 10/10/1978 47228 worked a Bedford to Margate excursion on 08/07/1979 47285 worked a Hayes & Harlington to Ramsgate excursion on 08/07/1979 56050 + 47327 worked an MGR train to Northfleet on 01/08/1979, this was alleged to be the first cl.56 working on the SED. 47510 was noted at Hither Green on 06/08/1979 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) Thanks for taking the time to hunt that information out. 47418 on the Galley Hill tanks was quite something. Weirdly it was one of the very few generators to surface at Dover 10 years later or so on the cross country services. I can not believe 47083 ORION never made it. But at the moment I have no recorded sighting of it. This is now what is missing from the list that I have no record of visiting. 15 Class 47/0 47003 47009 47046 47083 47093 47115 47149 47176 47183 47208 47263 47269 47271 47275 47282 7 Class 47/3 47300 47332 47336 47368 47373 47379 47380 43 Class47/4 47402 47403 47405 47407 47408 47409 47410 47411 47412 47413 47414 47416 47417 47419 47420 47422 47430 47437 47440 47460 47461 47468 47472 47486 47493 47494 47496 47498 47502 47504 47506 47516 47523 47529 47541 47550 47576 47579 47601/901 47604 47617 47633 47643 7 Class 47/7 47701 47702 47706 47707 47708 47710 47711 A total of 72. I am still trying to find mid 70s- early 90s TOPS sightings of the following. They visited but bearing later numbers. 47007 47036 47047 47160 47184 47260 47272 47274 47480 47495 47499 47505 47514 47548 47554 47562 47593 47605 47614 47630 47642 Edited December 26, 2020 by SouthernBlue80s 47353, 47415 recorded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 hours ago, SED Freightman said: Only a few 47's mentioned in the 1979 editions of the Railway Magazine, but they do include one shewn on the wanted list :- 47418 noted as working the 0900 Hoo Jn to Galley Hill tanks on 10/10/1978 47228 worked a Bedford to Margate excursion on 08/07/1979 47285 worked a Hayes & Harlington to Ramsgate excursion on 08/07/1979 56050 + 47327 worked an MGR train to Northfleet on 01/08/1979, this was alleged to be the first cl.56 working on the SED. 47510 was noted at Hither Green on 06/08/1979 Out of interest, do you know which class 37s turned up on the Galley Hill tanks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, SouthernBlue80s said: Out of interest, do you know which class 37s turned up on the Galley Hill tanks? Alas no, the 37's only appeared after the traffic source had switched from Grain to Thameshaven but I will look out for any mention of them while looking for more SED 47's. We have previously had 47353 :- 1834 (47353) noted on an engineers train at London Bridge on 17/02/1973. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 This is as good as finished. See version 10 below. These were the locos that were never sighted - so if you ever come across a bit of gen or a picture let me know. Thanks for all your input so far. 47003 47009 47046 47083 47115 47149 47176 47183 47208 47263 47269 47271 47275 47282 47332 47336 47368 47373 47379 47380 47402 47403 47405 47407 47408 47409 47410 47411 47412 47413 47414 47416 47417 47419 47420 47422 47430 47437 47440 47460 47461 47468 47472 47486 47493 47494 47496 47498 47502 47504 47506 47516 47529 47541 47550 47576 47579 47601/901 47604 47617 47633 47643 47701 47702 47706 47707 47708 47710 47711 Six locos are shown twice in the list above 47046/601/901 47083/633 47149/576 47183/579 47269/643 47271/604 Which gives us a total of 63 not recorded as having visited A summary of Interesting workings - observations 11/06/1972 - After D6130 was derailed at Eltham I have no record of it every having worked back into the South Eastern Division as 47048 or 47570 – It stayed well away 10/10/1978 A generator working its way across the south on a freight! 47418 worked the Hoo Junction Galley Hill tanks. Most of the Generators didn’t turn up however this one couldn’t stay away I have 4 recorded visits for it. Scottish ETH 47s that visited 47595 ED 1986 47469 ED May 1988 Last sighted in Green livery 06/06/1976 47256 in green livery on 1Z10 Reading General-Margate 19/06/1976 47356 in green livery on High Wycombe-Margate. 15/06/1976 47216 on Hoo Jcn-Richborough oil train - normally a class73 01/08/1979 56050 + 47327 worked an MGR train to Northfleet. This was alleged to be the first class 56 working on the SED. 27/09/1979 Slough-Hoo Jn. oil train is normally a WR class 47 duty. Hauled by 50008, believed to be first visit of class to the SED 00/03/1974 First TOPs numbered Machine recorded 47078 worked excursion from Bristol Division to Canterbury West Last sightings with pre tops numbers 00/08/1973 1596 (later 47470) worked excursion from Bristol Division to Deal or Ramsgate and return 1711 (later 47122) worked Mystex from Bristol Division to Ramsgate and return 13/11/1983 47415 ended up at Dover Western Docks Last 47 recorded during British Rail days 47809 (47654) 27/02/1994 Folkestone 27/08/1994 Last class 47 working from Dover Western Docks 47839 (47621) IM79 Dover Western Docks - Wolverhampton In 1988 47124 turned up to Bettshanger on a test run with MGRs The database below Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v10.docx 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 This is the database cut to show all sightings in the 70s and 80s Which is of interest to a few. Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_1970s 1980s.docx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 Is it downloading OK? As I downloaded from here onto my phone and the format is mildly corrupted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
73c Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Both opened fine on my PC. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter A Hall Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Only just became aware of this very interesting topic. Something I have been putting together, but not very rapidly is a listing of Holiday Preview / Excursions originating in the Sheffield Division (excluding the regular Skegness / Scarborough etc). One that you might find of particular interest was on 11th May 1974. This was 06:20 Barnsley - Hastings, 17:34 return. 47046 was used Barnsley - Ashford - Barnsley and 33210 Ashford - Hastings - Ashford. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) On 14/07/2021 at 11:14, Peter A Hall said: Only just became aware of this very interesting topic. Something I have been putting together, but not very rapidly is a listing of Holiday Preview / Excursions originating in the Sheffield Division (excluding the regular Skegness / Scarborough etc). One that you might find of particular interest was on 11th May 1974. This was 06:20 Barnsley - Hastings, 17:34 return. 47046 was used Barnsley - Ashford - Barnsley and 33210 Ashford - Hastings - Ashford. Thank you Peter. Sorry for the late reply but I have only just caught up with the thread. I will update the database with that sighting. Edited August 28, 2021 by SouthernBlue80s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 Version 11 here, with 47046 recorded as having visited. I can no longer upload the document as as word document so it is in the form of a PDF. Also I have used red to note the locos not recorded as it makes things clearer. Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v11.pdf These were the locos that were never sighted - so if you ever come across a bit of gen or a picture let me know. Thanks for all your input so far. 47003 47009 47083 47115 47149 47176 47183 47208 47263 47269 47271 47275 47282 47332 47336 47368 47373 47379 47380 47402 47403 47405 47407 47408 47409 47410 47411 47412 47413 47414 47416 47417 47419 47420 47422 47430 47437 47440 47460 47461 47468 47472 47486 47493 47494 47496 47498 47502 47504 47506 47516 47529 47541 47550 47576 47579 47601/901(visited as 47046 but it would be interesting to know if it visited in a later guise) 47604 47617 47633 47643 47701 47702 47706 47707 47708 47710 47711 Five locos are shown twice in the list above 47083/633 47149/576 47183/579 47269/643 47271/604 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Sorry to spoil the new list but I have found a couple more visitors to Bat & Ball whilst looking up some other information ;- 47083 arr B&B on a train ex Mountsorrel on 22/04/1983. 47009 arr B&B on 6O94 0828 ex Mountsorrel on 08/06/1984 & 11/06/1984. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, SED Freightman said: Sorry to spoil the new list but I have found a couple more visitors to Bat & Ball whilst looking up some other information ;- 47083 arr B&B on a train ex Mountsorrel on 22/04/1983. 47009 arr B&B on 6O94 0828 ex Mountsorrel on 08/06/1984 & 11/06/1984. Thanks. No problem. It doesn´t seem to have uploaded properly anyway. I will amend it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) OK I am having real trouble up loading this. So for the time being here is the up to date list for unsighted locos. 11x47/0 6x47/3 41x47/4 7x47/7 Total 65 47003 47115 47149 47176 47183 47208 47263 47269 47271 47275 47282 47332 47336 47368 47373 47379 47380 47402 47403 47405 47407 47408 47409 47410 47411 47412 47413 47414 47416 47417 47419 47420 47422 47430 47437 47440 47460 47461 47468 47472 47486 47493 47494 47496 47498 47502 47504 47506 47516 47529 47541 47550 47576 47579 47601/901(visited as 47046 but it would be interesting to know if it visited in a later guise) 47604 47617 47633 47643 47701 47702 47706 47707 47708 47710 47711 Five locos are shown twice in the list above 47083/633 47149/576 47183/579 47269/643 47271/604 Edited January 2, 2022 by SouthernBlue80s 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Herewith the version 11 pdf (hopefully), posted on behalf of SouthernBlue80s. Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v11.pdf 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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