RMweb Premium Crepello Posted February 12, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2014 A couple of predictions NO Stanier 8F- despite a good amount of commonality with the WD it isn't in the OO range. NO K3- Bachmann's reps have been falling over themselves at shows to tell me it is their worst seller in OO NO class 52- Dapol's is too recent. As to what WILL be announced- I'm happy to wait and see. All the very best Les Nor is the Merchant Navy--yet! (in OO.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 As I've just bought an old Duchess for my first loco 'kit' to re-body as a streamlined duchess I'm expecting one to be announced! Holding out for an L&Y pug Would like LMS TPO and buffet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunnan Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'd expect the shrink ray to reach some of Bachmanns recent releases, so a 'C' isn't beyond the realms of possibility this year now that the 4F is imminent, especially given the foaming at the mouth that the SECR livery example commanded. After seeing their 4F I would love to see the 3F done to the same standard, although I'm more than happy with the existing UM model after a bit of work and Bachmann do shy away from repetition of existing models. With the tender basically there I wouldn't be surprised to see the 7F at some point, and a return to the GF stable of the Compound would be most welcome. Thompson coaches are pretty much a nailed on cert being as the other 3 regions are covered, if not all yet available, but the Hawksworths ongoing development will probably push any thought of Thompsons to next year more than this year thinking realistically about it. Portholes and/or P2 LMS coaches would do me nicely though if the shrink ray wanted to look that way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I had a look through the most recent catalogue in the model shop on the way home tonight, the choice of LMS covered wagons is so slim on the ground it's daft - every other region looks catered for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 ??? I don't really understand your point - the Farish Mk 3 SLE/P uses the same body as the rest of their Mk 3s so is no better or worse than any other Farisk Mk 3. What detail is missing on a slab-sided reasonably flush-glazed Mk 3 with printed body sides? As a compromise I actually prefer it I just prefer the Dapol not because I think newer is always better though. As with the Farish Mk3 I dont like that fact both models have HST style roof vents. No one model is better than the other on this score. I like the disc brake wheel inserts and the sharp paint finish of the Dapol - the disc brakes being a really nice finishing touch to the bogies and look so much better for them. Also the Dapols are light bar ready and have a more premium feel to them overall IMO. The Farish Mk3 may have flusher sides (zero relief I call it ) but another downside is the complete lack of any interior detail (although this is not nearly as important on the sleeper versions). I'd still like to see a Dapol sleeper and no doubt they will get round to completing the Mk3 family in the coming years. There is a fair few liveries that could be covered too. Edited - I forgot to add. The Dapol models also have the footsteps on them and a choice of couplings too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I'm sticking with the "no 8F" for another reason. It would take sales away from the WD. Despite the UM model I'd think an LNWR 0-8-0 would be a better prospect, as would an S&DJR 7F. None of these three is relevant to my needs. However a J21 would be another matter..... All the very best Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I'm sticking with the "no 8F" for another reason. It would take sales away from the WD. Despite the UM model I'd think an LNWR 0-8-0 would be a better prospect, as would an S&DJR 7F. None of these three is relevant to my needs. However a J21 would be another matter..... All the very best Les Hi Les Around the margins it may steal a few WD sales it is true, but I still do wonder if it is on the cards, it is a big class covering a long operational period and pretty widely distributed across the LMS network and further in BR days. Can they afford to let Dapol have a sniff of it? Personally it would be lower on my shopping list than a lot of other prototypes, but I think a G2 or S&D 7F are unlikely, the first actually because of the well established UM model (Although admittedly this did not stop the J39) the second because it is just too "niche" for the smaller N market. Sure collectors will love them and some will buy and apply "Rule 1" regardless but will enough? Nope looking at the current 00 range, factoring in the new coreless motor loco-drive with the possibilities that brings and a Fowler tender by then being available and I predict a Crab (A pretty popular model) and/or a Patriot - untested in N it is true but popular enough in 00). Regards Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulprice Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I think a Patriot is on the cards, and I think it wont belong before we see Jubilees with fowler tenders. and possibly an original scot, just like mainline they had in their range....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted February 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2014 When will Bachmann reveal the 14-15 programme? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted February 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2014 When will Bachmann reveal the 14-15 programme?July, apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Shame, I was hoping they might make some announcements at Ally Pally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Hi Les Around the margins it may steal a few WD sales it is true, but I still do wonder if it is on the cards, it is a big class covering a long operational period and pretty widely distributed across the LMS network and further in BR days. Can they afford to let Dapol have a sniff of it? Regards Roy Looking at the reduced prices that the WD can be purchased for- lucky me as I needed another- I'm not sure that it is a strong enough seller to have home-grown competition ranged against it. I may be wrong, however (even though I don't need a third WD unless sound fitted and the 8F is wrong for my area). Anyway, we'll know soon enough- and if NOT announced this year, given that DJM Dave is announcing his second tranche of locos the day after Bachmann announce next year's programme, is it just Dapol that might be looking that way? Personally I think neither Dapol nor DJM are looking at the 8F, each for different reasons, though that is a gut feeling guess with NO inside info in either case. All the very best Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulprice Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Where are all these bargain WD hiding? I can just about justify adding one to my Pre-Nat layout, but the best price I have seen them for is around the £80 mark, yes I am a typical tight fisted Northerner I keep missing out on cut price 8F's too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreamnos Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Where are all these bargain WD hiding? I can just about justify adding one to my Pre-Nat layout, but the best price I have seen them for is around the £80 mark, yes I am a typical tight fisted Northerner I keep missing out on cut price 8F's too Around £80 IS the bargain price and I think Hattons is currently selling them for that. When the WDs were initially introduced the best price you could find was around £98, and more for the weathered variant. Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Where are all these bargain WD hiding? I can just about justify adding one to my Pre-Nat layout, but the best price I have seen them for is around the £80 mark, yes I am a typical tight fisted Northerner I keep missing out on cut price 8F's too Hi Paul As Matt says, when you look at the list price of the WD, it being discounted to £79 at all is an absolutely crazy bargain already and realistically I doubt you will ever see it significantly cheaper brand new! It is a quality loco and in my opinion not to be missed at this price (So, erm,...actually I didn't!). As to where to find them - at Hattons just as one example that comes easily to hand (no connection - just a long standing customer!). http://www.ehattons.com/38963/Graham_Farish_372_426_Class_WD_Austerity_2_8_0_90566_in_BR_black_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx Regards Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulprice Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Chaps I agree I just have to put my hands in my pockets and spend some cash, especially as Hattons is only 20 minutes away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two_sugars Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 AW go on. . . . . Gizza Q6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulprice Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I want a Stannier Mogul, if its good enough for 00 its nearly good enough for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMay Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Here's another--what about a Princess Royal? Strangely ignored in N so far. Must be some shared parts with the Duchess. Several liveries, fairly high profile. I'm up for a green one and a maroon one. The tender, or at least the later 4000 gallon 10 ton tenders, yes. They key parts though, no. There are some similarities with the GWR King class, especially in the front end and 6'6" driver size, but not so much at the rear. The similarities are due to Stanier being an ex-GWR man and specifying an outline for what he was familiar with. However, the King's coupled wheelbase is 8'+ 8'3" the Princess's is 8'+7'3". This is because in the King the 3rd set of drivers support the firebox, whereas in the Princess they've been moved forward a foot to allow for a larger firebox that is supported by the addition of a pony truck. The Princess also has outside Walschaerts valve gear, whereas the King's is a weird GWR arrangement of internalised Walschaerts with rocking links to the outside cylinders. The Coronation class has an ever more compact set of larger 6'9" drivers, arranged 7'3"+7'3". So basically, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted February 18, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2014 The tender, or at least the later 4000 gallon 10 ton tenders, yes. They key parts though, no. There are some similarities with the GWR King class, especially in the front end and 6'6" driver size, but not so much at the rear. The similarities are due to Stanier being an ex-GWR man and specifying an outline for what he was familiar with. However, the King's coupled wheelbase is 8'+ 8'3" the Princess's is 8'+7'3". This is because in the King the 3rd set of drivers support the firebox, whereas in the Princess they've been moved forward a foot to allow for a larger firebox that is supported by the addition of a pony truck. The Princess also has outside Walschaerts valve gear, whereas the King's is a weird GWR arrangement of internalised Walschaerts with rocking links to the outside cylinders. The Coronation class has an ever more compact set of larger 6'9" drivers, arranged 7'3"+7'3". So basically, no. Thanks for that clarification Tony; I knew of the King connection but you've pointed out differences I hadn't appreciated. Both the Princesses and the Kings must be candidates for N gauge at some stage surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Thanks for that clarification Tony; I knew of the King connection but you've pointed out differences I hadn't appreciated. Both the Princesses and the Kings must be candidates for N gauge at some stage surely? Farish did a King (I think it was the last new Poole model if memory serves). It just about made it into Bachmann's product range,post-takeover I think, but it hasn't been around for a number of years as far as I know. The "Lizzie" on the other hand has never been available RTR. Both would probably be popular choices but given the Castle and Duchess are already in the pipeline, I suspect neither will appear anytime soon. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 AW go on. . . . . Gizza Q6 I have a gut feeling, mind it is ONLY a gut feeling, that if a Q6 is to come from anywhere it might come from a manufacturer somewhat nearer to Binns Road, and in more than one scale. I will repeat- GUT FEELING ONLY- and I also think I'm more likely to be disappointed than welcoming one onto Hawthorn Dene any time soon. All the very best Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted February 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2014 AW go on. . . . . Gizza Q6 Part way through building a Q6 from the superb Bob Jones kit from his Fencehouses stable. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two_sugars Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I have a gut feeling, mind it is ONLY a gut feeling, that if a Q6 is to come from anywhere it might come from a manufacturer somewhat nearer to Binns Road, and in more than one scale. I will repeat- GUT FEELING ONLY- and I also think I'm more likely to be disappointed than welcoming one onto Hawthorn Dene any time soon. All the very best Les Would be perfect for Hawthorn Dene, Les Remember them coming out of the collieries when I were a lad. . . Part way through building a Q6 from the superb Bob Jones kit from his Fencehouses stable. Jerry I nearly bought one but chickened out. . . need to build up my skills first . . . . . . . . John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2014 Would be perfect for Hawthorn Dene, Les Remember them coming out of the collieries when I were a lad. . . I nearly bought one but chickened out. . . need to build up my skills first . . . . . . . . John They are not the simplest kit but are extremely well designed. Everything fits as it should and they are a joy to build, I would highly recommend one of Bobs kits to anyone with a bit of experience under their belt. Not really feasible for N gauge either due to the lack of wheels. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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