RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 12, 2020 1976 R.O. 01/02/76 47004(SF) on 1Z75 Cambridge-Folkstone West & return (Troop Special) 19/03/76 47327 at Hither Green (Context: Southfleet branch from Fawkham Jcn was disused during March. Hence empty coal wagons were worked from Brent-Hither Green then on to Kent collieries via Ashford, loaded wagons on the return route. Cl.47s normally work the Brent-Hither Green leg, occasionally through to Ashford) 20/03/76 47104 on 1Z11 Weston-super-Mare-Canterbury West throughout 10/04/76 47138 on Ealing Broadway-Folkstone Harbour. 47138 worked to Folkstone Jcn, 73134 then worked train to Harbour. Return service had 73134 from Harbour-Jcn with 47138 assisting at rear. After reversal at Jcn 47138 worked train back to Ealing. Mentions that during period of 29/05 to 27/06/76, there were 40 Special trains from other regions - most of these were worked by cl.47 throughout, but some changed to SR traction in London area. 06/06/76 47256(CF) [green livery] on 1Z10 Reading General-Margate. 06/06/76 47080 'Titan'(CF) on 1Z80 Newport-Margate 47256 was booked to run via Chatham but due to a fire at Meopham, ran via Maidstone East, Ashford, Dover and Ramsgate to Margate (Ashford-Canterbury W.-Ramsgate closed due to engineering works). 47256 & 47080 Margate-Ashford(Chart Leacon) via Dover for fuel but unable to access Chart Leacon due to engineering works. Locos were failed, with 33038 & 33063 working return trains. 15/06/76 47216 on Hoo Jcn-Richborough oil train (normally cl.73) 19/06/76 47356(TO) [green livery] on High Wycombe-Margate. This was one of four Ercol Charter trains, each headed by cl.47s - one failed just before the return journey. 22/06/76 47324 piloting 45129 on Welbeck/Brent-Northfleet APCM coal train. The cl.47 pilots provide better acceleration in the SR suburban area and are used for their SSC when discharging. They are now often attached/detached at Clapham Jcn(W) instead of Brent(LMR) as previously. Mentions that between 21/06-25/07/76 there were 28 Specials from other regions, generally worked throughout by cl.47 except those via LMR electrified lines which change to cl.33 in London area. Cl.47 not allowed between Ashford-Ore so trains to Hastings via Rye change to cl.33 at Ashford. 03/07/76 47135(SF) on ER stock from Thornton Fields and work Folkstone West-Newcastle throughout 17/07/76 47130(SF) on ER stock from Cambridge and work 1Z20 Dover Marine-Leeds " / " / " 47170(SF) on ER stock from Thornton Fields and work 1Z21 Dover Marine-Bradford (Both locos worked throughout, reaching Leeds via Brent and MML) From 26/07-22/08/76 there were 29 Specials, 18 worked by cl.47 throughout. 16 were reported to need refuelling at Chart Leacon, usually run light engine from Margate, Ramsgate,Dover or Folkstone. 2 trains, returning e.c.s. were routed via Ashford - stock left in Ashford yard while locos refuelled at Chart Leacon. 03/08/76 47354(CW) on 1Z77 Dover Marine-Newcastle (believed to have worked l.e. to Dover) From 24/08-25/09/76 there were 33 Specials from other Regions with 18 worked throughout by cl.47 (16 locos refuelled at Ashford CL) 28/08/76 47357(TO) on 1Z20 Dover Marine-Leeds " / " / " 47178(BS) on 1Z21 Dover Marine-Bradford (both locos refuelled at Ashford CL on e.c.s. journey from Neville Hill-Dover) 29/08/76 47482(BS) on Special from Ludgershall (SWD) 11/09/76 47438(BS) on 1Z95 Margate-Scarborough return Holiday Special. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2020 The last complete R.O. I have is for 1969. There are fewer mentions of Inter-regional Excursions etc. in general but of those, even where the headcode/route are given, many have no detail of the loco used. c.02/69 1688/1709/1713/1722/1731 at Dartford on freight trains and have been seen shunting in the goods yard there 18/04/69 1670 passing through Dartford 23/04/69 1996 passing through Dartford (possibly on freights as there is a reference to the February workings above. They are believed to have worked through from LMR) 25/05/69 1674 on 1Z76, Whit Sunday Excursion from LMR to Kent Coast 08/06/69 1840(D05) on 1Z20 Burton-on-Trent to Kent Coast. Loco failed at Ramsgate, so return train hauled by cl.33 6585. 1840 was repaired and returned l.e. to LMR the next day. 15/06/69 1631(D16) on Excursion from Bedford. Failed at Faversham Jcn - out of fuel despite gauge showing 650gal "/ "/ " 1749(82A) on WR Mystex through Faversham - outward via Chatham, return via Ashford "/ "/ " 1933(82A) on WR Mystex as above 06/07/69 1559(40B) on 1Z68 Bedford-Margate Excursion 20/07/69 1686 on Excursion from Ealing Broadway As an aside, on 21 & 22/08/69, strike action was staged by Norwood diesel crews in support of a demand for the abolition of through engine working on Excursion and similar trains from other Regions. The objection apparently being that LMR & WR crews on long-distance trains like these qualify for a mileage bonus. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 Some interesting workings there Keefer. Green 47s to Margate in 1976. 47216 on the Hoo Jcn-Richborough oil train. Anyway. Here is the latest update. More gaps filled. I am finding the whole exercise interesting. Keep your observations coming. I will probably extrapolate the 1980s tops document and the Depths of the SE division document at the end of the year from this root document. So this is version 7 of all 47s seen on the SE Division. Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v7.docx 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 Hi all. I will upload version 8 in a few days. Before I do so has anyone any more 47 sightings to add. Cheers Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 Version 8 here. Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v8.docx 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 OK these are the ones not yet sighted I am going to contact a few of the folks that put up pics on face book. Perhaps they can help So far 160 did not visit out of 512 that is loosely 30% 47003 47009 47016 47019 47039 47045 47046 47083 47093 47115 47149 47150 47158 47160 47164 47176 47179 47180 47182 47183 47208 47209 47211 47213 47219 47222 47263 47268 47269 47270 47271 47274 47275 47277 47278 47282 47300 47313 47317 47325 47326 47332 47333 47336 47353 47359 47364 47368 47372 47373 47376 47379 47380 47401 47402 47403 47404 47405 47406 47407 47408 47409 47410 47411 47412 47413 47414 47415 47416 47417 47418 47419 47420 47422 47428 47430 47437 47439 47440 47441 47444 47448 47452 47453 47454 47460 47461 47463 47464 47467 47468 47469 47472 47474 47479 47483 47486 47487 47488 47493 47494 47496 47498 47502 47504 47506 47508 47509 47510 47511 47514 47516 47519 47523 47525 47529 47530 47531 47538 47541 47542 47544 47547 47549 47550 47554 47558 47565 47568 47571 47576 47577 47579 47584 47587 47588 47595 47600 47601/901 47604 47605 47608 47617 47632 47633 47634 47635 47643 47654 47655 47663 47701 47702 47703 47705 47706 47707 47708 47710 47711 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted November 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2020 Always meant to say, well done on trying to get such a reference work done. Not my area at all so had to rely on published sources, no spotting notes I'm afraid! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 12 hours ago, keefer said: Always meant to say, well done on trying to get such a reference work done. Not my area at all so had to rely on published sources, no spotting notes I'm afraid! You were of great help Keefer, thanks. I am already on V9 wittling the 160 down. So far 47703 has also been sighted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 Version 9 will be a big update. I am now down to 141 not recorded. But I have a way to go yet. I think at version 9/10 I will have exhausted most options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin46 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Hi SouthernBlue80s I use to live in NW Kent with South Eastern mainline running at the bottom of the garden :-) I took photos from 1987 to 1998 of many Class 47s in that area, so I may be able to help with your compilation. What ones are your missing ? HTH Tim Edited November 21, 2020 by merlin46 Typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2020 22 hours ago, SouthernBlue80s said: OK these are the ones not yet sighted I am going to contact a few of the folks that put up pics on face book. Perhaps they can help So far 160 did not visit out of 512 that is loosely 30% 47372 47372 dragged EMUs around Kent during the heavy snows one year in the 80s, when 56s and other locos worked as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Only just on the SED, however on 20/11/1983 47558 worked the 0956 Gatwick Airport to Manchester Piccadilly service from Victoria (Eastern) where the train had reversed due to engineering work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, merlin46 said: Hi SouthernBlue80s I use to live in NW Kent with South Eastern mainline running at the bottom of the garden :-) I took photos from 1987 to 1998 of many Class 47s in that area, so I may be able to help with your compilation. What ones are your missing ? HTH Tim Hi Tim Thanks for your offer. I think what I will do is get the list to the most complete state that I can soon. I have some detailed info on 47 workings to wade through. And then I will have a definite list of what is missing and i will contact you. Cheers Steve BTW Great that you had the railway at the bottom of your garden. Edited November 21, 2020 by SouthernBlue80s 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin46 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Sounds like a plan ;-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) Another one to cross off your list is 47359, a photo of it working 6S45 1245 Northfleet to Uddingstone at Clapham Junction on 18th September 1974 appears in 'The Power of the 47's' by Brian Morrison. Edited December 20, 2020 by SED Freightman Actual date of photo added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 hours ago, SED Freightman said: Another one to cross off your list is 47359, a photo of it working 6S45 1245 Northfleet to Uddingstone at Clapham Junction in September 1974 appears in 'The Power of the 47's' by Brian Morrison. Thanks. Now down to 124 for sight. 47401 and 47404 have surfaced. One I found interesting was 47349 worked from Canterbury 23/7/1987 and eventually ended up in Glasgow at the end of the day. Still lots more work at my end. But version 9 will be a big update. Watch this space 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) OK this a progressed a long way. My eyes have glazed over with class 47 numbers. So I am going to give it another rest. We are towards the end of this. And I will have it finished by Christmas. Below is version 9 It is a very big update Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v9.docx We now have 118 47s as not recorded as having visited. They are listed here. If you come across any more info please post it up and I will polish it off and extrapolate the other docs from it in a few weeks. Thanks all 47003 47009 47016 47019 47039 47045 47046 47083 47093 47115 47149 47150 47158 47160 47164 47176 47179 47180 47182 47183 47208 47211 47213 47219 47222 47263 47268 47269 47270 47271 47274 47275 47278 47282 47300 47313 47325 47326 47332 47333 47336 47353 47368 47373 47376 47379 47380 47402 47403 47405 47406 47407 47408 47409 47410 47411 47412 47413 47414 47415 47416 47417 47419 47420 47422 47430 47437 47440 47441 47452 47453 47460 47461 47463 47464 47468 47469 47472 47474 47479 47486 47493 47494 47496 47498 47502 47504 47506 47510 47511 47514 47516 47523 47529 47531 47541 47550 47554 47576 47579 47587 47588 47601/901 47604 47605 47617 47633 47635 47643 47663 47701 47702 47705 47706 47707 47708 47710 47711 More definite sightings of the following, actually in the SE division, would be good 47584 47359 47209 47007 Edited November 23, 2020 by SouthernBlue80s 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2020 Thanks, very interesting. Many of those missing do make a bit of sense based on where they were allocated, but you do have to wonder how three WR namers 47083 ORION, 47510 Fair Rosamund and 47511 Thames were not recorded with all those Merrymakers and the like from the WR... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, brushman47544 said: Thanks, very interesting. Many of those missing do make a bit of sense based on where they were allocated, but you do have to wonder how three WR namers 47083 ORION, 47510 Fair Rosamund and 47511 Thames were not recorded with all those Merrymakers and the like from the WR... True. I am guessing they will be tracked down. Scottish 47469 and 47595 both made it down. Now down to 114 to be recorded. 325 was apparently in and out of Northfleet in 1988 - anyone got a sighting? Edited November 24, 2020 by SouthernBlue80s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 Hi all I am finally going to put this project to bed. Just trawling for final sightings. Below is a list of 47s not yet recorded on the South Eastern Division. Any more sightings or photographs of the locos listed below, even if they were showing an earlier or later number. Thanks Steve 47003 47009 47016 47039 47045 47046 47083 47093 47115 47149 47150 47158 47160 47164 47176 47179 47180 47182 47183 47208 47211 47213 47219 47222 47263 47268 47269 47271 47274 47275 47282 47300 47313 47332 47333 47336 47353 47368 47373 47379 47380 47402 47403 47405 47406 47407 47408 47409 47410 47411 47412 47413 47414 47415 47416 47417 47419 47420 47422 47430 47437 47440 47441 47452 47453 47460 47461 47463 47464 47468 47469 47472 47474 47479 47486 47493 47494 47496 47498 47502 47504 47506 47510 47511 47514 47516 47523 47529 47531 47541 47550 47554 47576 47579 47587 47588 47601/901 47604 47605 47617 47633 47635 47643 47663 47701 47702 47705 47706 47707 47708 47710 47711 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) Not new sightings for the master list but the following details from 1974 editions of the Railway Magazine might be of interest :- 1666 'Odin' in green livery worked a 1Z88 Llanelli to Canterbury West Mystex in Feb 1972 - Photo of train at Factory Jn appeared in March 1974 edition, page 119. 1811 in green livery worked a Loughborough to Herne Bay (ECS to/from Margate) Mystex ON 15 July 1973 - Article detailing trip appeared in March 1974 edition, page 118. 1805 worked a Leicester to Herne Bay Mystex on 15 July 1973, mentioned in March 1974 edition, page 120. 47233 worked a Cardiff to Ramsgate Mystex from Reading on 19/08/74, mentioned in November edition, page 572. 47315 + 55 (Cl.45) worked an MGR train to Northfleet on 07/09/74, mentioned in December edition, page 619. I will continue to look through my old copies of the Railway Magazine in case any of the missing 47's get a mention. Edited December 22, 2020 by SED Freightman Actual dates for Herne Bay spls added. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Only a few mentioned in the 1975 editions of The Railway Magazine :- 47226 worked a Plymouth to Folkestone West special (MoD?) and ECS back to Old Oak Common on 08/01/1975. 47088 worked a Yeovil Pen Mill to Canterbury West Footex on 11/01/1975. 47177 worked the 1200 Snowdon Colliery to Acton coal train on 13/01/1975. 47088 noted leaving Dover on what may have been a Motorail service on 02/07/1975. 47123 worked a Derby to Margate excursion on 07/08/1975. 47107 (failed) + 11 coaches destined Derby noted passing Herne Bay on 07/08/1975, being propelled by 4BEP+4CEP to Faversham where the 47 was replaced by 33044. This may have been the return working of the excursion worked by 47123. 47247 worked an Oxford to Ramsgate special on 18/08/1975. 47366 (in green livery) worked Thatcham to Hoo Junction ety tanks in late August 1975. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, SED Freightman said: This may have been the return working of the excursion worked by 47123 Somewhat unusual to send a different 47 back on an excursion wasn’t it? It was common enough for there to be more than one excursion to the Kent Coast in a day, so maybe they got mixed up in Margate/Ramsgate or wherever they got watered and serviced? I’d like to have seen the lashup of 20 vehicles pulling into Faversham! Edited December 20, 2020 by eastwestdivide Extra bits 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Only a couple of workings mentioned in the 1973 editions of The Railway Magazine, but they do include two locos on the required list :- 1834 (47353) noted on an engineers train at London Bridge on 17/02/1973. 1505 (47406) worked a Hull to Hastings special as far as Ashford on 24/03/1973, train worked forward accross the marshes by a Cl.33. 1811 (47082) worked a Reading to Margate special on 26/06/1973. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/09/2020 at 23:15, keefer said: 1976 R.O. 19/06/76 47356(TO) [green livery] on High Wycombe-Margate. This was one of four Ercol Charter trains, each headed by cl.47s - one failed just before the return journey. The above specials also get a mention in the Railway Magazine (September 1976 edition) which states that the four Ercol specials on 19/06/1976 were worked by 47108, 47178, 47475 & 47488, so one of the reports is incorrect unless perhaps one of these is the failed loco. Other 47's to get a mention in 1976 editions of the Railway Magazine were :- 47354 piloting 45112 through Clapham Junction on a Northfleet coal train on 24/10/1975 47076 noted at Hoo Junion on 11/02/1976 47293 worked a Mexborough to Herne Bay special on 15/05/1976 Going back a bit, 1970 editions of the Railway Magazine mention the following :- 1577 noted at Hither Green Depot on 16/11/1969 1670 worked a return Cardiff to Dover Mystex on 21/06/1970, photo of the train passing Sandling appears on pg.531 of the September 1970 edition. 1999 was noted passing Maidstone West light engine in the direction of Strood on 16/07/1970 1665 worked a 1Z61 Cardiff to Margate special on 19/07/1970 1762 worked a 1Z62 Rhymney to Margate special on 19/07/1970 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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