Popular Post avonside1563 Posted March 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2014 I thought it worth a mention here that the North Staffordshire Railway Rolling Stock Trust, based on the Foxfield Railway, have received back the second NSR coach to be restored at Stangate Restorations thanks to much fund raising on the part of the trust. This now means that the chance to take a ride in genuine North Staffordshire Railway passenger vehicles will be possible later this year once both vehicles have had the final minor works carried out and acceptance trials. NSR No.061 on arrival back at Caverswall Road Station on 12th March 2014 EDIT: Link to the Trust website http://www.knottycoachtrust.org.uk/ 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avonside1563 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2014 And here's sister vehicle No.127 which arrived back last year 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted March 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2014 Superb! Is one of them even on its original underframe? So many carriages of this period have been restored on modern frames but that top one looks as though it may be the "real deal" Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Is 127 fitted with continuous brakes? I can't see any pipes. I shall take a drive along the A50 to Blythe Bridge when they are in service. They look wonderfully archaic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2mm Andy Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think the underframe on NSR 61 is a Midland underframe with timber headstocks and solebar covers http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=11232 Superb restoration work - I've been following it on the Stanegate Restorations photo website; http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312383/album/502127 http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312383/album/402585 Andy . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Both underframes are new to the bodies and are both steel with cosmetic wooden solebars and headstocks fitted. 127 has a shortened 13T Pipe Wagon chassis (B741715) and 061 has a lengthened underframe from a MR 4 wheeled passenger rated 12T van. Both are vacuum fitted and suitable for passenger service. More information on the coaches and the NSRRT can be found at http://www.knottycoachtrust.org.uk/news.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted March 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2014 I think that No 61 has the edge in looks because of those lovely carriage sized spoked wheels. It really does look for all the world as if it could be an original underframe with just the brakes upgraded to modern standards. I am not sure if the carriages originally had spoked or wooden disc wheels but those look just great. The wagon sized three hole disc wheels on No 127 are a bit of a give away that it has some more modern components underneath! 99% of people probably wouldn't ever notice and having a vehicle running like that is a million times better than not having it running at all. As for the quality of the livery, all I can say is gorgeous! They are both superb examples of restoration and the folk involved deserve much praise and credit. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 As originally built they would have had Mansell wooden centred wheels so 127 is probably nearer and would be easier to have them recreated over the disc wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Just read the link - it's good to hear that these will be kept inside a shed when not in use so they won't deteriorate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 There's a pair sitting next to Rudyard Lake, not in the best of condition! Link. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 There's not a lot there left to restore is there Paul? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Nothing at all! Great find though. Rudyard Lake was owned by the NSR and promoted as a leisure destination, so its logical that a couple of cast-off NSR coaches would find their way there to be used as chalets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted March 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2014 Dave Scragg & the team at Foxfield deserve every credit for these rebuilds Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 Apparently the NSRRST are aware of the Rudyard bodies and think they may be NSR 1st's. There are plans afoot that may involve some form of rescue if at all possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Wow they are beautiful and it’s obvious they done every thing they can to give them period looking under frames. One question there are lots of coach bodies up and down the country some in preservation some still in private use but with the rapid run down of rail freight in the last forty or so years and the demise of the type of wagon providing under frames and wheel sets are we going o see a time when it become unviable to restore these bodies as the under frames are no longer available? has preservation missed the boat on this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 Good question Londontram, Foxfield already has suitable underframes for the other two wooden bodied coaches it has - which are an ex Midland Railway luggage/1st/3rd and an ex Midland Railway bogie 3rd - and the NSRRST have got a long term plan to bring these under their wing. However I would imagine there are plenty of other bodies without underframes at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted April 20, 2014 Author Share Posted April 20, 2014 Apparently the NSRRST are aware of the Rudyard bodies and think they may be NSR 1st's. There are plans afoot that may involve some form of rescue if at all possible. Apparently I was incorrect in this post and the trust weren't previously aware of these bodies. However they have since inspected the two bodies, spoken to the owner and will be recovering them to foxfield soon with the aim of restoring the better preserved body and conserving the other. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Apparently I was incorrect in this post and the trust weren't previously aware of these bodies. However they have since inspected the two bodies, spoken to the owner and will be recovering them to foxfield soon with the aim of restoring the better preserved body and conserving the other. Good grief! When I found them I honestly thought that they were far beyond saving! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted April 20, 2014 Author Share Posted April 20, 2014 It seems the vehicles were built using jigs and panels so it is an easy case of replicating a new panel to the same dimensions as an exisitng one, so as long as there is enough of the original material that is re-usable then a rebuild is very much possible. A further possible NSR coach has since come to light also and this is being looked at, it appears that the publicity from the restoration of the first two vehicles is prompting the awareness of what else might be around. I wonder how many vehicles the train could end up consisting of......! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 There ought to be a link between the existing coach and the rebuild, otherwise all you're doing is cloning 1:1 scale models (a phrase borrowed from the Tornado haters). But exactly how much is open to debate, there may not be anything worth salvaging, and the birth of the "rebuild" would only come about through the certain death of the original. If it was a vintage aircraft, you'd only have to include just one piece of the original in order for it to be classed as a rebuild and be able to keep the same registration. But building a reproduction would be a lot harder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 As with all such items there is always debate as to what is a restoration/Rebuild as distinct from a replica/new build. Much of the two restored coaches is new but they are still seen as restorations. As long as there is a substantial part of the original vehicle then I would feel fine classifying them as restored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 The first public operating date for the coaches has been announced as the 9th August 2014. So if you're interested in coming along to Foxfield for a trip in the newly restored NSR coaches pop that date in your diary. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durango dave Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 It's great to see these coaches restored,,, and i wonder if the relics found at the lakeside will be restore able,,, certainly many restored coaches have roofs and floors replaced and have to have frames found for them And most have little or no interior,, but the framework looks to be mostly there for one of them,,, and Maby the doors are on the ground,,, I wonder if they do start to restore the better of the two,,,,, would the poorer coach become the basis for the brake vehicle recreation the group wants,,,,, as unless the other possible recently discovered coach is one then there is none available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Details on the first public weekend for the Knotty coaches can be found here http://foxfieldrailway.co.uk/event_article.php?Saturday-9th-Sunday-10th-August-2014-45 Limited tickets available so book early if you want to ride. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 Latest news from the NSRRST is that agreement has been reached with the North Staffordshire Railway Co (1978) for the Trust to undertake the restoration of NSR No.28. More info available via the Foxfield Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/FoxfieldRailway 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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