cctransuk Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 An interesting subject behind the loco ! Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 It looks like an ex-GW Bullion Van, and that is as far as I can venture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 It looks like an ex-GW Bullion Van, and that is as far as I can venture. Quite right - Diagram M17 I believe. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Another one here, Mr Christie has some lovely shots: http://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6404229321/in/set-72157626818480878 I think that's one of the LMS 42 footers like the Lima one, but with the higher roof? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Another one here, Mr Christie has some lovely shots: http://www.flickr.co...157626818480878 I think that's one of the LMS 42 footers like the Lima one, but with the higher roof? I've heard these described as 'Aeroplane Vans'; I wonder if they were ever used as such? The other vehicle looks like a Hawkesworth BG. Regarding the Bullion Van (an odd vehicle, with doors only on one side IIRC); I had heard that the van was unloaded and loaded at a siding with the tunnel south of Snow Hill- is this correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 Another one here, Mr Christie has some lovely shots: http://www.flickr.co...157626818480878 I think that's one of the LMS 42 footers like the Lima one, but with the higher roof? .... and quite easy to model as a consequence; (now how would I know that)?!? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Ha! Just been musing on that very prospect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2012 I've heard these described as 'Aeroplane Vans'; I wonder if they were ever used as such? The other vehicle looks like a Hawkesworth BG. Regarding the Bullion Van (an odd vehicle, with doors only on one side IIRC); I had heard that the van was unloaded and loaded at a siding with the tunnel south of Snow Hill- is this correct? Yes, that's correct. I remember seeing it on several occasions. Always knew it was coming because of the Constable riding on the Station Pilot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Another one here, Mr Christie has some lovely shots: http://www.flickr.co...157626818480878 I think that's one of the LMS 42 footers like the Lima one, but with the higher roof? I think its just the flatter roof profile and curved down ends on the Hawksworth BG making it look higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Another one here, Mr Christie has some lovely shots: http://www.flickr.co...157626818480878 I think that's one of the LMS 42 footers like the Lima one, but with the higher roof? I think its just the flatter roof profile and curved down ends on the Hawksworth BG making it look higher. I'll go for the high roof version, the standard lower roof vans had roof vents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 10 Built 1938 to D2023 "Suitable for aeroplane traffic" Built to max loading guage 13' 00" Note on diagram "wheels not exceed 3'6" on tread" Withdrawn 1965-1967 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Are the three pairs of door hinges diagnostic one way or the other ? The CCT pics on Paul's site all show two pairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'll go for the high roof version, the standard lower roof vans had roof vents. Yes, without digging out my NPCS volume of Essery & Jenkinson and relying on the highly scientific method ( !) of holding a Lima LMS 42' van at a similar angle to the one in the pic, the arc of the roof looks to be very different- the roof of the bog standard van appears to have a much flatter curve than the 'aeroplane' version It's a conversion I pondered a few years back but never actually got round to doing anything about beyond picking up a secondhand Lima example at the next exhibition I went to... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Quite right - Diagram M17 I believe. Regards, John Isherwood. A not very good photo of one here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrnpccs/e2a704729 At the time, I hadn't a clue what it was, just knew it was unusual. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 A not very good photo of one here http://PaulBartlett....npccs/e2a704729 At the time, I hadn't a clue what it was, just knew it was unusual. Paul Bartlett It lasted quite late- was it one of the last Dean-era vehicles to survive in Revenue stock, I wonder? There's another photo in the relevant Cheona Press book . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 It lasted quite late- was it one of the last Dean-era vehicles to survive in Revenue stock, I wonder? There's another photo in the relevant Cheona Press book . According to the RCTS coaching stock book the Mark 1 Bullions http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmark1/e3ee05fa4 were converted in 1965-6. I would assume they replaced this van. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I think its just the flatter roof profile and curved down ends on the Hawksworth BG making it look higher. I wasnt misled by that, Lloyd. The Hawksworth was the last thing I looked at, the goods brake was the first. Oh and I believe there's an engine there somewhere as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2012 According to the RCTS coaching stock book the Mark 1 Bullions http://PaulBartlett....mark1/e3ee05fa4 were converted in 1965-6. I would assume they replaced this van. Paul Bartlett The GW type 'noil vans' *as they were known to those dealing with them internally (presumably a security description) were still in traffic in the late summer of 1965 and there were at that time a couple running regularly on Class 1 services between London and Bristol for gold bullion moving via Avonmouth Docks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The GW type 'noil vans' *as they were known to those dealing with them internally (presumably a security description) were still in traffic in the late summer of 1965 and there were at that time a couple running regularly on Class 1 services between London and Bristol for gold bullion moving via Avonmouth Docks. My photograph is from January 1967! I wasn't suggesting these vans had stopped being used earlier than that. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I wasnt misled by that, Lloyd. The Hawksworth was the last thing I looked at, the goods brake was the first. Oh and I believe there's an engine there somewhere as well I've never seen one of those tall ones before. Still, you live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 This is interesting for 1964, behind the Brit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6014122278/in/set-72157625418636168 I have half an idea of its origin, but I'm not going to embarass myself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 This is interesting for 1964, behind the Brit: http://www.flickr.co...157625418636168 I have half an idea of its origin, but I'm not going to embarass myself Yeah - I noticed that during my wanderings! I'll only stick my neck out far enough to tentatively suggest LNWR? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Interesting indeed! It looks not unlike the vehicle seen on the "Set No. 716" page of Southern Coaches in Colour by Michael Welch. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I'll only stick my neck out far enough to tentatively suggest LNWR? Yep, see p47 of Historic Carriage Drawings Vol3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Yep, see p47 of Historic Carriage Drawings Vol3 Which I now remember I have a copy of Like John I thought LNWR, for those without the book it's a 6w combination truck and almost 50 years old at the time of the pic. Any kits Bill, do you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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