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........Likewise with the Class 185 Desiro, Bachmann will nodoubt get around to this within the next 5 years. .......

.....a 185. love em! Id certainly have a mini fleet of the models. But as Bachmann have the Class 350 coming up and there are only two possiable liveries. ...........a pretty certain model for Bachmann in the future?

Whilst anything's possible in future years, especially if manufacturers start scratching for the diminishing number of prototypes not yet covered, there's no "certainty" that a Bachmann Class 185 will follow a Class 350.

 

Because of the significant differences between these two members of the Desiro family, the Class 185 will require completely different tooling, as if it was any other completely new model.

It would require a new bodyshell (it's longer, with different window and door spacing), a new longer roof, new non-gangway ends, a new cast chassis and new underfloor equipment (due to there being a diesel engine, fuel tanks and other diesel'y type paraphernalia under there).

In fact there's probably very little that can be used from a Class 350 other than (possibly?) any licensing arrangements from Seimens, if indeed the current arrangements allow for that?

 

I'm not saying that Bachmann won't do the 185, but it's worth pointing out that it's not just a follow on from the 350 and would have to be almost a completely new model.

 

I agree that it's more likely RealTrack will stick to more niche subjects and I can't see HornBachJanPol doing something like a Coradia/Juniper just yet. The problem with doing 4, 5 and 6 car MU's is the cost. Maybe Charlie can enlighten us on how "do-able" such units are for "small operators", so to speak?

 

 

 

 

 

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Having read through this, from a personal point of view I would love to see the Swindon 120s, many a trip taken on them from Derby to Crewe, Nottingham and Matlock. Good scope for operating areas, as they were also operating from Ayr.

 

I'd go with this one as well. Commercially it would make sense with a huge catchment area, Penzance to Aberdeen and Inverness; Aberystwyth to Gt Yarmouth and Skegness.

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As someone further up mentioned, it would seem sensible to stick to a specific subject and produce a number of different models. For example, the FLA is a cracking model so why not follow it up with some of the EWS types? FAA, FKA etc. All to be scaled down to N preferably!

 

As for a unit/loco, thats more difficult. Getting the right prototype which allows maximum liveries (sales), a good geographic spread and as wide a timespan as possible won't be easy (or please everyone).

 

Th big manufacturers are hoovering up all the remaining subjects at an alarming rate so there won't be too much left in the unit/loco market that will be financially viable for Charlie and Arran. Whereas stock to hang behind the locos isn't quite as abundant.

 

Personally, I get a bit frustrated at the lack of modern intermodal wagons in N so would like to see a few more intoduced ie. FLA, KQA(pocket wagon), FAA, FCA & FSA. (Guess here my interests lie!)

 

Whatever they choose to do, I am sure it will be well researched and well produced- I had a good look at some of the recent C-Rail containers (reefers) and they are superb! Good luck to them.

 

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Eddie

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Ok one more suggestion from me! But be warned, it is out there, so i duck my head and run as i press post!

If the rumours are true and Direct Rail Services are indeed going to order 20 Vossloh Eurolight 4000s, then perhaps there could be a wise subtle move here ;)

Like Bachmann getting the exclusive rights for the GE Class 70, perhaps some early networking with Vossloh and DRS could land you with the exclusive rights to produce a model of the Eurolight 4000 if the contract between DRS and Vossloh is ever signed? Could be a clever move?

 

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Ok one more suggestion from me! But be warned, it is out there, so i duck my head and run as i press post!

If the rumours are true and Direct Rail Services are indeed going to order 20 Vossloh Eurolight 4000s, then perhaps there could be a wise subtle move here ;)

Like Bachmann getting the exclusive rights for the GE Class 70, perhaps some early networking with Vossloh and DRS could land you with the exclusive rights to produce a model of the Eurolight 4000 if the contract between DRS and Vossloh is ever signed? Could be a clever move?

 

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Picture reference to: Martin22200 (2011) "themessroom.co.uk"

 

 

This looks to be a most interesting development, as far as I know there are other UK operators looking at these as well........does anyone know who else ?

 

Imagine one of these in DB Schenker red !!!

 

I'm going to be brave and suggest that the livery 'variations' on UK trains now is beyond the point of daft, in that they change so frequently in such a short space of time.

 

Is this still such a consideration for model manufacturers considering new products, as in no time at all it is highly likely that the original livery will change and thus provide the potential for alternative production runs/income.

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

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...as far as I know there are other UK operators looking at these as well........does anyone know who else ?...

 

 

I have read rumours that GBRf are interested too! Europorte has just bought a few of the bigger Euro 4000s. But the UK MD of GBRf has been on record saying the Vossloh Eurolight 4000 is more interesting to GBRf than the GE Class 70! The Eurolight 4000 has certainly had its designs moderfied by Vossloh for UK Loading Gauge. Chatter is that DRS order is likely...thus what a cracking locomotive for RealTrack Models to get their teeth into?!

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My vote goes to the 175/180 proposal. Plenty of livery choices, and wide geographical spread.

 

Also a 180, particularly has the advantage of being a full size intercity formation, but without being as long as an eg, 2+8 HST. I would have thought the market and financials for 180s would be pretty similar to the 220/221 models already on the market.

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Class 90 (the Hornby model is very outdated)

Only spec wise - it's a decently proportioned and accurate model so if you want a 90 it's a great place to start. I think there's more mileage in other prototypes for a smaller company.

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Only spec wise - it's a decently proportioned and accurate model so if you want a 90 it's a great place to start. I think there's more mileage in other prototypes for a smaller company.

 

Hornby have improved it by adding new motor and a dcc socket but it's still outdated compared to more recent offerings.

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Only spec wise - it's a decently proportioned and accurate model so if you want a 90 it's a great place to start. I think there's more mileage in other prototypes for a smaller company.

 

I dunno, the large bodyside grills are very wrong, silhouette is ok though.

 

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Jim

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Steam:-

A J50 for me. The only worry is its quite a long time since any new LNER small shunters have been made, and it would be a mighty blow if Hornby for example were to update the Lima one just after you commit to doing one.

Diesel:-

Class 05 would be a good choice. Very distinctive looking, and I don't see any of the big boys jumping on this to readily.

Jim

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Diesel:-

Class 05 would be a good choice. Very distinctive looking, and I don't see any of the big boys jumping on this to readily.

Jim

 

 

I was only looking for the A1 models class 05 kit the other day, so, yeah, I'd be in for that one too. As for DMU's if the Trans Pennine is not an option, I'd settle for a 120......

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Hi all,

 

Myself I would like to see the Class 59 that has been talked about on hear in all its incarnations Foster Yeoman, ARC, National Power and EWS, Also we have the HTA and HHA bogie coal hopper wagons operated by DBS and Freightliner Heavy Haul so why not follow it up with the former Natioanl Power JHA and JMA wagons that would be of benefit to people wishing to both model Stone and Coal Trains I know Dapol are doing a HIA Stone Hopper it would be nice to see the small HXA coal hopper being done.

 

At the moment there we are spoilt for choice with various open wagons and vans like VDAVAA/VGA along with the Cargo Waggon that Hejian do but there is one wagon that has been missed and that is the F2 type that has recently been withdrawn these wagons could be found on many block workings and many Speedlink and Enterprise trips and I think they would be a hit.

 

On the DMU/EMU front I agree with the gent who posted before about wanting some pressed steel DMU's it would be good to see 115/116/117/118 units knocking around in all the different liveries that they carried be nice just to see them in NSE livery I think as well the TPE 185 and electro stars would be a sell out as well.

 

The line side furniture nice one great idea would love to see some signals colour light and semaphore along with different types like Creep signals that you find in colliery's and power stations along with all sorts of line side signs, tpws grids that sort of thing I think is a cracking idea.

 

Well that's my 2pennith worth.....................

 

Hi all,

 

Myself I would like to see the Class 59 that has been talked about on hear in all its incarnations Foster Yeoman, ARC, National Power and EWS, Also we have the HTA and HHA bogie coal hopper wagons operated by DBS and Freightliner Heavy Haul so why not follow it up with the former Natioanl Power JHA and JMA wagons that would be of benefit to people wishing to both model Stone and Coal Trains I know Dapol are doing a HIA Stone Hopper it would be nice to see the small HXA coal hopper being done.

 

At the moment there we are spoilt for choice with various open wagons and vans like VDAVAA/VGA along with the Cargo Waggon that Hejian do but there is one wagon that has been missed and that is the F2 type that has recently been withdrawn these wagons could be found on many block workings and many Speedlink and Enterprise trips and I think they would be a hit.

 

On the DMU/EMU front I agree with the gent who posted before about wanting some pressed steel DMU's it would be good to see 115/116/117/118 units knocking around in all the different liveries that they carried be nice just to see them in NSE livery I think as well the TPE 185 and electro stars would be a sell out as well.

 

The line side furniture nice one great idea would love to see some signals colour light and semaphore along with different types like Creep signals that you find in colliery's and power stations along with all sorts of line side signs, tpws grids that sort of thing I think is a cracking idea.

 

Well that's my 2pennith worth.....................

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I agree that it's more likely RealTrack will stick to more niche subjects and I can't see HornBachJanPol doing something like a Coradia/Juniper just yet. The problem with doing 4, 5 and 6 car MU's is the cost. Maybe Charlie can enlighten us on how "do-able" such units are for "small operators", so to speak?

 

I *think* the Coradia/Adelante would share many components - from a (purely cursory) look the 175 and 180 appear to share centre cars and what in model terms would be the rolling platform/mech, with just a different driving car body.

 

If that theory holds up it would be just three bodies (inner car, 175 driving, 180 driving) plus one chassis in powered/dummy versions and all three variants of the 175/180s can be done, if so that's an easy win in my book with loads of liveries (including Grand Central's which is just gorgeous!) and covering ops from London to Llandudno, Penzance to Preston and Seaham to Swansea... ;)

 

I think the OTP suggestions are good, but I wouldn't want to guess what the market is like. A modern Plasser tamper would give you lots of liveries if you picked the right one, a 'leftfield' suggestion would be a stoneblower (at least 2 liveries, but both yellow!) or one of the cute Harsco grinders (a 2-unit train but I think both cars are the same - only one livery though...)

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