LNER4479 Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 So, basically, more or less anything apart from the (Stanier) Pacifics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, 65179 said: A B17 would have been anything but fun for the crews given their roughriding, but wasn't it B1 61251 used for the trials? A Beyer-Garratt was tried once over the Peak. Presumably the only time one went north of Rowsley that way. It didn't do a lot for its brakes on the way down! Simon Yes, the Peak route was just a bit too steep at 1-in-90 for their rather dodgy brakes. They did however work into Gowhole yard from Hasland (Chesterfield) using the easier-graded Hope Valley route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted September 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 12/09/2020 at 21:03, LNER4479 said: Yes, the Peak route was just a bit too steep at 1-in-90 for their rather dodgy brakes. They did however work into Gowhole yard from Hasland (Chesterfield) using the easier-graded Hope Valley route. I will happily bow to those with more knowledge on the matter, but I'm sure that I've seen a picture of at least one LMS Beyer Garratt heading south somewhere between Matlock and Ambergate, possibly on a delivery run. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted September 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, figworthy said: I will happily bow to those with more knowledge on the matter, but I'm sure that I've seen a picture of at least one LMS Beyer Garratt heading south somewhere between Matlock and Ambergate, possibly on a delivery run. Adrian They worked routinely from Rowsley Yard southwards. Rowsley was their northern limit over the Peak route whilst as LNER4479 notes they made it as far as Gowhole via the Dore & Totley route (on Avenue to Gowhole workings particularly). Simon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2020 Derbyshire Yeomanry (unrebuilt Patriot) appeared at Chapel...once. Rebuilt Pats were few and far between (few sightings of one at Chapel..no photos as ywr. Beyer Garrats..no for Chapel (and yes I ha e a Ks one), careful with Brits as they did appear but damaged themselves and the track.. Mainly Jubilees then Scots on expresses, lots of 4Fs and 8Fs, a few 9Fs but it depends on the date you want to Mode Blue Pullman can be used to narrow the dates down..which affects the loco list. We have Ivatt 2MT te der locos. The Ivatt 4 MT lMoguls were camera shy.. Get a Jubilee and rename it "Seahorse" used a lot on the Palatine... Hours of endless fun can be done.. Hymeks on delivery Claytons on test, the LMS Twin diesels.. someone did say they also saw an NBL Warship on delivery but no photo located.. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Hi. As 65179 said we did put together a list. I also have started the task of going through all my books in the peak line and ‘spotting’ what I saw. It’s a work in progress but I’m happy to send the file if you on me your email. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Barry O said: Derbyshire Yeomanry (unrebuilt Patriot) appeared at Chapel...once. Rebuilt Pats were few and far between (few sightings of one at Chapel..no photos as ywr. Beyer Garrats..no for Chapel (and yes I ha e a Ks one), careful with Brits as they did appear but damaged themselves and the track.. Mainly Jubilees then Scots on expresses, lots of 4Fs and 8Fs, a few 9Fs but it depends on the date you want to Mode Blue Pullman can be used to narrow the dates down..which affects the loco list. We have Ivatt 2MT te der locos. The Ivatt 4 MT lMoguls were camera shy.. Get a Jubilee and rename it "Seahorse" used a lot on the Palatine... Hours of endless fun can be done.. Hymeks on delivery Claytons on test, the LMS Twin diesels.. someone did say they also saw an NBL Warship on delivery but no photo located.. Baz Seahorse was a regular on the 'Buxton Club train' in 1965 and possibly late '64. The 5.22pm from Central to Buxton Midland. Effectively the Jubilees' last hurrah over the Peak. At that point it was on loan to Trafford Park from Newton Heath. It was thus there too late to be a regular on the Palatine which was a diseasel turn by that point. It's so well photographed though that you'd think it was associated with the Peak forever! A list of representative Jubilees would be fairly static for 1948-1956, but then there was a lot of movement. 45618 is hard to beat for a consistent performer - associated with the line from 1934-1961. There are more photos of Derbyshire Yeomanry in the area than you'd think as well! 45518 Bradshaw's appearance was a bit random though. Rebuilt Patriots are perhaps easier to justify at Chinley on holiday traffic, but some were allocated to 9E or 14B for a while. 45522 (can't find it now but there is a photo of it on its way to Buxton somewhere) at Kentish Town in 1959-61 and 45540 at Trafford Park in 1961 for example. Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 There is a pic of Prestatyn at Chinley North Junction - that's the 'famous' pic. I think it's in the Foxline books... It's also interesting to see how many Longsight engines got over the line... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2020 Try .. 45557 New Brunswick (Fowler Tender but also fitted with a Stanier tender)). 45612 Jamaica (Fowler Tender), - Kentish Town locos were used a lot on London to Manchester Central expresses) decrostied Crosti 9F, Scots.. I have looked for rebuilt Patriots and Unrebuilt Patriots in the Peak - but few photos despite looking for more than Derbyshire Yeomanry and Prestatyn. Of course you can use Co Bos and the "Fell" as well. Stanier 2Ps and Fowler 2-6-4 Tanks on passenger services from Buxton north via Chapel.. Be careful with the Jubilees though. The tenders were swapped about at various times.. For some reason I got "Sea Horse " in my list but maybe that is because of a member from that area on RMWeb? @seahorse can you help with this one? Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted September 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Whenever someone mentions 45612 I always think of this photo (http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/m/millers_dale/index39.shtml - better reproduced versions appear elsewhere) of it coming through Millers Dale station with high sided Fowler tender much in evidence. I have 3 photos of 45509 working over the Peak; all on different days judging by the condition of the loco including a colour shot in the Heyday of Steam Around Manchester showing it crossing Marple Wharf Viaduct. I've not gone looking for rebuilt Patriots, but can only think of 3 photos off the top of my head. I'm not sure what that demonstrates though as it's my perception that the relevant 1959-1961 period is less well covered photographically than 1952-1955 and the end of steam. Simon Edited September 16, 2020 by 65179 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahorse Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Thanks for pointing me to this layout thread - another one to follow! The best sources are the photos of E. R. Morten and H Towneley - they went out together and often appear in each other's photos. The collection is widely available in Foxline books. Another good source is Trains Illustrated. There are a number of Groups on Facebook - Manchester, Derbyshire, Rowsley-Chinley for photos of local lines I was put out to find that 45712 Victory had a Fowler tender - we modelled it with a Stanier tender. Somewhere I have some spotting notes - a highlight was 70015 Apollo piloted by compound 40907 on consecutive days 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 Re 'Seahorse', my Dad worked in the South Manchester area in the 1960s and his drive to and from work timed perfectly with 'Seahorse's working on the Buxton commuter train, the inbound working being 8am off Buxton. He had his cine camera in the car and would often allow time to see / film the train on his way to and from work. Most of this was in the Cheadle Heath area (where the train called) but on occasions he ventured further including one evening to Buxton to capture the train arriving and the loco subsequently being disposed of on Buxton shed. For anyone interested, this footage is available through the Railfilms collection. Originally produced as a four volume VHS set (the 'Seahorse' sequence was on Vol.2), there's now a combined DVD which says it includes the 'Seahorse' sequence (I haven't seen it myself), available here: https://www.telerail.co.uk/railway-dvds-railfilms-titles/the-roger-nicholas-collection/steam-in-retrospect-revisited It's edited so as to feature the morning inbound train, followed by the 'famous' 1722 evening train, first featuring departure shots from Cheadle Heath, then progressively along the line before the final arrival shots at Buxton. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph benjamin Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I'm impressed this looks to be an interesting layout. The Hymeks had to pass an acceptance test hauling 10 carriages from BP to Derby and back. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2020 Clayton Type 1s were tested on the line..and had a lot of problems.. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph benjamin Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Then the rebuilt midland compound 1000 ran through Peak Forest on 21 September 1959 with and engineers saloon M932. This will have been a running turn Derby, Chinley, Derby. The prototype Deltic ran light engine to Derby, presumably for inspection before entering service, no date but remembered by a signalman. A vast amount of motive power ran over the route but sorry no Duchesses. The one thing I miss is the excellent O gauge model of Monsal viaduct and Millers Dale that was in Matlock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post apbolton Posted September 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2020 OK I thought it was time I posted something on this thread. As Graham has already hinted I've spent a fair bit of time in lockdown working on some of the buildings for the layout. Some in the posted pictures aren't complete yet but I thought I would share a couple that are. The first build was the signal box, to be truthful I actually started it last year but wasn't happy with the results so started again. The walls are cut out using a Silhouette Cutter I use it to scribe the planking and door and window openings which are then cut out by hand. Each wall is then detailed by overlaying the framework using the scribed lines as a guide. This picture shows the completed structure. The windows are etched from No Nonsense Kits the stairs are Ratio. The interior is detailed using 2 sets of the Ratio Interior Kit. Although the box actually stands with its back to the operator position on the layout! so you can't see it, I know it's there. Finally the finished article I am pleased with the result. Next time we start on the buildings for platform 1 there's 5 of them in total but only 2 are finished so far. 17 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbolton Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 In lockdown I spent many an hour researching and I came across a dyeline print on the Midland Railway web site showing all of the station area dated 1906. What was particular useful was the notes someone had added in pencil, giving a wealth of information including the signs on the goods shed. So I set about building it from 30thou plasticard. The Silcocks sign was done by Sankey Scenics as a bespoke enlargement from their wagon labels. 7 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbolton Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Latest addition to the fleet, what can I say Millers Dale has to have a Midland Pulman doesn't it . 16 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 The Midland Pullman crossing Monsal Dale viaduct - only one word for that: Iconic. (and that's from someone who is a die-hard steam fan) Great stuff! 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted October 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 19, 2020 Hi Paul, just seen this and good to see another Peak line layout. We'll soon have to have our own section!! Hope all is well with you and yours, seems ages since we caught up at Hartlepool show. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbolton Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 A couple of weeks ago, I had a free day, my wife was called into work, so not wishing to waste an opportunity I set about some landscaping work around Monsal Head, I first cut up a sheet polystyrene insulation left over from the interior build, I'm a Yorkshire man, we don't like to waste our money you know. I glued it down with a hot glue gun and cut it to shape. What you can't see from the photo is the 3 inches of bits of polystyrene I an wading through took me an hour to hoover it all up! Then I added 2 layers of plaster bandage and left it to dry for a few days. Once it was dry I covered it in a mix of cheap polyfiller from the pound shop and brown acrylic paint. Yesterday I did the same with the other side including the first bit of chicken wire wok on the hill side, next week it will be covered with earth to match. 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Looking good - a good day spent! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 16/09/2020 at 17:27, joseph benjamin said: I'm impressed this looks to be an interesting layout. The Hymeks had to pass an acceptance test hauling 10 carriages from BP to Derby and back. Another point to add interest is that a lot of the Hymeks on acceptance tests were in pink primer paint. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted November 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2020 Some nice work there, Paul. I didn't envy you cutting up those Wills' sheets for the viaduct but they do look the part and a change from the usual Slaters. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbolton Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Thanks Jonathan, I actually made a card templates for each piece and cut the Wills sheet with a coping saw ,very carefully. It is not finished yet a few bits still to add but it won't be long before I can paint it. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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