fozzy280472 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hi chaps ,ive been wondering for a while why on the Tri-ang/lima/Bachmann mk1 ck coaches, one of the second class standard size windows seems to have a secondary inner frame, ive looked at photos of the real things but it seems that not all coaches have them and the ones that do seem less pronounced than on the models. Can anyone enlighten me on what this secondary frame was for ? regards Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 It was a special window that could be opened to allow a person on a stretcher to be passed in. Only on Mk1 composite coaches. Regards Mark Humphrys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzy280472 Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 Wow Mark , that was quick !!!! Now you,ve told me it seems so obvious. thanks for that mate , regards Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I've got a slide of the inside of one on a Bristol - Portsmouth train in 1986 but my Dad has got his scanner back at the moment so I've no way of posting the pic. There were two large metal handles on either side of the window on the inside, similar to the swivel ones you see on double glazed house windows. I can't remember much more about it - don't know how they stopped the drafts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
multiprinter Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Many of these were eventually replaced by standard windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzy280472 Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 Flood , it would be very interesting to see that picture if when you get the chance you can put it on for us , cheers for the reply , paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted March 13, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2011 can't be exact cos i can't get to my copy, but the parkin mk1 book supplement details the minutes of the carriage design committee(?) there are several mentions of the 'stretcher' windows, mainly dealing with how to get/keep them fully watertight. IIRC there's a request from BR just to get rid, due to being more bother than they were worth, but they were overruled by the ministry of health, who insisted that they be provided. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Later Mark I coaches with aluminium window frames had a less obvious stretcher window, but it is still present. See the middle second class compartment on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Bird Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 There were also two hooks projecting from the luggage racks to which the window could be fixed while loading a stretcher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I have also heard it called a "coffin window"!! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulH37 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Page 82 of the book British Railways Mark 1 coaches by Keith Parkin has a photograph of a stretcher window being demonstrated. Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzy280472 Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Thanks to everyone whos replied ,there sure were some variations on them mk1s !!!! cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkitt Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Why were stretcher windows considered necessary? Was transport of patients by train a regular occurrence when Mk1s were designed, or was it provided as some sort of contingency plan? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted March 16, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2011 unless it had something to do with a higher incidence of diseases like TB in them days? i'm sure theres a mention of sign which explains that a compt. was locked out of use until it had been disinfected. makes sense if someone is contagious, to have them in a compt., but only one compt. in one type of vehicle does seem odd. a perhaps not-that-common occurence for which provision was (or had to be) made? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
multiprinter Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Why were stretcher windows considered necessary? Was transport of patients by train a regular occurrence when Mk1s were designed, or was it provided as some sort of contingency plan? Paul Would you have fancied a long distance road journey in the back of an ambulance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brake Compo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 A couple of points that have yet to be noted the curious window arrangement on the corridor side of Mk1 CKs was to enable a door to be placed adjacent to the stretcher compartment, for loading unloading and unloading stretchers from the corridor side; and don't expect to see a stretcher window on all surviving Mk1 CKs: leaking stretcher windows were one of the sources of corrosion in these coaches and they have been eliminated in some surviving coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted March 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2011 re: point 1 good spot! i think everyone's automatically focussed on the compt. side. to be fair, i've never considered why the corridor side windows were so 'weird', with those half-windows the SR seem to like so much! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Brake Compo wrote the curious window arrangement on the corridor side of Mk1 CKs was to enable a door to be placed adjacent to the stretcher compartment, for loading unloading and unloading stretchers from the corridor side; and don't expect to see a stretcher window on all surviving Mk1 CKs: leaking stretcher windows were one of the sources of corrosion in these coaches and they have been eliminated in some surviving coaches. The Motor Brake Seconds on the Trans-Pennine units had the same arrangement for carrying stretchers in the third compartment up from the toilet end. It also now explains the weird door arrangement on the corridor side of these vehicles. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Why did they find it so hard to make a watertight opening window? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28XX Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Would you have fancied a long distance road journey in the back of an ambulance? with no motorways, few dual carriageways, bypasses or ringroads. Even in the early '60's the journey from Worcester to my granny's in Cheshire, 93 miles, took 4 hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2011 I once had the "misfortune" to be in a stretcher window fitted coach on a railtour............. What we got up to wouldn't be allowed these days. Cheers, Mick p.s. What we got up to, I wouldn't even attempt it these days - I am a few (30 or so) years older now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Found this image of the interior of the stretcher compartment. http://www.flickr.co...009/5888641136/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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