Ye Olde Triang/Hornby R118 Bogie Well Wagon

[BernardTPM]

That was the 'Strike Force' set which was in fact single axle lowmac wagons. I suspect has the R118 moulding been available still this is the sort of set it would have made an appearance in though.

It was an earlier set, though I was wrong about the Hummers - 1983 Task Force Action Set - the sand coloured well wagon had a tank that fired a giant yellow ball - I think the tank used to use missiles in the '60s!

[halfwit]

By the way, Cambrian seel the bogies of their kits seperately. Do they come with the mountings and bolt/nuts by any chance or are they just the mouldings?

 

Yes, but, me being me, I didn't use them.

A length of 4.8mm dia. tube was glued into the pivot hole, followed by a 3.5mm screw with the head cut off. The hole on top of the deck was filled with a piece of plasticard cut roughly to shape and any gaps filled.

 

 

(Weight is a mixture of aquarium plant weight, turning tool tips and liquid lead).

 

Bogie in place;

 

 

(More plant weight inside bogie frames).

[hmrspaul]

BR steel Medfit - Parkside do an accurate kit I think

 

The TT Medfit was in fact scale - and can be reworked with a proper kitbuilt chassis from the 3mm Society

 

This is the prototype. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmedfitsteel

 

Paul Bartlett

[John M Upton]

The prototype refurbished well wagon has now emerged in Civil Link 'Dutch' livery:

 

The bogies are Cambrian ones with Bachmann couplings added and Romford 10.5mm wheels whilst the markings have come from the former Cambrian sheet now produced my Modelmasters so that number should actually be on a ZAA wagon!!

 

Overall quite pleased with how it came out for a cheap project, so much so I have a second one now on the workbench destined for EWS livery!!

[Crompton48]

I have been given two six wheel bogie wagons from the battle force range one had a search light on it dont know what to do with these are the a freelance design from tri-ang i have removed the couplings and wheels as i have a diesel MPD layout they could be used to carry around power units .

[jonhall]

I have been given two six wheel bogie wagons from the battle force range one had a search light on it dont know what to do with these are the a freelance design from tri-ang i have removed the couplings and wheels as i have a diesel MPD layout they could be used to carry around power units .

 

The 12 wheel triang well wagons are Trestrols, and apart from being a bit short, they are quite nice models, IIRC there were a couple of LMS versions, a couple of LNER the same, and then BR built some more (4 perhaps? ). If you take the searchlight equipment off the wagon you will discover that Triang modified the bed of the well to allow pickups for the light, but you can still use these to cut and shut the good bits of the wagon together.

 

I on the otherhand, took the bad bits and used them to cut&shut, because mine had some bodywork on - the good bits then went to someone else to make 'real' Trestrols.

 

 

Jon

[Lyddrail]

I assume the model is similar to this wagon used by the Power Supply department. It's sister wagon remained at Paddock Wood till at least 10th July 2000 when I last photographed it.

 

 

 

My friend converted the model and I scratched the transformer load. I can't find a pic of the model at the monment.

 

Cheers.

[Crompton48]

The 12 wheel triang well wagons are Trestrols, and apart from being a bit short, they are quite nice models, IIRC there were a couple of LMS versions, a couple of LNER the same, and then BR built some more (4 perhaps? ). If you take the searchlight equipment off the wagon you will discover that Triang modified the bed of the well to allow pickups for the light, but you can still use these to cut and shut the good bits of the wagon together.

 

I on the otherhand, took the bad bits and used them to cut&shut, because mine had some bodywork on - the good bits then went to someone else to make 'real' Trestrols.

 

 

Jon

 

 

Thanks i have one thats modified and the other one has a raised ridge down the center .

[jonhall]

Thanks i have one thats modified and the other one has a raised ridge down the center .

 

The raised ridge down the center is right, and IIRC the modified version has a box only at one end, so you do have enough bits to extend one.

 

Jon

[hmrspaul]

I've kept away from this topic, but Specially constructed wagons are my specialism so.

 

I have never managed to find anything which is the same as the Tri-ang short Weltrol. It seems to be based on LMS principles, but I have the full diagram book and there is nothing in there which has the same dimensions.

 

However, there was an interesting internal conversion at BSC Stanton see http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmspecial/e1a425fa2 (and a couple more photos alongside) which had the remains of the LMS BTZ code but it has been reduced in length by removal of part of the well. It ends up probably shorter than the Tri-ang one.

 

Paul Bartlett

PS the Cyclops is here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cyclopsresearch but the discussion of the Trestrol is just confusing this thread.

[Il Grifone]

The dimensions of the prototype never were a particular worry for Tri-ang. However the nearest seem to be drgs. 6188 &13/2570, 46' over headstocks, 25' well and with 5 vertical ribs like the Tri-ang model Code BTZ (later WELTROL MJ/MK) Load 40 tons distributed Nos 117556/7/9/62/4/8/71/75 (6188) built 1925 and 700308-11 (13/2570) built 1938. A metal floor is referred to, but the drawings show no floor ?? The only difference appears to be that the earlier wagons were 5" wider at 8' 8".

[Baby Deltic]

I recently bought an old Triang Weltrol MV and retro-fitted it with Cambrian plate frame bogies to the same pattern as the old ones:

 

[Ruffnut Thorston]

I recently bought an old Triang Weltrol MV and retro-fitted it with Cambrian plate frame bogies to the same pattern as the old ones:

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That wagon is the Hornby Dublo cast metal Weltrol. 1955-1964 (3-rail and 2-rail versions made.)

[robmills]

Here's my conversion of the Triang Weltrol to a (fictional) Flatrol MA. I carved away the cross girders, and substituted two heavy duty longitudinal girders. Changed the buffers, fitted loading shackles, and the bogies are from Parkside. When I find another one, I'll convert it to a more accurate rendition of a Weltrol by replacing the full height cross-members with lighter weight girders, which on the originals were moveable and not to bear the full weight of the load.

 

I wonder why none of the RTR manufacturers have fitted the longitudinal timber baulks to any of the weltrols/crocodiles released over the years.

 

 

The load is a Rosencombe Replicas Blaw Knox excavator - just posed on the wagon, I know it wouldn't travel like that! Dog of a kit, but looks good with a bit of effort, and is not as imposing as the Ruston-Bucyrus from BW Models or, now, Corgi.

 

Cheers

Rob

Edited April 12, 2012 by robmills

[gazmanjack]

As BR60103 stated about the release of this wagon in Canada came without buffers, the same applied to us in Australia. Two versions of this wagon (produced in England) came to Australia, both with plastic bogies, one coded as R118, the other R118/R213 which had a small crane attached. This was possibly released as a 'break down' wagon. Both models came in the regular mid green and strangely carried the same running number, 41917 !!

 

Another Weltrol wagon I have is an early release from Jouef (for Playcraft). This model looks to be much closer to HO scale, rather than OO. The stickers on the side of the wagon state : '35T B 900923 WELTROL' on the left hand end and 'TARE 25-3' on the other. This model carries an 'electrical capacitor' load on a formed (horizontal) timber floor. The wagon profile is different to Triangs as the well frame actually bends like an S shape rather than the heavily riveted square section,(although curved on the bottom) and is not open topped, (showing the frets).

 

Anyway, looking at what can be done with such an old item, I guess I'll have to get busy soon and update my models.

 

Cheers, Gary.

[Il Grifone]

This one? http://www.ebay.co.u...1#ht_2248wt_914

 

The Playcraft/Jouef range was H0 scale ('scale' is applied loosely). This item was almost certainly lifted from the Jouef French range (as was much of the range). I wonder what is supposed to stop the transformer in place on the wagon!

 

The timber baulks were probably too much trouble and are quite easy to make from stripwood.

Edited April 18, 2012 by Il Grifone

[gazmanjack]

Thanks II Grifone, exactly that particular model, although with the Hornby 'look-a-like' style of coupling. The wagon I have is in 'as new' condition. As a child I never really thought about tying the load down. This model has linkage points on the side of the well for attaching chains etc, and would look great weathered and chained. Just a pity it isn't really OO... but then again, if I ran it as a 'privately owned' wagon, I guess anything could be possible.

 

Cheers, Gary.

[Ruffnut Thorston]

On 18/04/2012 at 12:56, gazmanjack said:

As BR60103 stated about the release of this wagon in Canada came without buffers, the same applied to us in Australia. Two versions of this wagon (produced in England) came to Australia, both with plastic bogies, one coded as R118, the other R118/R213 which had a small crane attached. This was possibly released as a 'break down' wagon. Both models came in the regular mid green and strangely carried the same running number, 41917 !!

 

>SNIPPED

 

Cheers, Gary.

 

The "T.C. Series" or Transcontinental models had no buffers, but the holes were there for the Tri-ang cast metal buffers (Mounting, Shank and buffer head in one casting type.).

 

The well wagon was called the depressed centre car (or center?) in the TC range. There were two or three different numbers used on the DPC, usually with TC prefixes, though the "UK" numbers were also used...

 

The Crane Car had the crane from the R.127 crane wagon mounted in the well on a bolt. A bolster from the original bolster wagons (black plastic strip with two silver metal pins) was attached to the "far end" platform. The same basic model was in the Battle Space range as a Tank Recovery Car.

 

The DPC also came with loads.

One consisted of two (Tri-ang Minic sourced) large cable drums (two types). "Usually" this DPC was blue.

 

Another was a (Tri-ang Minic sourced) Low Loader Truck, which carries a Bulldozer load. (So a load on a load...)

 

The most common load using the UK version of the wagon with buffers carried a (Tri-ang Minic sourced) mobile crane, in various colours…

 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Ruffnut Thorston
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[gazmanjack]

The "T.C. Series" or Transcontinental models had no buffers, but the holes were there for the Tri-ang cast metal buffers (Mounting, Shank and buffer head in one casting type.).

 

The well wagon was called the depressed centre car (or center?) in the TC range. There were two or three different numbers used on the DPC, usually with TC prefixes, though the "UK" numbers were also used...

 

The Crane Car had the crane from the R.127 crane wagon mounted in the well on a bolt. A bolster from the original bolster wagons (black plastic strip with two silver metal pins) was attached to the "far end" platform. The same basic model was in the Battle Space range as a Tank Recovery Car.

 

The DPC also came with loads.

One of two (Tri-ang Minic sourced) large cable drums (two types). "Usually" this DPC was blue.

 

Another was a (Tri-ang Minic sourced) Low Loader Truck, which carries a Bulldozer load. (So a load on a load...)

 

 

Thanks Sarah,

 

I managed to locate my T.C. Series Weltrol wagon with crane (R127) included, coded R118 R213. As stated on an earlier post, this wagon came down under in the same livery as the R118 Weltrol. I'm just wondering if they were released as a set or singular...? I have also located another wagon which jonhall was referring to in another earlier post, the Triang 12 wheeler Trestrol EC, coded S5919 R242. Interesting wagon but really unsure what can be done with this wagon and or how these wagons were originally used. If anyone has information, apart what is on the Hornby Collectors Guide, I'm keen to hear about it.

 

Cheers again, Gary.

[Fat Controller]

There are a couple of books worth seeking out:-

The two volumes of 'BR Wagons, their loads and loading' by Silverlink, whose authors were BR Loads Inspectors, so lots of photos of 'Specials'

'Goods Wagons of the GWR and BR (WR)- their loads and loading' published by OPC.

The prototypes of the Playcraft wagon can still be seen today, carrying Caterpillar plant from a factory near Grenoble for export; I think a couple may have been 'ferry-fitted' in the past.

[Il Grifone]

The Tri-ang TRESTROL is too short by about one girder section in the well. A nearer scale version can be made from two wagons (I have acquired a 'Battle Space' rocket launcher as a donor) and maybe one day I'll start carving (It's not the most common - there were only four - or 'useful' vehicle, though certainly spectacular. The real wagon had a wooden structure to support large sheets of whatever (TREStle TROLley).

 

TRESTROL EC 55 ton 36 ft in the well* diagram 2//681 B901600 - 901603 built lot 2175 of 1950

 

Or you could build this http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cyclopsresearch

 

*If I understand correctly.

[Ruffnut Thorston]

Thanks Sarah,

 

I managed to locate my T.C. Series Weltrol wagon with crane (R127) included, coded R118 R213. As stated on an earlier post, this wagon came down under in the same livery as the R118 Weltrol. I'm just wondering if they were released as a set or singular...? I have also located another wagon which jonhall was referring to in another earlier post, the Triang 12 wheeler Trestrol EC, coded S5919 R242. Interesting wagon but really unsure what can be done with this wagon and or how these wagons were originally used. If anyone has information, apart what is on the Hornby Collectors Guide, I'm keen to hear about it.

 

Cheers again, Gary.

 

The T.C., Crane Car was a solo item, as was the Well Wagon or Depressed Centre Car.

 

The Weltrol is, as said above, for carrying large plates, usually Steel, which if laid flat would be "out of gauge" (or too wide). The timber trestle allowed the plates to be carried at an angle, digonally. And yes, the Tri-ang model is a bit short...

[RSLR]

Hi,

 

I have one of those old tri-ang wagons, how I ended up with it I do not know - unable to sell it or use it for spare parts, I never realy liked it much and I wasn't sure on the prototype. So I taken a page out of my 16mm book and done some freelance modelling. I put planks ontop the 'well' of the wagon, replaced all the moulded plasic rings with bent fuse wire ones, covered the holes on the axel boxes and finally given it a complete repaint - I think it looks better than what it did but anything was an improvment to what it was like. here's a few pics of my one:

 

It went from this

 

 

To this

 

 

Cheers

[Ruffnut Thorston]

Nice Job.

 

Your wagon is one of the "middle period" models. Originally it would have been fitted with metal Mk III Tension Lock couplings (Closed loop type).

 

The metal bogies place it in the 1959-C1962 period. (Before the change to plastic bogies, and pin-point axles.)

[rovex]

I've put a bid on Ebay for a triang r242 12 wheel well wagon.

Can anyone tell me about this wagon. Does it actually exist as s prototype?

 

Thanks

Rovex