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The National Archives has a plan of Leeds Wellington under reference RAIL 491/640, but I imagine it will be a little early for your purposes, being dated 1868. Also to be found at the NA is 'West Riding of the County of York. City & County Borough of Leeds. Holbeck widening and Whitehall Junction. Sheet No. 2': plan covering an area from Aire Street to the Leeds and Liverpool Canal and showing stations and railway lines. Scale: plan and horizontal sections 1 inch to 2 chains; vertical sections 1 inch to 40 feet. This is dated 1901. Probably of rather more use would be the large scale track plans from the former BR/OPC collection, now held by the NRM under reference 21159 (3 plans). Good luck with Son of Bradfield, and let me know if you are ever short of exhibition operators! (assuming it is destined to be exhibited)

 

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Will you be building the art deco station concourse, which I presume was built in the 1930s? One thing I remember from the early 1960s was a news cinema in the NE corner, which I never visited as we never had enough time between trains when we were travelling from Hull to the Lake District with the church choir - we went on an annual youth hostel walking holiday with the vicar and choir master.

 

I'm really looking forward to seeing more of this project.

 

Best wishes,

 

Ian

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There are a lot of photos and plans in 'Leeds Termini' published by Challenger ISBN 1-899624-27-9 . I well remember using that whenm at the age of 5, we moved house from Chesterfield to Clapham (North Yorks) in 1959 and the porter wheeling our stuff down the ramp from leeds new to the Midland Paltforms. I wasn't happy at the way he handled the box with our cat in it).

 

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Will you be building the art deco station concourse, which I presume was built in the 1930s?

 

Ian

 

Hi Ian, the concourse was built around 1938 as part of the LMS rebuilding and formed the link between "Wellington" and "New" station as it was called before being renamed "City". That was about as far as the "integration" went. It is of course still standing and renovated to its art deco splendour, complete with Macdonalds and Wetherspoons!! I will model it in low relief against the end backscene.

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The National Archives has a plan of Leeds Wellington under reference RAIL 491/640, but I imagine it will be a little early for your purposes, being dated 1868. Also to be found at the NA is 'West Riding of the County of York. City & County Borough of Leeds. Holbeck widening and Whitehall Junction. Sheet No. 2': plan covering an area from Aire Street to the Leeds and Liverpool Canal and showing stations and railway lines. Scale: plan and horizontal sections 1 inch to 2 chains; vertical sections 1 inch to 40 feet. This is dated 1901. Probably of rather more use would be the large scale track plans from the former BR/OPC collection, now held by the NRM under reference 21159 (3 plans). Good luck with Son of Bradfield, and let me know if you are ever short of exhibition operators! (assuming it is destined to be exhibited)

 

Andy

Thanks for the info Andy, you are quite right about some of it being a bit early. The rebuilding and re modelling by the LMS in the 1930's formed the basis of what was left in the 1950's and is what I intend to model. The BR/OPC plans held by the NRM sound like they could be useful and I will try and persue them. There must have been drawings produced for the rebuilding in the thirties, I am told that the LMS drawing office in Manchester would have covered the Leeds area and wonder if the Manchester science Museum may have them or may have passed them to the NRM!! Something else to follow up.

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Thanks for the info Andy, you are quite right about some of it being a bit early. The rebuilding and re modelling by the LMS in the 1930's formed the basis of what was left in the 1950's and is what I intend to model. The BR/OPC plans held by the NRM sound like they could be useful and I will try and persue them. There must have been drawings produced for the rebuilding in the thirties, I am told that the LMS drawing office in Manchester would have covered the Leeds area and wonder if the Manchester science Museum may have them or may have passed them to the NRM!! Something else to follow up.

 

Manchester County Record Office has the following:

 

 

LMS - Leeds Wellington Station - Demolition of existing buildings and making up new deck A/LNW/1/156 1935

minus.gif LMS - Leeds Wellington Station - Re-inforcing concrete decking A/LNW/1/157 1936

minus.gif LMS - Leeds Wellington /City Station - Roof details - Parcels Office A/LNW/1/158 1934-46

minus.gif LMS - Leeds Wellington - Plans showing new building line to existing buildings A/LNW/1/159 1936-7

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Parcels office - New doors A/LNW/1/160 1935-6

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - New concourse - details A/LNW/1/161 1935

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Waiting and refreshment rooms Details A/LNW/1/162 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Ironmongery and door furniture A/LNW/1/163 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building details A/LNW/1/164 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building details A/LNW/1/165 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building details A/LNW/1/166 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building details A/LNW/1/167 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building details A/LNW/1/168 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Concourse - Showcases etc. A/LNW/1/169 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building - layout A/LNW/1/170 1937

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building - windows A/LNW/1/171 1937-8

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Concourse & platform details A/LNW/1/172 1937-8

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Concourse and station offices - details and layout A/LNW/1/173 1938

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Concourse and entrance A/LNW/1/174 1938

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Offices A/LNW/1/175 1936-8

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building - details A/LNW/1/176 1938

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building - details A/LNW/1/177 1938

minus.gif LMS - Leeds City - Station - Office building - details A/LNW/1/178 1937-8

Sounds like some of these may be what you are looking for

 

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Leeds City North (Wellington) - son of Bradfield! Otherwise known as 'Bradfield on Steroids'!

 

The Laird has a winter 1962/3 working time table which will form the basis for the planned sequence. We're also fortunate in being able to access the London Midland Region Midland Lines Passenger Train Marshalling book for 10th September 1962 to 16th June 1963 (or until further notice) via a scan on Robert Carrolls excellent BRCoachingStock Yahoo group, found HERE

 

Whilst this only covers trains travelling south of Chesterfield on the Midland Main Line, it gives us almost all the Class 1 train formations, the only exceptions being the Leeds-Glasgow working and its return train, and the Leeds - Morecambe/Carnforth services. Several of the class 2 Leeds-Sheffield trains were also steam hauled at this time. Published photographs (in print and on t'internet) are being scrutinised to give us the actual formations for the period concerned.

 

As well as Leeds Terminii, the recent Book Law publication on Leeds City is useful, whist several books in the Bellcode series on the railways of West & South Yorkshire are an invaluable resource.

 

We're slowly figuring out how the station was worked but more information on this subject, and details of which platforms were served by the arrivals and departures throughout the 24 hour period would be more than useful.

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Got some time on Tuesday night, I'll scan my material then (how much I get done in the first attack will depend how easy the scans are)

 

Edit - I've just won the Leeds 1967 resignalling notice, which may be of interest.

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Some of Donald Binn's many books may be of use as they show the trains further north and the one about the Little North Western has many photos of the Morecambe trains. There is one of his older ones called IIRC Railways in Airedale that covers the line out of Leeds. I can't remember the exact formations accurately but do remember meeting myt brother at Giggleswick on his way home from school with a 2P hauled trian. I'll also look in my father's trainspotting diaries for those dates and see if there are any locos recorded that would be of use.

 

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Some of Donald Binn's many books may be of use as they show the trains further north and the one about the Little North Western has many photos of the Morecambe trains. There is one of his older ones called IIRC Railways in Airedale that covers the line out of Leeds. I can't remember the exact formations accurately but do remember meeting myt brother at Giggleswick on his way home from school with a 2P hauled trian. I'll also look in my father's trainspotting diaries for those dates and see if there are any locos recorded that would be of use.

 

Jamie

 

Thanks Jamie, that would be good of you.

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A few more references from the database, this time from the Ken Hoole Study Centre at Darlington:

 

 

Perspective East Yorkshire: Journal Of The York And East Yorkshire Architectural Society. May, June 1966. Railways: Sunderland; North East Region; Leeds City; Wakefield Westgate; Gateshead; Selby; Harrogate; Durham; Billingham; Berwick.

KH.219

 

Ministry Of Transport. Railway Accident. Report On The Collision Which Occurred On 10th August 1961 At Leeds City Station In The North Eastern Region British Railways.

KH.3447

 

Railway Views. Leeds (East - West).

KH.937

 

British Railways - North Eastern Operating Area. Carriage Working From 18th June, To 9th September, 1962. Br. 31261/1.

KH.2673

 

British Railways - North Eastern Operating Area. Hours Of Opening Of Signal Boxes; Leeds Operating District. 4th. April, 1960 Until Further Notice. X.

KH.2643

 

British Railways - North Eastern Region. Working Timetable Of Passenger Trains. Llth. September 1961 To 17th. June 1962.

KH.2189

 

Westinghouse Brake & Sig. Co. Electro-pneumatic points and colour signal operation, Leeds New. 1937

JFM/5837

 

Leeds Wellington Goods Yard. Diagram 53, altered to 240, April 1919, revised December 1938. Diagram only

JFM/7000/209

 

Leeds Wellington Goods Yard. Diagram 53A, altered to 240, December 1925, revised December 1938. Table only

JFM/7000/210

 

Front Sheet of 'Leeds New Station. Extension and Enlargement of Station, New Approach Road, Stopping up of Existing Road. Plans & Sections.' 1873 - 1874

NERA 1418-34-02 Digital format only

 

Plan and Sections of Leeds New Station. Scales: Horizontal, ? Chains to one inch. Vertical, ? Feet to an inch. '1873 – 1874

NERA 1418-34-03 Digital format only

 

Plan of Wellington Station. Scale: ? Chains to one inch. 1873 - 1874

NERA 1418-34-04 Digital format only

 

Plan and Section of Wellington Station. Scales: Horizontal. ? Chains to one inch. Vertical. ? Feet to one inch. 1873 - 1874

NERA 1418-34-05 Digital format only

 

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And finally, for today anyway :stinker:, a few more references:

 

 

Midland Railway Study Centre

 

12373

24 February 1888

 

Architect's Office drawing of Proposed Alteration to Drainage at Leeds Station. Shows plan and utilisation of rooms on platform building and location of adjacent Queens Hotel.

 

National Archives

 

RAIL 1135/105

1938

 

London and North Eastern and London Midland and Scottish Railways. Leeds City Station West and East Boxes

 

RAIL 431/38

1933-6

 

Queen's Hotel Leeds, Wellington Station: proposed re-building

 

RAIL 1057/2738

1936

 

Laying of Foundation Stones of Office and Hotel Buildings at Leeds (Wellington) Station, 7 Oct. 1936. Site plan enclosed

 

Off to listen to Jim Connor talk about the North London Railway now....

 

Andy

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