peanuts Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 does anyone have any information on the former coal yard at chadderton near oldham layout photos etc i know about the ones in the railways of oldham book looking for more ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I will have a dig around for you Peanuts, I photted it many moons ago (early 80s) as a prospective future layout. Needless to say other projects took precedence! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 I will have a dig around for you Peanuts, I photted it many moons ago (early 80s) as a prospective future layout. Needless to say other projects took precedence! ta mate would be very much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Peanuts, Nothing on the layout of the yard but the pics below were taken in 1985 of the remaining (original) buildings and were used on Arnold's layout 'Tenter Brow' at a later date. HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 The rounded corner brickwork is interesting. The stone pillars to protect the building from carts and wagons are seldom modelled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Would make an interesting shunting layout,, bro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 If i remember rightly the line enters the yard from under a road bridge so would provide a natural scenic break if modelled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 Would make an interesting shunting layout,, bro. thats what im thinking bro but can only find pics off hunt lane bridge looking towards middleton jn . wouldnt need much stock nd locos know it was in use right upto mid eightys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 08 and half a dozen 16 tonners. Deffo one for the scenic types Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 08 and half a dozen 16 tonners. Deffo one for the scenic types could do with finding out what worked it was it an 08 tripped out of Castleton or was it a larger engine 24/5 thinking it may have been run similar to the old target 24 that used to call in at bells wagon works at reddish it would trip out of Dewsnap call at Reddish if required Stockport coal yard then on to Northenden then return back to Dewsnap . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 This may help the motive power issue: I've had a sift through boxes (and boxes) of photographs but can't find the Chaddy ones as I recall they were shots looking up into the yard from Hunt lane bridge and down from Broadway. Information which is not a lot of use though if they have been pitched - it is nearly 30 years since they were taken! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Seem to remember here was an industrial shunted in the yard onwards the end of it operational life which could be seen from Broadway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 31's must have been used occasionally as there is a picture of one at Chadderton in Freight Only Vol. 1. The caption says it was the 7T85 service Sept 2 1985 and HEA's were being used by that time. The picture also shows the small shunter that johnd has mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Devil Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I lived just over the St Herberts playing fields and trips to have a look at the CCD from the waste ground between them were pretty common. I can only remember 08s and 25s working up from Middleton Junction, 24s possibly but I don't have any notes or photos being about 10 at the time! I do remember an industrial loco, but as to what sort..................... Now this might seem a bit strange to others on this thread,and I could be completely wrong, but does the name Powery mean anything to a couple of posters? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 The day I visited the place in 1986 a Class 47 was working the local trip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 ................ Now this might seem a bit strange to others on this thread,and I could be completely wrong, but does the name Powery mean anything to a couple of posters? yes it does and you have spelt it wrong do you know us ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 The day I visited the place in 1986 a Class 47 was working the local trip. dave was the trip consist just wagons for the ccd or were any other vehicles in the consist ? heard tales of the trip sometimes carrying the loaded fuel tanks for newton heath depot to be dropped on way back to manchester ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Devil Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 yes it does and you have spelt it wrong do you know us ? I thought I had, no 'e', Peanuts being 'K' and yes I do know who you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 I thought I had, no 'e', Peanuts being 'K' and yes I do know who you are. sp where do you know us from ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucie37109 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Peanut I went to Radclyffe School on Hunt Lane. From my memory, before the miners’ strike the wagon were mainly HTV hoppers, although photos of 16T wagons show these were used as well. At this point I think they were tripped from Ashbury's but I could be wrong about this. After the miners’ strike the wagons changes exclusively to HBA/HEA air braked hoppers. AS far as I am aware these were loaded in Yorkshire and tripped to Healey Mills. From Healey Mills they ran to Arpley / Walton Old Junction. In the morning there would be an Arpley / Walton Old Junction to Castleton & Heywood speedlink service. The transported engineers wagons to Newton Heath and Castleton. It had a variety of freight wagon going to Standard Wagon at Heywood for service or repair and the HBA/HEA wagons for Chadderton Goods. The speedlink usually (although not exclusively) ran to Castleton and Heywood first and stopped at Middleton Junction on the way back. Most of the time the engineers wagon and wagon heading back from Standard wagon were left in the sidings at Middleton Junction, while the HEA's were propelled up to Chadderton Goods. Occasionally some of the other engineer’s wagons were also propelled up the branch if there were only a few of them. The train would stop by a block just before Hunt Lane Bridge. (It can be seen next to the 08 in the flickr picture). Once they had permission to enter the wagon were usually propelled into the middle siding, with the BR loco crossing the coal drop, which the signs said it wasn't supposed to do. The Industrial Shunter would normally be on the short first siding and empty wagons on the long third siding. Once in the 2nd siding the empties would have their hand brakes released and roll out of the yard, being stopped by the crew once they had passed the 2nd siding. The train engine would then be coupled up to propel the wagons back down the line to Middleton Junction. On some occasion the engine would leave leading the train. The longest train was collected by a 47 which propelled in a brake van and left hauling 14 HEA's with brake defects. They had been collecting in the long 3rd siding for a number of weeks. The industrial shunter, a Thomas Hill (Rolls Royce) Vanguard, would move two or three HEA's at a time over the coal drop. It had no train brake. The train ran from Middleton Junction back to Warrington. They could be seen passing through Manchester Victoria, and usually Middleton Junction again as part of the 6E77/7E77 which called at Healey Mills to drop them off. The last 08 I saw on the line was 08675 which was running late as it was nearly 1pm. I think it was standing in, from either Newton Heath or Castleton, due to a main line engine failure. Most train to Chadderton ran about 8:30am to 10am. The train was usually worked by classes 25 (occasionally in pairs), mainly 31’s, 37’s (Eastfield’s large logo 37022 being one that stands out), 40’s, 45’s and 47’s all being recorded. I once saw a tamper come up the branch, but what its was tamping I'm not sure as there was very little ballast and most of the sleeper were rotten. The "ballast" seemed to be the remains of the L&Y ash ballast. The conditions of the sleepers made you wonder how a heavy class 40 or 45 managed to get to the yard without spreading the rails. Most of my records are for 1985 to 1987 when I left school. I'm not sure when the branch closed but a rail map from 1991 shows it OOU (Out Of Use). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 thank you very much bruce realy appreciated know that it was oou when i was signaling Rochdale in 1990 as Middleton jn west was burned down not long after i started there same night as some muppet went under the bridge at mumps with his tipper raised caused chaos . can remember seeing some HAA in there one morning in the mid 80s from the 59 bus on the way to piccadilly . good veriaty of traction and vehicles for a model getting more interetsed in this by the day need a track plan and more pics now know what you mean about the ash ballast and track spread had a 37 do exactly that in the metalbox sidings at west haugton in 94 whilst at crows nest jn re raddclyffe school managed to do two urban explores there just before it was demolished but unfortunatly after the pikies had made thier mess nice old building Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucie37109 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Here are a couple of images of the Thomas Hill Vanguard at Chadderton Goods This picture shows HEA's on the coal drop after the 1st short siding. This picture shows the shunter on the long 3rd siding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucie37109 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I believe the Warrington to Castleton train that supplied Chadderton Goods also called at Metal Box on some occasions, but I never saw this for myself so I cannot verify it. I will try and post a track plan soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 thank you very much bruce realy appreciated know that it was oou when i was signaling Rochdale in 1990 as Middleton jn west was burned down not long after i started there same night as some muppet went under the bridge at mumps with his tipper raised caused chaos . can remember seeing some HAA in there one morning in the mid 80s from the 59 bus on the way to piccadilly . good veriaty of traction and vehicles for a model getting more interetsed in this by the day need a track plan and more pics now know what you mean about the ash ballast and track spread had a 37 do exactly that in the metalbox sidings at west haugton in 94 whilst at crows nest jn re raddclyffe school managed to do two urban explores there just before it was demolished but unfortunatly after the pikies had made thier mess nice old building You gonna build your own track? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted October 6, 2012 Author Share Posted October 6, 2012 You gonna build your own track? think i may go with smp and kit built points bro dunno if im ready for scratch building track yet think an 08 24/5 40 and a duff may do it for the motive power plus of course the industrial shunter 16t minerals and HAA HBAs maybe a brakevan or two gonna have to be small and portable to fit somewhere in the flat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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