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Use and old/secondhand coach and practice filling in windows etc. See further up thread for how to do the windows.

Old bodies can be picked up for a few £s from shops/exhibitions. Have a look in the baskets/boxes underneath the tables at shows.

 

Cheers,

Mick

Thanks for the advice, shall have a look around for coaches, I may even have some I can practise on. What type of MK2's are suitable?

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Thanks for the advice, shall have a look around for coaches, I may even have some I can practise on. What type of MK2's are suitable?

 

Depends on which one you want to do, but the vast majority of the Mk2 fleet can be made from the Airfix (Dapol/Hornby) Mk2 D TSO. The Lima Mk 2e/f  TSO is also good, but harder to find secondhand.

The BSO from the same Airfix stable is good for 9418/9516/9523 and advancing onto the RTOV (DBSO) 97xx later when you feel confident.

 

There are four that can be made from the Airfix FO. 1256, 977983, 99666, 977986.

 

Have fun.

 

Cheers,

Mick

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Thanks for the help, one last question, the test train that your currently making what coach numbers are they and what is there formation?

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Thanks for the help, one last question, the test train that your currently making what coach numbers are they and what is there formation?

test train formations vary week to week depending on what needs testing, my model test train comprises the SGT (structure gauging train) and dbso driving coach (which is a fairly simple conversion with the PH design kit) generator van (model rail mag ltd ed) and a 37

 

in my opinion the SGT (the one mick is doing 10000 times better than i ever will) is the simplest to start with if you want a 'basic' test train as you just need to paint one mk2 coach yellow and fill the windows on the other then also paint it yellow, oh and remove the gangways

 

the problem with yellow trains is once you make one its hard to stop as im sure mick will testify!

 

ive not got mentor, nmt, an mpv, radio survey coach, plp and a tru underway (lots of abbreviations with test trains too!)

 

see my thread also...

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/106497-big-jims-workbenchits-all-gone-a-bit-yellow/?p=2143511

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Recent additions to the yellow fleet are some ex. Great Western Motorail vans which I gather were converted GUVs. Some time ago I recall a kit being made, any idea where it can be found please.

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Thanks for the help, one last question, the test train that your currently making what coach numbers are they and what is there formation?

 

As Jim says, the formations vary a bit, but there are some that stay together for awhile.

One that passed me a couple of days ago. 9481/977997/72631/975091 for example.

 

Half the fun is researching the numbers.

www.departmentals.com is a good place to start, and once you've got a few numbers to go at, www.flickr.com

 

 

 

 

the problem with yellow trains is once you make one its hard to stop as im sure mick will testify!

 

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I started with two and now I've built a layout specially to run them on..........

 

Cheers,

Mick

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Recent additions to the yellow fleet are some ex. Great Western Motorail vans which I gather were converted GUVs. Some time ago I recall a kit being made, any idea where it can be found please.

 

I think Pete Harvey did a conversion kit for these: Although it is not showing on his website.

IIRC, the numbers are 96604-96606

 

Cheers,

Mick

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Recent additions to the yellow fleet are some ex. Great Western Motorail vans which I gather were converted GUVs. Some time ago I recall a kit being made, any idea where it can be found please.

I thought it was Model rail did them, rare as hens teeth now with no plans of a reissue according to dibber25, I may be wrong though

 

I wouldn't mind a couple of them myself

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9708 is a generator DBSO, a bit more work than a non genny fitted one but if your using a ph designs kit it's nice and simple (even though I made a mess of mine and did more work than I needed to coz I never read the instructions Pete sent!)

 

The SGT pair is nice and easy to do too

 

62384 is a very involved coach by the look of it, lots of odd sized windows and a roller shutter in one side

 

As it happens it was my train on Friday night (with an added motorail coach for brake force)

 

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The NMT project is finally underway. 

So far, I've paint stripped 6 Mk3s and 3 power cars - I will be doing the full set of NMT vehicles -  975984,977984,975814, 977993, 977994, 977995, 43013, 43014 and 43062.

 

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The Mk3s are multicoloured becausee of their varied original paintwork - varying from Virgin Pretendolino livery to Great Western Merlin

 

I have cunning plan for the nose on 43062.............

 

I'm using Hornby Mk3s due to their good availability, but some of them need Roevac air vents instead of the large rectangular plenum chambers.

 

Previously, I have cut out a few Roevacs from spare Airfix Mk2 shells for use on the DBSO/RTOVs, but in this case I've decided to order some 3D printed ones from Shapeways. Although there's 150 in the set, I'll start using them on the next batch of Mk2s I do - which may include a Cumbrian coast DRS set..........

https://www.shapeways.com/product/PPBCLJCX8/roevac-roof-vents-4mm-v1-150-pieces?option=9102267&etId=166374344&utm_source=automated-contact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=payment-received&utm_content=4

This has coincided with the free shipping deal at Shapeways - valid for the next 3 days.

 

More pics will follow as soon as possible.

 

Cheers,

Mick

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Hi Mick

 

I'm looking forward to see what you do for this NMT project. I thought your original one was great. I imagine with more modern tooling and three D printing, this one will be even better.

 

Stephen

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You've done well there Mick........you lost me at Roevac  :laugh:

 

Hi Adrian,

Roevac is a vent on top. They are fitted to quite a lot of stock.

 

The Hornby model is fitted with the large rectangular plenum box. You can see both types of vent here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7599678486/in/photolist-czykDq-SNwsMN-q9tb8A-VXeRTt-dT2VWs-WbHnSt-USpvKU-opAwuP-W6iYSN-WzSGmy-ojerxr-ojerwp-e3Cd46-4CTQwJ-paGqrt-ebhmb5-VyKVQh-5Z6wir-hwizKg-Uejjdu-iPwfT2-HPNBft-pbdfKh-fHvTk3-osjLi2-USpvyw-USp3CC-W6iZq1-u2vNbe-rrSqT1-bxcEPR-W6iYzU-r7Puao-r7PsGo-SZGavK-pQCMUD-LCRyDd-dRhLSJ-65eAy9-fEx4tN-dRc4gp-dRhnQ7-dJDsUG-DcM48s-oiikrh-fDACs2-fDTg9W-oFaXN6-p4JKyi-64XDuE

 

There are three Roevac vents on the coach on the left.

 

BTW, the above pic is great for other roof detail.

 

Cheers,

Mick

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The NMT project is well underway.

 

977993 and 977994 have identical window layouts. They are ex-TGS vehicles and basically need a half window fitting in place of the last full window (as well as all toilet windows blanked up.

One has been done with Pete Harvey etches and the other cut and shut 

 

Both have the toilet windows blanked by filling them.

 

The window frame is gently cut away with a sharp (i.e. new) blade

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The remains are then scraped using the blade on edge

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Then the window openings are squared off. This makes it easier to fit a blank with squared corners, rather than having to round the corners to fit the hole.

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This one shows the PH window blank fitted. The toilet window has a rectangle of styrene glued in and filled/sanded.

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For the other coach, I cut out a toliet window from a damaged Mk3 shell that I had.

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Cut a similar size hole in the recipient and fit scraps of styrene to mount the  window into

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Fit window

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and fill

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Gently file and sand and a quick dusting of primer

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Just a couple of blemishes to fix

 

More later.

 

Cheers,

Mick

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Looking forward to seeing the NMT done properly!

 

I've restarted doing mine coaching coach by coach as I've decided to do the interior too and can't get the Lima interior out with the laser glaze fitted!

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More work on 977993.

 

A large hole appears in the roof

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And a floor for the well

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Inner sides and ends fitted

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Cut down and a quick dusting of primer

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And pretty much ready for the equipment to be fitted. Ihave also cut back the roof ribs away from the well as per prototype

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In the meantime:

 

975814 requires a few windows to be blanked - done in the same way with shaving off the frame, "squaring the corners" and fitting a blank

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Primer highlights the blemishes. They are scraped to give a key to a bit more filler

 

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And a final sand down, with primer to check

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975814/975985/977984 do not carry the large square chambers - two of them are fitted with the oval shaped Roevac vents (more of those later)

The slot in the ribs is for another vent

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Made from styrene

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975814 also appears to be the only NMT coach to be fitted with vertical handrails on the ends.

 

I was considering replacing all the small handrails on the roof panels, but I experimented with one and once painted black/dark grey, the effect is negligible IMO

 

There are quite a few aerials and other bits on the various roofs - they will be added later

 

Cheers,

Mick

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The two generator coaches 975984 and 977984 have been started.

 

They are both similar in appearance with blanked windows and grilles, but reference to photos is essential to make sure the correct windows are altered.

 

The combined frame and blank is fitted

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Reinforced behind with epoxy resin

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Although PHD have tried to make things a bit easier by combining the frame with the blank, it means that the blank section is extremely thin and prone to flexing, hence the epoxy to keep it in place.

 

I think a better approach would have been similar to the 950 conversion with full thickness etched blanks and separate frames.

 

Filler around the edges

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Although it looks pretty decent

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From another angle, it doesn't look so good.

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Unless the blank is dead level with the body or recessed back by the tiniest amount, it means that the brass has to be filed down to be level with the surrounding body.

 

More filing/sanding/filling.

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Nearly there, but still needs more work.

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The final two frames have been attached

 

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Patience is the key and you'll need plenty of it......

 

Cheers,

Mick

 

 

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Patience, something I don’t have hence why my NMT looks rough close up!

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