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1 hour ago, LNER4479 said:

 

Tell me about it ...

 

 

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Are you sure those  pipes are the correct size in the correct position??:jester:

 

Baz

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4 hours ago, 30368 said:

Worth the effort I'm sure tbg, and I can recommend Michael Edge's tender etches. Good luck with the build.

 

Tony,

 

Can I ask a small favour? I have secondhand (very) Pro-scale V2 and A4 kits to build. Unlike the similar A3 kit that I purchased from you (CRUK) it does not have any instructions. Can anyone supply a scanned copy of either or both instructions?

 

Many thanks,

 

Richard B

 

Good evening Richard,

 

I don't have instructions for a Pro-Scale V2, but I do have those for the A4.

 

I'll photocopy them for you. Please PM me with your address again (I've filed all the recent stuff away). 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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8 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Are you sure those  pipes are the correct size in the correct position??:jester:

 

Baz

They're not pipes, they're the Phosphor Bronze pick-ups :D

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3 hours ago, jwealleans said:

 

Tin hats on again, everyone!

 

We've been here before, more than once.  

 

 

 

 

Should it come to an urgent need for stretcher bearers, I'll be out cycling, with my phone turned off...

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Very nice models indeed.

 

The L&Y is an oft forgotten railway. The Highflyers ran through and around Wigan on the Pemberton loop line with non stop Liverpool - Manchester expresses in competition with the CLC & LNWR routes back at the turn of the 20th century

The loop line I saw from Mum & Dads bedroom window - alas just a goods line back in the 60's).

 

Highflers on Walkden station & water troughs on the 4 track Hindley to Manchester line - there is talk of converting this line to a tram line !! - How have the mighty fallen !!

 

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In 1884 Hoy moved to the L&YR, becoming an outdoor assistant in the locomotive department under Barton Wright in Manchester; he was promoted to works manager a year later. In 1886 Hoy was made works manager at the L&YR's new works at Horwich. Hoy died in 1910

 

Nigel Gresley began his engineering apprenticeship in 1893 under Francis Webb at the Crewe locomotive works, London and North Western Railway. Subsequently he was a pupil of John Aspinall of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway at Horwich, near Bolton; he then became an assistant manager at their carriage workshops at Newton Heath, Manchester, in 1901, and works manager in the following year. In 1904 Gresley was appointed assistant carriage and wagon superintendent of the L&YR, and, in 1905, he transferred to the Great Northern Railway in Doncaster as carriage and wagon superintendent. 

 

I wonder what (if any) influence his time at Horwich had on Mr Gresley ?

 

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2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

 

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I'd neither seen nor heard of this loco, a Hoy 2-6-2T (I'd never heard of Hoy). Scratch-built, of course; no kit available for the likes of this. Could this be considered one of the worst-looking locos of all time? Apparently, they weren't brilliant in service, and the LMS scrapped them not long after it was formed. 

 

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Another scratch-build in the form of this ex-L&Y 0-8-4T.

 

With the 0-8-2T, it's almost as if they were challenged to beat their own record for ugliness (and may have won). 

 

There is an engineering adage that if it looks right, it is right.  The experience of the L&YR shows clearly that the opposite also applies.

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2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Friend Bob Wood popped over today.

 

Bringing with him a most-interesting selection of locos he's built..........................

 

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A K's C1,

Tony I think the C1 is the WSM kit not Ks. The coal rails on the tender were the initial give away until I looked more closely. They look the same as those on the tender of my WSM J6. For which I've recently started to build a new tender using the upper body - well sides and back minus coal rails from a Ks C1. I'm using a Mainly Trains tender chassis and outer resin frames from Graeme King. It will need a scratchbuilt front and forward part of the top plus coal rails.

I'll show pictures in due course.

Agree with comment above the 2-4-2T is Cotswold/ Sutherland - I have the later NuCast version.

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7 hours ago, 30368 said:

Worth the effort I'm sure tbg, and I can recommend Michael Edge's tender etches. Good luck with the build.

 

Tony,

 

Can I ask a small favour? I have secondhand (very) Pro-scale V2 and A4 kits to build. Unlike the similar A3 kit that I purchased from you (CRUK) it does not have any instructions. Can anyone supply a scanned copy of either or both instructions?

 

Many thanks,

 

Richard B

 

Please PM me your email. I have a set of instructions in the box of an unbuilt Proscale V2 I can scan.

Andrew

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12 minutes ago, jrg1 said:

Could we have a description of the work involved, please?

Sorry - someone must have lost the instructions so we're just figuring it out as we go along. There'll probably be a few spare washers and an odd handrail knob left over when it's finished.

 

(apologies in advance if you were after a sensible answer)

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31 minutes ago, LNER4479 said:

Sorry - someone must have lost the instructions so we're just figuring it out as we go along. There'll probably be a few spare washers and an odd handrail knob left over when it's finished.

 

(apologies in advance if you were after a sensible answer)

Sounds like Tony's approach to kit building. Mine's not far off either these days.

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6 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

Sorry - someone must have lost the instructions so we're just figuring it out as we go along. There'll probably be a few spare washers and an odd handrail knob left over when it's finished.

 

(apologies in advance if you were after a sensible answer)

What glues are you using?

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2 hours ago, jrg1 said:

What glues are you using?

 

I don't know for sure, but I think it may be some type of 'weld' bond (J-B Weld perhaps?). Anyway, I'm sitting 'bolt' upright and absolutely 'riveted' to that 12inch to the foot scale build! :jester:

 

Graham, did that particular P2 kit come with wheels and a motor?

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9 hours ago, Woodcock29 said:

Tony I think the C1 is the WSM kit not Ks. The coal rails on the tender were the initial give away until I looked more closely. They look the same as those on the tender of my WSM J6. For which I've recently started to build a new tender using the upper body - well sides and back minus coal rails from a Ks C1. I'm using a Mainly Trains tender chassis and outer resin frames from Graeme King. It will need a scratchbuilt front and forward part of the top plus coal rails.

I'll show pictures in due course.

Agree with comment above the 2-4-2T is Cotswold/ Sutherland - I have the later NuCast version.

Andrew

Thanks Andrew,

 

I was going on Bob's description. It certainly has that 'quality' look of a WSM kit. He's a better man than I if it is. I gave up on the WSM C1 I tried to build decades ago, building a K's one instead. Like Bob, I had to fit smaller-than-scale bogie wheels (with the right number of spokes, however) to get clearance behind the cylinders (something I didn't need to do with a DJH example). 

 

I have a complete WSM N1 kit (and some parts for another). I offered it to Bob yesterday, but he declined. Anyone interested in it, please PM me. £25.00 will secure it; all proceeds to CRUK. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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8 hours ago, queensquare said:

My soft spot for pre-group eight coupled locos is well known. I got a lot of stick at the club whilst building this L&Y 0-8-0 but I rather like them - though even I have to admit they are pig ugly!

 

Jerry

 

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The L&Y had a few contenders for the ugly prize when it came to loco design but my winner is the large boiler 0-8-0 as you have there. Malcolm Crawley built one for Tickhill and Wadworth and we ran it with a GCR example (best known as a Q4) and an NER type (later a Q5). The L&Y one was the worst looking by a mile. It had no redeeming features whatsoever.

 

I do have a kit for one in 3mm scale stashed away, just in case I finish all my other projects and still have some eyesight and skill in the tank.

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13 hours ago, APOLLO said:

Very nice models indeed.

 

The L&Y is an oft forgotten railway. The Highflyers ran through and around Wigan on the Pemberton loop line with non stop Liverpool - Manchester expresses in competition with the CLC & LNWR routes back at the turn of the 20th century

The loop line I saw from Mum & Dads bedroom window - alas just a goods line back in the 60's).

 

Highflers on Walkden station & water troughs on the 4 track Hindley to Manchester line - there is talk of converting this line to a tram line !! - How have the mighty fallen !!

 

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In 1884 Hoy moved to the L&YR, becoming an outdoor assistant in the locomotive department under Barton Wright in Manchester; he was promoted to works manager a year later. In 1886 Hoy was made works manager at the L&YR's new works at Horwich. Hoy died in 1910

 

Nigel Gresley began his engineering apprenticeship in 1893 under Francis Webb at the Crewe locomotive works, London and North Western Railway. Subsequently he was a pupil of John Aspinall of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway at Horwich, near Bolton; he then became an assistant manager at their carriage workshops at Newton Heath, Manchester, in 1901, and works manager in the following year. In 1904 Gresley was appointed assistant carriage and wagon superintendent of the L&YR, and, in 1905, he transferred to the Great Northern Railway in Doncaster as carriage and wagon superintendent. 

 

I wonder what (if any) influence his time at Horwich had on Mr Gresley ?

 

Brit15

 

I once had, in my sticky little mitts, a handwritten letter from John Aspinall to his former "pupil" congratulating him on the announcement of his knighthood. There was clearly great affection between them. The letter suggested that Gresley should talk to the people organising the ceremony to make sure that he ended up as Sir Nigel rather than Sir Herbert, as Nigel was his middle name.

 

I recall the letter wasn't addressed to "Nigel" or to "Herbert" but to a name that was adopted by friends and family of Gresley. I can't recall what it was but it was a name like Henry or George. The letter ended up in the archives of, I think, the GNRS so may have been published in their magazine.

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Regarding the L & Y Hoy 2-6-2T, I'm sure I've read that they were originally built with flangeless (centre) driving wheels, but suffered with derailments in consequence. Were they then altered to have flanges all round?

 

Surely that kit built (glued?) C1 above cries out to at least have the joints between the cab roof and the side-sheets filled and blended? A smooth wrap-over look is absolutely fundamental to the Stirlings, Ivatt and earlier Gresley cabs, along with one or two others.

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Many years ago my father found a book on a second hand book stall. It is "The principles of mechanics" by T M Goodeve, dated 1891

 

What is interesting is not really the book, but what was stuck on the fly leaf just inside. Here is a (poor quality unfortunately) scan.

 

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Brit15

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